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wuck
05-16-2009, 12:19 PM
nba.com came out with a piece on Ferry.

Just 4.5 days till Game 1. :thumbup:


<div><img src="http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/2009/news/features/john_schuhmann/05/16/ferry.cavs/p1_ferry-051609.jpg" width="608" height="262" alt="p1_ferry-051609.jpg" style="margin:0px;" border="0"></div><div id="nbaWidePicText">David Liam Kyle/NBAE/Getty Images</div><div id="nbaWideArticle"><h1 class="nbaStoryH1">Twenty years later, Ferry is finally paying off for Cavs</h1><p class="nbaStoryByLine"><strong> By <a href="http://my.nba.com/profile.jspa?userID=400001439">John Schuhmann, NBA.com</a></strong><br/>Posted May 16 2009 11:21AM</p><div class="nbaStoryText"><p>In November of 1989, the Cleveland Cavaliers traded star guard Ron Harper, along with two first-round picks, to the Los Angeles Clippers for journeyman Reggie Williams and the draft rights to Danny Ferry, who L.A. had selected with the second pick of the '89 NBA Draft.<p>After an illustrious college career at Duke, Ferry had decided he didn't want to be a Clipper and had gone to Rome to play. And even though he was traded to Cleveland early in the 1989-90 season, Ferry spent the rest of the year in the Italian League. At the time of the trade, Cavs general manager Wayne Embry compared Ferry to Larry Bird, who the Celtics drafted a year before he left Indiana State, and told Cleveland fans that Ferry &quot;would be worth the wait.&quot;</p> <p>The wait was just 15 years longer than Embry expected. Ferry played 10 solid but unspectacular seasons for the Cavs, never living up to the expectations put on him as a college star and No. 2 pick. But since being hired as general manager in 2005, he has made a real mark on the organization.</p><p>When he took over for Jim Paxson, Ferry had LeBron James, Mike Brown (who was hired as head coach a few weeks before him) and not much else. Zydrunas Ilgauskas, a former teammate of Ferry's, was a free agent that summer. The Cavs had come one game short of the Playoffs in each of James' first two seasons, and hadn't been to the postseason since 1998.</p><p>&quot;We had to be aggressive in turning the culture around here,&quot; Ferry told NBA Entertainment on Thursday.</p><p>The Cavs' roster lacked the pieces to a championship puzzle at the time, but Ferry and Brown had a lot of cap space and a championship philosophy from Day 1, having both spent time in the Spurs organization. Ferry finished his playing career in San Antonio and immediately moved into the front office, where he worked with R.C. Buford and Gregg Popovich for two seasons.</p><p>&quot;Being able to learn as a player and a front office person [in San Antonio] was incredible,&quot; Ferry said, &quot;and was really invaluable for me here in Cleveland.&quot;</p><p>Ferry's first priority that initial summer with the Cavs was re-signing Ilgauskas, and he used the cap space to sign Larry Hughes (after trying for Michael Redd), Damon Jones and Donyell Marshall. All of the above helped the Cavs win 50 games in each of the next two seasons and reach The Finals that second year, where they were swept by Ferry's former employer.</p><p>&quot;We felt like it was really important, Mike and I did, that we started winning right away,&quot; Ferry said. &quot;And we were fortunate to be able to go out and start that right away.&quot;</p><p>The culture had changed, the Cavs were winning and they were doing it the right way. They used the Spurs as their inspiration, but they also forged their own identity.</p><p>&quot;Mike is different than Pop,&quot; Ferry said, &quot;LeBron's different than Tim [Duncan]. We're a different organization. We have a lot of the same principles, but organizationally, just the personality of who we are and what we're doing, is different.&quot;</p><p>In the third season, Ferry decided to shake things up. He made a three-team, 11-player trade that shipped Hughes, Marshall and Drew Gooden out of town just eight months after the franchise's first trip to The Finals, and brought Joe Smith, Wally Szczerbiak, Ben Wallace and Delonte West to Cleveland.</p><p>&quot;We were starting to lose the identity that we wanted to have from a defensive standpoint and a lot of other areas,&quot; Ferry explained. &quot;That trade was the first step in changing that. And I think it was the first step in getting this team in the direction that it's in right now.&quot;</p><p>The Cavs suffered some growing pains after the trade, but still took the eventual champion Celtics to the final minute of the seventh game in the Eastern Conference semifinals last May.</p><p>Three months later, Ferry orchestrated another three-team deal that may just have put his team over the top. He traded Smith and Jones to bring in Mo Williams, his most important acquisition to date. And Smith eventually returned to Cleveland after being bought out by Oklahoma City, so the Cavs essentially got Williams for a guy who played 108 total minutes this season.</p><p>With the collective bargaining agreement rules the way they are, trades with other GMs who are looking out for their own best interests are difficult to make in today's NBA. For every deal that gets made, there are a dozen other rumors that never go through. Yet Ferry's best work with the Cavs has been done in making trades.</p><p>Now, his team is four wins away from a return to The Finals. If the Cavs make it, they will certainly have more success than they did two years ago.</p><p>And while the rest of the league has been clearing cap space in case James chooses to leave Cleveland in 2010, Ferry has quietly given the MVP a better supporting cast and team chemistry than he's likely to find elsewhere.</p><p>&quot;It's a group that works, and likes to work,&quot; Ferry said. &quot;And that's been a big key for their success.&quot;</p><p>He hopes that the success doesn't stop here. The Cavs won 66 games in the regular season and are the first team to have swept through the first two rounds of the Playoffs since the 2005 Miami Heat, but none of that will mean anything if they don't get eight more wins.</p><p>&quot;The hard part's in front of us still,&quot; Ferry said. &quot;I think it's really important that this group has the mindset of 'We've got to get better.' We have to continue to get better every day.</p><p>&quot;If we have that mindset and we really live it, I think good things can happen.&quot;
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RchfldCavRaised
05-16-2009, 01:45 PM
Ferry, get away from that interviewer and do some damn work.

