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TJ Detweiler
05-14-2010, 12:09 AM
You have received criticism about you being a businessman before Basketball, a choker, etc.

I would just like to thank you on my behalf for the seven years of your life you have poured into Cleveland. We have been lucky thusfar to see you play for a Cleveland sports team, as you may have noticed this never happens to us, when you leave/if you will be remembered for our lifetimes for what once was or what could be.

This is the start of your new legacy LeBron.

Cleveland Cavaliers or not I want to thank for for everything, you made the Cavs a hell of alot better to watch.

Triumph36
05-14-2010, 12:10 AM
With the way he went out, he doesn't deserve a thank you from any Clevelander. He deserves a fuck you.

Mevins31
05-14-2010, 12:11 AM
I feel like he's gone, and I'm gonna be sick.

Shakezoula
05-14-2010, 12:12 AM
The way I look at it, he made basketball fun for 7 years. I respect that.

But if he leaves, he makes basketball hell here for the next 10+. Can't forgive that.

InBoobieWeTrust
05-14-2010, 12:12 AM
If you leave, which I think you're doing, after essentially throwing games 2 and 5, fuck you and good fucking riddance.

Showmeyourbolt
05-14-2010, 12:13 AM
If he leaves, I will never stop booing him whenever I see him at an NBA game.

CHIMOCHIS
05-14-2010, 12:14 AM
I just have a thought of how things would of been with a good coach.

But if he leaves, like I said before, fuck him and his mothafuckin momma

Backstage
05-14-2010, 12:15 AM
More like:

Thank You, Dan Gilbert, for pouring money into this rundown town to give its people life and hope.

And to Danny Ferry, who made the best moves he thought he could, turning straw into gold, and giving us a team that didn't start Eric Snow.

And to Z, for truly being the heart of this team, even if he was no longer the talent.

And to Glen for putting the thought, time, effort, money, everything into getting this site and that banner up, and of course all the mods and admins who supported such an act.

And to Skip Bayless. Naw, I'm kidding. Fuck you, Skip.

Primetime
05-14-2010, 12:15 AM
Let's call this what it is.

Williams is a terrible PG especially on defense, Parker is an old bench player at best starting, Jamsion is a soft player who cant play D and has no heart. Shaq a shell of himself and also not that great on D. The bench is erratic and MB is an assistant at best masking as a head coach.

To top it all off Lebron wasn't himself so there you have it.

mixman
05-14-2010, 12:15 AM
Honestly, I would rather not care about CLE basketball ever then invest my soul into it for 7 years all for nothing.

Cleveland, where even blessings are a curse!

Rick Astley
05-14-2010, 12:16 AM
If he leaves, I will never stop booing him whenever I see him at an NBA game.



This is what you call conditional love. Whether he leaves for another team or not, I will thank him for the things that he has done. I respect the dude for life.

MJA1080
05-14-2010, 12:16 AM
Per Windy:
#LeBron: "I want to win, that is my only concern. It is all about winning for me and I think the #Cavs are committed to do that."

TheNewEra
05-14-2010, 12:17 AM
Cleveland sports is gonna be sad and depressed for a long time now. If LeBron leaves, when he comes back to Cleveland for a game, that is gonna be some crazy shit. NBA probally wont even let him play, it will be endangering his life.

Rick Astley
05-14-2010, 12:17 AM
More like:

Thank You, Dan Gilbert, for pouring money into this rundown town to give its people life and hope.

And to Danny Ferry, who made the best moves he thought he could, turning straw into gold, and giving us a team that didn't start Eric Snow.

And to Z, for truly being the heart of this team, even if he was no longer the talent.

And to Glen for putting the thought, time, effort, money, everything into getting this site and that banner up, and of course all the mods and admins who supported such an act.

And to Skip Bayless. Naw, I'm kidding. Fuck you, Skip.



You still gotta thank LeBron no matter what. But where's Mike Brown's thanks? :chuckles:

En_Fhan
05-14-2010, 12:18 AM
You have received criticism about you being a businessman before Basketball, a choker, etc.

I would just like to thank you on my behalf for the seven years of your life you have poured into Cleveland. We have been lucky thusfar to see you play for a Cleveland sports team, as you may have noticed this never happens to us, when you leave/if you will be remembered for our lifetimes for what once was or what could be.

This is the start of your new legacy LeBron.