Jeez

When he's not sitting on his hands, he's somewhere reflecting on being the quite possibly the best GM in the league!

Good job Ferry. I feel totally confident in you moving into these next two CRUCIAL years.

Wulfgar1224
05-16-2009, 02:11 PM
Has Ferry really been that good as a GM? I think his track record is mixed. He was given plenty of cap space in the summer of 05 and squandered it on Hughes, Marshall, DJ, etc. He did make a good trade with the Wally, Delonte, and Ben deal. Obviously, stealing Mo from the Bucks was terrific. As for his draft record, that is mixed also. Shannon Brown flamed out here. Gibson is having a terrible year and Hickson is still a question mark. So, on balance, Ferry has done better lately. But, he has to really rally to get out from his disastrous start here.

David
05-16-2009, 02:28 PM
Has Ferry really been that good as a GM? I think his track record is mixed. He was given plenty of cap space in the summer of 05 and squandered it on Hughes, Marshall, DJ, etc. He did make a good trade with the Wally, Delonte, and Ben deal. Obviously, stealing Mo from the Bucks was terrific. As for his draft record, that is mixed also. Shannon Brown flamed out here. Gibson is having a terrible year and Hickson is still a question mark. So, on balance, Ferry has done better lately. But, he has to really rally to get out from his disastrous start here.

Larry Hughes was a great player till he came here.
Gibson is a good player, He's just been injured this year...
Shannon Brown looks to be doing pretty decent in LA right now.
Hickson has a big summer and it's still too early.


Seriously, Try and talk trade with Ferry, You'll lose you house/family/cars and the clothes off your back.

The man is an ace.

Kypus
05-16-2009, 02:35 PM
Some people forget that to take 2 steps forward you sometimes have to take a step back, or make a lateral move. Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshall and Damon Jones were this type of player.

The 11-player trade was an EPIC move by Ferry. I mean, freaking EPIC. This can't be overstated! Dumping our trash that didn't believe in the defensive system for solid defensive role players.

Shannon Brown may not have worked out, but Boobie will come back around. David Wesley lost his legs/shot with no prior indications, but was a needed signing at the time.

Ferry has made some solid cheap veteran FA signings in Alan Henderson, Devin Brown, and now Joe Smith. The guy knows his stuff, knows chemistry. He knows what role pieces Pop wanted around the Duncan/Parker/Ginobli triumvirate. Ferry isn't a fast-dealing shark or anything, but he knows when to ignore the "white noise" coming from the fans and media around trade deadline. Dude probably unplugs his TV and radio, puts his paper on hold while he goes down into a secret underground bunker war room.

"FERRY STILL SITTING ON HIS HANDS"- LMAO!