Cleveland Cavaliers or not I want to thank for for everything, you made the Cavs a hell of alot better to watch.

disgusting..

kookoo
05-14-2010, 12:19 AM
I have mixed feelings about this. He gave his heart and soul to this team for 7 years, and it was an amazing run. The thing that I don't like is that the organization has shown they are willing to do anything for him. If he wants to win, if he wants to be the storybook athlete, he should stay here. I don't really see the benefit of him leaving. His whole life is in Akron, he doesn't know if any other team will treat him the same way.

Real Deal
05-14-2010, 12:19 AM
I believe LeBron was put here for a reason... Cleveland doesn't win in lottery's for nothing now.. We were set up to do something special with this hometown boy wonder LeBron James.

If he leaves, he will have a major injury, or something really bad will happen to this man. I believe in karma and karma is such a bitch.

JJIsTheKing
05-14-2010, 12:21 AM
If he goes to NYC - fuck him.

If he goes to Chicago, I'll be pissed, but I won't hate him. Because I honestly believe they give him a better shot at winning than Cleveland does. We have a ton of great role players, but sometimes you need a legit #2 to win. In my opinion, Rose and Noah become the best teammates he's ever had.

Mevins31
05-14-2010, 12:21 AM
I believe LeBron was put here for a reason... Cleveland doesn't win in lottery's for nothing now.. We were set up to do something special with this hometown boy wonder LeBron James.

If he leaves, he will have a major injury, or something really bad will happen to this man. I believe in karma and karma is such a bitch.

I agree... its all fate.

But the Devil, and Jay-z are tempting him

Wine & Gold Fvr
05-14-2010, 12:22 AM
I have thought about him leaving for the past year and I thought that I would remain a Lebron James fan. I can't say that I agree at this point.

I do thank Lebron for the past 7 years. However, I cannot say that I will remain a fan when or if (most likely when) he leaves.

It has truly been a pleasure to watch him play. But, I am really disappointed in his performance over the past week and feel that it was part of his plan that his team wanted to execute.

GilbertIsGod
05-14-2010, 12:23 AM
Thank him? We gotta wait for like 15 years till his career with Cavs is over to thank him for EVERYTHING he'll be done by then

jay_em
05-14-2010, 12:24 AM
You have received criticism about you being a businessman before Basketball, a choker, etc.

I would just like to thank you on my behalf for the seven years of your life you have poured into Cleveland. We have been lucky thusfar to see you play for a Cleveland sports team, as you may have noticed this never happens to us, when you leave/if you will be remembered for our lifetimes for what once was or what could be.

This is the start of your new legacy LeBron.

Cleveland Cavaliers or not I want to thank for for everything, you made the Cavs a hell of alot better to watch.

APPLAUSE

Shakezoula
05-14-2010, 12:24 AM
I would have no problem with the Cavs losing this series if it was clear to me that Lebron (and the cast) showed heart.

It was clear, despite the box score, that Lebron's head was not in the game. Those that don't believe me, rewatch the game. In the 2nd half he was standing around... in the 4th quarter outside of those 2 3's he essentially let Mo Williams handle the ball. When Lebron did get the ball, he turned it over or did nothing. He quit on Mike Brown. It's one thing to do it mid-season, but to pull that trash midway through the playoffs... that's just plain immature. He essentially said "i've had enough" in terms of carrying/willing the Cavs to victory. Legends don't do that. If he doesn't learn it in the next 2-3 years, he probably won't learn it ever.

He did not play up to his talent this series, and for that I can't respect him. His teammates let him down, Mike Brown let him down, but superstars do not quit. He did.

TJ Detweiler
05-14-2010, 12:26 AM
I'm sorry but are you guys serious. Sure I know if he leaves he will be the next Art Model but have a mature outlook on it, he gave his heart and soul to the Cavs(despite what we may think as of late.) He wanted to win a championship as much as we do, businessman first? Basketball is 1. This is what got LeBron to this point.

Backstage
05-14-2010, 12:27 AM
You still gotta thank LeBron no matter what. But where's Mike Brown's thanks? :chuckles:

Troof, and I'll thank LeBron when I know what to thank him for: his time here, or his future here.

I couldn't find time to substitute in my thanks to Mike Brown because I thought my thanks to Danny Ferry had a better spark.

InBoobieWeTrust
05-14-2010, 12:28 AM
he gave his heart and soul to the Cavs(despite what we may think as of late.)

When we needed his heart and soul most, THIS SERIES...it was nowhere to be found.

Mevins31
05-14-2010, 12:28 AM
He'll definitely win a title guys... no doubt about it. But it won't be here. The clock has run out on time again in Cleveland. All we have left are memories again, and remember them or treasure them how you want.

But it will be told someday by your grandchildren and mine about the days that King James walked the streets of Cleveland and the Witnesses sign that stood on the big building across from the Q. To think we lived such a life in such a place, and we did see such events. I guess there is a part of me that realizes its pretty special.

KCOTT
05-14-2010, 12:29 AM
i feel like the timing of this thread is slightly early

Shakezoula
05-14-2010, 12:29 AM
When we needed his heart and soul most, THIS SERIES...it was nowhere to be found.

Yep. Nothing more can be said. He quit.

Mevins31
05-14-2010, 12:35 AM
I'm so sad man. I can't believe it.

Is this how people felt the night of the drive? The night of the fumble? What's this gonna be called?

'The Exit'?

demondeacs13
05-14-2010, 12:36 AM
Honest question - would you give him a pass for this series if it was intended to get rid of Mike Brown so that he'd be here for another 3+ years?

I am disgusted with his attitude during this series and I can't believe that he would do that, but if it was true and he ends up staying and we find a much better coach, I think I'd give him that pass.

This season is done with. Hate his effort or not, we don't have anything to show for it. At least 3 more years of having a chance to win a title with LeBron trumps all other scenarios in my book.

If he leaves, though, after all this...then yes, count me in for the good riddance brigade.

A Minnow Frenzy
05-14-2010, 12:38 AM
He'll definitely win a title guys... no doubt about it. But it won't be here. The clock has run out on time again in Cleveland. All we have left are memories again, and remember them or treasure them how you want.

But it will be told someday by your grandchildren and mine about the days that King James walked the streets of Cleveland and the Witnesses sign that stood on the big building across from the Q. To think we lived such a life in such a place, and we did see such events. I guess there is a part of me that realizes its pretty special.

Well, he stopped the clock about a month short. Can't thank him for that, but if he does leave, then thanks for showing me that you can't build a house on sinking sand. I can never trust an athlete ever again.

Shakezoula
05-14-2010, 12:40 AM
Honest question - would you give him a pass for this series if it was intended to get rid of Mike Brown so that he'd be here for another 3+ years?

Honest response: He has the power within this organization to have won the championship this year and still have gotten Mike Brown fired. That couldn't have been his reasoning.

mrwillnixon
05-14-2010, 12:43 AM
Do you guys realize he had a triple double tonight? Some people are insane saying that he quit, he had a f**cking trip-dub. Jesus, after reading some of this stuff, if I was LeBron I'd probably highly consider leaving too.

Though on the other side of the coin, he almost had a quadruple double, if only he had picked up one more turnover. :thumbdown

One thing to take solace in, I really feel that if the Celtics continue the way they've played in the playoffs so far, they have a very good chance of winning it all. He may have lost against the best team in the playoffs right now.

dacoop2
05-14-2010, 12:43 AM
I'm going to reserve comment until
A) I sober up
B) More facts come out about what actually went on during this series

As it stands right now I've lost a ton of respect for him, and don't believe someone who acts like him will ever win a championship. But I reserve the right to change my opinion in a couple days once I sober up and calm down after this debacle.

MDLT
05-14-2010, 12:44 AM
Only in Cleveland, would you tell a player good riddance after putting up 27, 19, and 10, in combination with the best career of anyone under the age of 25.

Seriously, some of you are showing your true colors. Its beyond the pale. I hope someone is keeping tabs.

steveo
05-14-2010, 12:45 AM
The last thing we need at this point is people to be pointing the finger at Lebron with undeserved critism. If theres anyone on this team that doesn't deserve blame for how he has played his entire career, 7yrs. Teams filled with lackluster talent, horrible coaching, Irrational and desperate late season trades, bringing in cogs that didn't fit, overpaying those cogs that didn't fit immensely, just to hope get that marginal talent upgrade to put us over top.

We have all kinds of silly, irrational, desperate, illogical behaivor going on. Undue name calling. You name. You guys should be ashamed. Who would really want to play for fans that are so rude, sellf-deserving, so quick to point the blaim.

If anyone here actually thinks the Cleveland Cavaliers would be a better team without Lebron James. You need to just stop thinking. We as fans, as a community, and a team have strived for 7 years now since we got this ultra talented local kid, to keep him here.