MoFlo
05-16-2009, 02:43 PM
Has Ferry really been that good as a GM? I think his track record is mixed. He was given plenty of cap space in the summer of 05 and squandered it on Hughes, Marshall, DJ, etc. He did make a good trade with the Wally, Delonte, and Ben deal. Obviously, stealing Mo from the Bucks was terrific. As for his draft record, that is mixed also. Shannon Brown flamed out here. Gibson is having a terrible year and Hickson is still a question mark. So, on balance, Ferry has done better lately. But, he has to really rally to get out from his disastrous start here.

-Hughes was a 3rd option.. After Allen & Redd re-signed for more money (nothing he could do about that), he needed the next best option, which, unfortunately just didn't work out.

-Re-signing Z was obvious

-DJ & Marshall, at the time, were both coming off solid seasons (and, in DJ's case, the best year of his career).. now, you certainly can question the contracts they got, but he signed 2 guys that (at the time) could hit the 3.

-The trades speak for themselves

-Shannon Brown, I think we all can agree, didn't fit in our system.

-Boobie has had 1 inconsistent season (I can't even say it was a bad season.. the 23% shooting from 3's in November brought his #s down a ton) out of 3, I'd say that's still a success, especially for a 2nd round pick.

-And I'm sure we also all can agree that Hickson has tons of talent, and with him still being so young, it's hard to judge him yet, obviously, but we needed a young athletic big, and he certainly is that.

Paddington
05-16-2009, 03:00 PM
Alot of props need to go to Dan Gilbert for allowing Ferry to dip into the luxury tax threshold to improve the team. Ferry would never have been able to swing that blockbuster trade in March 08' without an owner willing to spend. We've currently got the 3rd largest payroll in the NBA with Ben Wallace who plays 10-12 minutes/game earning a ridiculous $14.5 million/year. Then Wally with his $13 million contract. Not alot of owners would have taken these guys on to improve the team, but Gilbert did.

Then again, no owner or GM has a player like LeBron James on his roster either...

Trill Cosby
05-16-2009, 03:09 PM
Ferry, get away from that interviewer and do some damn work.

Jeez


LOL word, fire that bum


*chants We Want Isiah*

Out of the Rafters at the Q
05-16-2009, 03:23 PM
Are people seriously still bashing Danny Ferry?

We had a clear goal for the identity of this team, which is all you can ask for from a sports franchise. He then went out and executed this goal. We surrounded the best player in the world with enough pieces to be the best team in the NBA just four years after he took over a team that didn't even make the playoffs.

For a more detailed look, let's examine each move Ferry has made:

1) Re-signing Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Has been the second best player on this team every year up until Mo challenged him for that spot this year. He's hard working, 7'3", and is a major reason why we've consistently been one of the top rebounding teams in the league. His ability to shoot from range has opened up the floor for LeBron and has proven to be a huge asset against elite paint-clogging centers. We also signed him for probably slightly less than what market value would have been. His number will be hanging in the rafters in a few years. Re-signing Z was a terrific move.

2) Free agency '05. Our team just missed the playoffs by one game the past two seasons. It was clear that LeBron's talents on offense were driving to the basket, and passing. However, we were near the bottom of the league for the past two years in three point shooting. We had the cash to sign that star second player. Michael Redd and Ray Allen were Danny's first two targets, but both re-signed with their teams for more money than we could offer. Joe Johnson's price was something we just didn't have the firepower to pull off. So, that left Larry Hughes, who was coming off a stellar year in Washington. While Larry may not have worked out here, the uproar would have been even greater if Ferry didn't sign anyone. Damon Jones and Donyell Marshall were the top two three point threats available in free agency, and Ferry gobbled them both up. While each has their flaws, they each contributed in their time here. Marshall actually had one of the higher +/- on the team, and was a solid rebounder, even if his shot wasn't as good as it used to be earlier on. So, while it was true that the free agency class of '05 didn't directly give us the pieces to that championship puzzle, it did lead us to the NBA Finals, giving our organization valuable experience and a taste of the success that we all wanted. It also gave Ferry the ammunition to pull off the blockbuster trade of 2008.