Now we have someone put up disgustingly obsene stats and gets called out saying he doesn't have enough heart, or is tanking a game because of an above average amount of turnovers when he is relied upon every possession to create something out of nothing. And an all-time top defensive team keys in on you the entire series, forcing him to give the ball up to other players, who quite frankly did not get it done.

This is not Lebrons fault, and his loyalty to this city and organization hinges on how we will continue to support him, as well as provide him with the best any organization can offer.

Creating any sort of divide between the fanbase based on opinions and Lebron can do no good at this point what so ever.

I vote we, as a community here put an end to this hatred, and get rid of these posters, who add nothing positive to the situation, and are spewing hatred needlessly in the wrong directions.

dacoop2
05-14-2010, 12:47 AM
Yo, wanna see my fucking Bobby Sura Cavs jersey?

Read what Windy had to say about LeBron. Disengaged in huddles. Disengaged during the court. You expect people not to be upset? Come on, dude.

AanandM7
05-14-2010, 12:47 AM
If Lebron turns his back on this city, we'd be even more of an embarrassment than people see us as now. I don't care if he can pull a lionel richie and dance on the ceiling, the impact of lebron leaving would unfairly make cleveland a bigger laughingstock. I would never be able to thank him for anyrthing

KilgoreTrout
05-14-2010, 12:47 AM
I appreciate the last 7 years as much as the next guy, but I don't understand how an elite athlete - a competitor - can just decide that he doesn't care about winning anymore. That he's willing to put off his dream of a championship. Jordan is his idol, and Jordan hated losing more than anything. If you are going to learn one thing from Jordan, that would have to be it...

Shakezoula
05-14-2010, 12:47 AM
Only in Cleveland, would you tell a player good riddance after putting up 27, 19, and 10, in combination with the best career of anyone under the age of 25.

Seriously, some of you are showing your true colors. Its beyond the pale. I hope someone is keeping tabs.

His help D was awful, he had 9 turnovers, he stood around the perimeter when he didn't have the ball...

You know how I knew officially when he had given up? When Rondo was streaking down the court with only Mo Williams in front of him. Lebron was about 2-3 strides behind. Everyone in the room had that "Here comes the chasedown" look. Instead, Lebron just jogged in, Rondo took an essentially uncontested layup, and Boston continued to build their lead.

Lord Mar
05-14-2010, 12:51 AM
Free speech is long gone in socialist America.

FIRE ZI MISILES! :chuckles:

InBoobieWeTrust
05-14-2010, 12:52 AM
Only in Cleveland, would you tell a player good riddance after putting up 27, 19, and 10, in combination with the best career of anyone under the age of 25.

Seriously, some of you are showing your true colors. Its beyond the pale.

Let's completely ignore him basically throwing games 2 and 5, on our home floor, where 20,562 people paid good money to see the team they love play hard. The two games that really decided this series.

LeBron gave effort tonight, I will say that, though his turnovers really murdered us, he played hard. I can't say that about game 5 or game 2. He gave up in those games, he didn't try. In game 4 he played a very subpar game, but I could live with it because I expected one or two of them.

Game 2 and mainly game 5 is where he deserves a good riddance. If he decides he has a mission, that he himself didn't do enough to accomplish, and takes responsibility for being a GIGANTIC part in not accomplishing that, and stays...then I have no problems with him. But if he leaves after dogging it like he did in two very critical junctures of this series, he doesn't deserve any thanks or praise and anything he does in his career deserves an asterisk next to it with what he did in this series. If that's his response to having a ridiculous payroll for a team with our market stature, if that's his response to having such devoted and loyal fans over the last 7 years, to fuck us over and then leave, then fuck him...it shows HIS true colors.

If we went out like we did last year, went out fighting with a herculean effort from the guy the entire series, and found out that we just weren't good enough....then I wouldn't quite be able to blame him for leaving...but to go out like we did this series, where a good portion of the blame rests on HIS SHOULDERS(not all, but a good portion), and then leave..that would be Vince Carter-esque. That would reek Tracy McGrady. That would smell of cowardice. That would be the mark of a loser, a traitor even. Good riddance to that.

GoGetta
05-14-2010, 12:53 AM
LeBron will sign a 3 yr extension... mike brown will be gone... if we dont win in that 3 year span then LeBron is GONE.

MDLT
05-14-2010, 12:55 AM
Let's completely ignore him basically throwing games 2 and 5, on our home floor, where 20,562 people paid good money to see the team they love play hard. The two games that really decided this series.

LeBron gave effort tonight, I will say that, though his turnovers really murdered us, he played hard. I can't say that about game 5 or game 2. He gave up in those games, he didn't try. In game 4 he played a very subpar game, but I could live with it because I expected one or two of them.

Game 2 and mainly game 5 is where he deserves a good riddance. If he decides he has a mission, that he himself didn't do enough to accomplish, and takes responsibility for being a GIGANTIC part in not accomplishing that, and stays...then I have no problems with him. But if he leaves after dogging it like he did in two very critical junctures of this series, he doesn't deserve any thanks or praise and anything he does in his career deserves an asterisk next to it with what he did in this series. If that's his response to having a ridiculous payroll for a team with our market stature, if that's his response to having such devoted and loyal fans over the last 7 years, to fuck us over and then leave, then fuck him...it shows HIS true colors.

If we went out like we did last year, went out fighting with a herculean effort from the guy the entire series, and found out that we just weren't good enough....then I wouldn't quite be able to blame him for leaving...but to go out like we did this series, where a good portion of the blame rests on HIS SHOULDERS(not all, but a good portion), and then leave..that would be Vince Carter-esque. That would reek Tracy McGrady. That would smell of cowardice. That would be the mark of a loser, a traitor even. Good riddance to that.

Ridiculous......absolutely ridiculous.

Real Deal
05-14-2010, 12:58 AM
Watch More Than A Game... Something told me LeBron wouldn't give up on his goals after that ... I HOPE HE DOESNT LEAVE. But its so scary right now.

demondeacs13
05-14-2010, 12:59 AM
Only in Cleveland, would you tell a player good riddance after putting up 27, 19, and 10, in combination with the best career of anyone under the age of 25.

Seriously, some of you are showing your true colors. Its beyond the pale. I hope someone is keeping tabs.

9 ridiculous turnovers - 4 in the 4th quarter.

38% shooting.

Again, you can choose to be blinded by the triple double. That's fine.

The bottom line is that, once again, he backed off during crunch time after completely not showing up in multiple games in this series.

If you expect the supporting cast to step up and atone for LBJ's lack of aggression then I don't know what to tell you. They just aren't capable of doing that. The entire team is built about an aggressive LeBron. Take his assertiveness away and we aren't that good of a team.

futuristxen
05-14-2010, 01:00 AM
I can't say a guy who got almost 20 rebounds from the small forward position quit on the team. It looked like he played as well as he could, but he couldn't get his shot going and the Celtics played great defense on him. And then no one on the Cavs stepped up to help him besides Mo in the first half.

As for him staying or going, why should he stay? He can lose in the second round in New York just as easily.

This team just has no game winners on it to go with Lebron. We really should have dealt for Amare. Especially since Mike was going to stop playing Hickson in the playoffs.

christb
05-14-2010, 01:01 AM
Thank you Lebron, for making me a basketball fan. I didn't really care for the sport until we drafted you in 2003. I watched you play and grew to appreciate this beautiful game. I can now safely say I like it more than football and its close to beating my love of baseball. I owe that to you. If you leave, I will be upset. I will boo you after this performance. But, I will always respect what you did for us, and for me. Thank you.

MDLT
05-14-2010, 01:01 AM
9 ridiculous turnovers - 4 in the 4th quarter.

38% shooting.

Again, you can choose to be blinded by the triple double. That's fine.

The bottom line is that, once again, he backed off during crunch time after completely not showing up in multiple games in this series.

If you expect the supporting cast to step up and atone for LBJ's lack of aggression then I don't know what to tell you. They just aren't capable of doing that. The entire team is built about an aggressive LeBron. Take his assertiveness away and we aren't that good of a team.

9 turnovers, 38%. After all that he's done for basketball and sports in NE Ohio, and that's your argument? Toss in the fact that he's legimately hurt?

Jesus, man.

InBoobieWeTrust
05-14-2010, 01:02 AM
We really should have dealt for Amare.

We tried, really really hard actually. We tried really really hard to trade for him, but Phoenix just never accepted the offer. Get over it.