3) Ferry's draft record. Shannon Brown, Daniel Gibson, J.J. Hickson and Darnell Jackson are the significant players Ferry has drafted since he's been here (do you really want to count Sasha Kaun and Ejike Ugboaju?). It was clear in the 2006 draft that we needed a PG on our roster. We felt like we needed a PG who could defend and shoot the three. Personally I was yelling at the TV when we selected Shannon Brown because the player I wanted, that had slipped to us, Daniel Gibson, was still on the board. However, picking Boobie up in the second round was phenomenal. By guaranteeing Gibson we'd be drafting him, it allowed Ferry to get the PG prospect we wanted, and an athletic SG who people were touting at the time as one of the steals of the draft. Brown had the raw (emphasis on RAW) talent to be a player in the NBA, but unfortunately never really put it together. However, his athleticism turned out to be an asset when Ferry pulled off the 2008 blockbuster trade. Gibson was a steal in the second round and, while he hasn't developed traditional point guard skills, was our second best player in the playoffs of 2006-2007 and helped us get to the finals. This year nagging injuries set him back. Hopefully he rebounds for us next year.

J.J. Hickson is another potential steal in the draft. At #19 you're not supposed to be able to draft potential stud big men. However, by taking a gamble on a Freshman out of NC State, Danny Ferry gave us exactly what we needed from last year's draft- a young big man who has more potential than we could have hoped for. Heck, it was either him, Darrell Arthur, or Kosta Koufos. While I wanted Koufos at the time, it has quickly become apparent that Hickson was the best pick at our position. Darnell Jackson is another steal of the draft. A late second round pick who turns out to be a very serviceable big off the bench. You couldn't ask for much more.

Through our extremely limited picks (thanks Paxson) Ferry has hit on 3/4. Sure we all wish that Shannon Brown panned out, but I'll take a potential quality starting PF, a solid backup PF for the next 10 years, and Gibson's lights out shooting (assuming this year was a fluke due to injury) any day of the week. Not to mention, Jackson and Boobie have fit in PERFECTLY with the chemistry of this team- a reason why we're so good.

4) Ferry's trades: Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshall, Shannon Brown, Cedric Simmons, Drew Gooden, and Ira Newble. Is there one player of that bunch that you'd want on this team now? Not really. For our garbage, we got Ben Wallace, who has turned out to be a great defensive leader on this team, and brought that toughness we were lacking. We also got a PG we had been coveting for a few years in Delonte West... who then shocked most of us by becoming a terrific starting SG on this team, and a player who has been absolutely crucial to our success this year. Joe Smith, in both stints here, has been a terrific veteran big off the bench. Finally, Wally's contract was supposed to be a huge asset this deadline, but his play has been alright for us, bringing some much needed muscle and outside shooting. Then throw in the Mo Williams deal, and Ferry's batting 1.000 when it comes to making deals. Oh yeah, don't forget the guy who helped push us into the playoffs in 2005-2006, Flip Murray... who we traded Mike Wilks for.

So, before you begin trashing Ferry, look at his track record. Even the best GM's have misses. Ferry has had a vision for the team that is consistent with Mike Brown's. He has stuck to that vision and surrounded LeBron with the pieces to be the best team in the NBA, and most likely keep him in Cleveland. Personally, I'll be toasting to Danny Ferry at the parade in June.

davoor
05-16-2009, 04:23 PM
Ferry should seriously be the best GM this season!!!

Trill Cosby
05-16-2009, 04:24 PM
Are people seriously still bashing Danny Ferry?

So, before you begin trashing Ferry, look at his track record. Even the best GM's have misses. Ferry has had a vision for the team that is consistent with Mike Brown's. He has stuck to that vision and surrounded LeBron with the pieces to be the best team in the NBA, and most likely keep him in Cleveland. Personally, I'll be toasting to Danny Ferry at the parade in June.


^post of the month candidate

kardiak
05-16-2009, 04:26 PM
The man just can't "multitask". :chuckles:

Vindicate2
05-16-2009, 04:59 PM
Everytime I see an article like this, I end up asking about what could have been in the late 80's and ealy 90's....

1.) Would Ferry have been more productive if he didn't have knee problems/surgery in 1990-1991 ?

2.) If Price doesn't tear his ACL 1990-1991, could he have been an even better player in his prime? Would he have a longer career? (ACL surgeries back then were not routine)

3.) If Steve Kerr doesn't rip up his knee in the World Basketball Championship, how good could he have been?

Guess we'll never know...

Out of the Rafters at the Q
05-16-2009, 05:18 PM
^post of the month candidate

Haha, thanks. I had some time on my hands sitting in Newark airport waiting for my flight to Paris.

camakazee
05-16-2009, 05:21 PM
Haha, thanks. I had some time on my hands sitting in Newark airport waiting for my flight to Paris.

Ah, I had almost forgotten that you were going to Paris and would be abandoning our beloved Cavaliers :mad:


:chuckles: Just kidding, enjoy the trip.