KI4MVP
05-14-2010, 01:02 AM
27/19/10 in a playoff game has happened just 1 time since 1991 (as far back as I can search) and that was tonight. yet some want to continue with the absurd theory that LeBron quit tonight. Does everyone totally forget that he's injured or that Boston is a tough defensive team? Does everyone forget the plays they triple teamed him?

His previous career playoff high for rebounds was 14.

demondeacs13
05-14-2010, 01:13 AM
9 turnovers, 38%. After all that he's done for basketball and sports in NE Ohio, and that's your argument? Toss in the fact that he's legimately hurt?

Jesus, man.

Legitimately hurt? It's a fucking bruised elbow. Bitch about it some more. Use it as an excuse. I can tell you one thing, though. Real warriors don't let injuries way worse than that affect their drive to win. That's a fact. I wouldn't have cared if he went down swinging...but he didn't. It's obvious. I'm not so much pissed at his effort tonight as I was in the two home games that we lost. Those were a complete atrocity.

The injury didn't keep him from trying to win in this series. His attitude did. If you can't see that something else is going on behind the scenes other than his "injury" then I don't know what to tell you.

I just know that I've lost some respect for LeBron in this past week. I appreciate everything he's done for this city but if he bails after a few of the ridiculous efforts he gave in this series then I won't have any admiration left for him.

Jon
05-14-2010, 01:17 AM
27/19/10 in a playoff game has happened just 1 time since 1991 (as far back as I can search) and that was tonight. yet some want to continue with the absurd theory that LeBron quit tonight. Does everyone totally forget that he's injured or that Boston is a tough defensive team? Does everyone forget the plays they triple teamed him?

His previous career playoff high for rebounds was 14.

I was weirdly hoping he'd get the quadruple double just so he could set one more Cleveland record.

Yes, he's playing hurt. It's so obvious. His head isn't where it should be, and while that can be explained by 50000 conspiracy theories, it can also be explained by extreme disappointment that he's physically unable to deliver for his team the way they need him to deliver.

Thank you LeBron, thank you Mike Brown, thank you Danny Ferry, thank you to all the players and everyone in the organization for all the hard work and endless hours you've put in to what was a very successful season.

61 wins.

A central division banner.

The best record in the NBA.

Another MVP season by the greatest player in the league

Some only care about the trophy, but only one team is so honored each year. I won't forget these other accomplishments.

Mevins31
05-14-2010, 01:19 AM
I was weirdly hoping he'd get the quadruple double just so he could set one more Cleveland record.

Yes, he's playing hurt. It's so obvious. His head isn't where it should be, and while that can be explained by 50000 conspiracy theories, it can also be explained by extreme disappointment that he's physically unable to deliver for his team the way they need him to deliver.

Thank you LeBron, thank you Mike Brown, thank you Danny Ferry, thank you to all the players and everyone in the organization for all the hard work and endless hours you've put in to what was a very successful season.

61 wins.

A central division banner.

The best record in the NBA.

Another MVP season by the greatest player in the league

Some only care about the trophy, but only one team is so honored each year. I won't forget these other accomplishments.

The greatest player in the league is still playing. other then that I agree with your post.

KilgoreTrout
05-14-2010, 01:22 AM
It's also really hard for me to believe that LeBron couldn't have gotten Brown fired, if he wanted to. Maybe he didn't push hard enough. After the Orlando series last year, all he had to say was, "Hey Gilbert - How do you like the value of your franchise? Well, if you don't get rid of this schmuck, it's going way down next July 1." I can't believe that Gilbert wouldn't have responded. It didn't have to go this far. The writing was on the wall long ago...

Of course, who could know that Ferry was building a steaming pile, when it looked like he was building a bullet-proof roster? I remember Simmons saying how the Cavs were the most complete team in the league - could go big, small, whatever. The only person who could stop the Cavs was Mike Brown. No truer words... In the end, Ferry just gave Brown too much to deal with... Too much to figure out...

mrwillnixon
05-14-2010, 01:22 AM
The Celtic's best player in this series was Lebron's elbow. Not only did it limit LBJ, but the knowledge of their MVP not being 100% sucked the life out of the supporting cast.

We as fans now deserve to know the truth. What was the full story with this elbow. I really refuse to accept the fact that LeBron was "throwing games" or any of this nonsense.

CHIMOCHIS
05-14-2010, 01:23 AM
nah mike brown

mrwillnixon
05-14-2010, 01:26 AM
nah mike brown

I agree that MB was a big part of why we lost, but I'd have to say the elbow contributed possibly even more. I think that tonight, though it didn't affect him physically as much, it still affected him mentally knowing that he wasn't 100% and that so much was on the line.

KI4MVP
05-14-2010, 01:28 AM
I think 3 things will come out over the next couple of weeks

- we'll get a better idea of just how injured LeBron's elbow really was these past couple of weeks. Remember last year he had to have surgery as soon as the playoffs were over for a tumor he never even mentioned. This year he could be seen grimacing and favoring the elbow multiple times.

- we'll get a better idea of just how injured Andy was

- we'll see that Boston is the real deal. THey did what we hoped to do, have all of their players who had been injured all year reach full strength during the playoffs. Their defense was outstanding. LeBron worked hard after teh last boston series to become a better shooter. He knew he needed that to counter the way Boston defended him. His elbow injury took that away from him. SImilar results against the same defense. Did LeBron "tank" games 2 years ago against the celtics?

Triumph36
05-14-2010, 01:31 AM
We tried, really really hard actually. We tried really really hard to trade for him, but Phoenix just never accepted the offer. Get over it.I'm not going to blame Ferry for not dealing for Amare, but I do wonder what deals were actually discussed. Who was offered past JJ? Was he willing to absorb J-Rich? Etc. Again, not blaming Ferry...but it's hard not to wonder if there was something that could've been added - from either Phoenix or Cleveland- to the deal to make it work.

Pioneer10
05-14-2010, 01:31 AM
I'm going to feel bad for LJ4MVP if Lebron leaves, Lebron's my favorite player in the league but man he's one dude who has truly been a FANatic of Lebron over the years.

Jon
05-14-2010, 01:37 AM
I doubt there's anything more to learn about the elbow. Like I've said over and over, I have no clue why you guys don't think a bone bruise and a muscle strain aren't serious injuries.

Most athletes would be shelved for at least a couple of weeks with injuries like that, possibly more (consider the infamous high ankle sprain).

ohbarrett
05-14-2010, 01:39 AM
I doubt there's anything more to learn about the elbow. Like I've said over and over, I have no clue why you guys don't think a bone bruise and a muscle strain aren't serious injuries.

Most athletes would be shelved for at least a couple of weeks with injuries like that, possibly more (consider the infamous high ankle sprain).

or how badly a screwed up toe destroyed Boobie's game a few years ago.

riveronfire
05-14-2010, 01:40 AM
9 turnovers, 38%. After all that he's done for basketball and sports in NE Ohio, and that's your argument? Toss in the fact that he's legimately hurt?

Jesus, man.



sorry buddy but you are in denial. he got those numbers because he is a physical beast with talent, not because he was giving it his all.


in another thread that i started(that was either closed or merged) i predicted this outcome TO THE TEE. i said he would end up having a good game statistically but either keep himself out of the game in the 4th quarter or purposly brick shots to throw the game. is kind of like when you give your 2 weeks notice at a job. during the last few days you just dont care about anything and thats why he went thru. everything from the mystery elbow injury, staying out of huddles, turning the ball over uncharacteristically, figeting around/avoiding eye contact/scrathing head(all signs of lying) at the press...all this shit happen in just under 2 weeks and thats not a coincidence.

i mean i know id rather be playing with young guys like rose and noah next year then mo 'turnstile' williams or sideshow bob who cant make layups.

pimppuffweet
05-14-2010, 01:41 AM
I doubt there's anything more to learn about the elbow. Like I've said over and over, I have no clue why you guys don't think a bone bruise and a muscle strain aren't serious injuries.

Most athletes would be shelved for at least a couple of weeks with injuries like that, possibly more (consider the infamous high ankle sprain).

I think we can all agree with you that those are serious injuries. What we don't agree with is why someone with such injuries would risk aggravating them with underhand half court shots and 360 dunks prior to gametime.

futuristxen
05-14-2010, 01:41 AM
I think that's right. If you think about it the things Lebron would do healthy, finishing and1 plays, dunking on fools in the paint, and holding onto the ball in traffic--are all pretty reliant on having a good elbow joint. Try and clinch a basketball like Lebron does and see the muscles it uses and you can see why he was so troubled by it.

I doubt it's anything beyond what we've been told. But I think the media did a poor job comparing it to other injuries that players have. It's somewhat compareable to to Kobe's finger injury, but he can still go in and finish in the paint with contact with the finger issue. With the elbow issue I think that's a lot more difficult.

Lebron's in a no-win situation with the elbow. If he admits it was bothering him, he's making excuses. If he doesn't admit it was bothering him then he was tanking games.

If I were him I'd take a few weeks on a secluded island away from any kind of media and just relax for a bit.

InBoobieWeTrust
05-14-2010, 01:43 AM
I'm not going to blame Ferry for not dealing for Amare, but I do wonder what deals were actually discussed. Who was offered past JJ? Was he willing to absorb J-Rich? Etc. Again, not blaming Ferry...but it's hard not to wonder if there was something that could've been added - from either Phoenix or Cleveland- to the deal to make it work.

I think it's pretty clear that once the deal got close, Pat Riley stepped in and pretended like he was going to put together a godfather 3 team offer to Phoenix.

The Cavs felt they needed to make a move, when it became apparent that Phoenix didn't like our deal and were waiting for Pat Riley to pull a third team out of his ass and give them a ridiculously good deal, the Cavs weren't going to be left at the altar by Phoenix like they were last year so they made their move. Phoenix ended up not taking a less than optimal deal for Amare and it's paying off in dividends from them right now.

Jon
05-14-2010, 01:43 AM
I'm going to feel bad for LJ4MVP if Lebron leaves, Lebron's my favorite player in the league but man he's one dude who has truly been a FANatic of Lebron over the years.

Heh, there are going to be a lot of conflicted feelings if LeBron walks, but I generally follow our ex-players after they leave via the power of league pass ... I'll certainly follow LeBron.

Anyone seen Wally World around lately? :chuckles:

Jon
05-14-2010, 01:46 AM
I think we can all agree with you that those are serious injuries. What we don't agree with is why someone with such injuries would risk aggravating them with underhand half court shots and 360 dunks prior to gametime.

Good question, but we don't know exactly how the injuries are effecting him. It's just obvious they are.

KI4MVP
05-14-2010, 01:48 AM
I think we can all agree with you that those are serious injuries. What we don't agree with is why someone with such injuries would risk aggravating them with underhand half court shots and 360 dunks prior to gametime.

in game 2 he took those half court shots before the game left handed.

kookoo
05-14-2010, 01:50 AM
I agree that MB was a big part of why we lost, but I'd have to say the elbow contributed possibly even more. I think that tonight, though it didn't affect him physically as much, it still affected him mentally knowing that he wasn't 100% and that so much was on the line.

I blame Barkley. Once he was on the Cavs bandwagon, we got fucked.

lebronisgod23
05-14-2010, 01:50 AM
Wow, guys he hasn't left yet. Everyone's feeling the same pain right now, but don't draw conclusions so quickly.

MJA1080
05-14-2010, 01:53 AM
Good question, but we don't know exactly how the injuries are effecting him. It's just obvious they are.

He said that flare ups could happen. Maybe certain things were affecting him more than we knew. All I know is that he is more of a man than any of us, and pulling him wasn't going to do anything. None of us could play through it, but he did, but I think he knew it just wasn't enough.

Jon
05-14-2010, 02:31 AM
He said that flare ups could happen. Maybe certain things were affecting him more than we knew. All I know is that he is more of a man than any of us, and pulling him wasn't going to do anything. None of us could play through it, but he did, but I think he knew it just wasn't enough.

Well, the "flare ups" he's probably referring too is when his entire arm goes numb with a pins & needles feeling likely due to a pinched nerve. It looks to me like there's a tightness or a weakness in his muscle that's just throwing his shot, his dribble, and his passing off just a bit.

Unfortunately, it only takes a bit.

Sort of like a fastball pitcher who loses a couple of MPH off his fastball, and suddenly everyone's knocking him out of the park. The pitcher might be able to adjust or adapt, but for a while he's just going to get pounded.

MJA1080
05-14-2010, 02:39 AM
In other news, Lebron's wikipedia page was locked due to "vandalism"

demondeacs13
05-14-2010, 02:42 AM
Speaking of which, I locked my keys in my car so that I wouldn't drive to the Valley View bridge.

mAo_mAo
05-14-2010, 02:57 AM
If he stayed, his poor effort this series will be forgiven and everybody will stop irking about the conspiracy theory and will blame the elbow instead. MJ did not win his championship until he was 28. LeBron is still just 25 yrs old. If he signed that 3 year extension he is till in his prime to look for another team when his contract is up.

Earl
05-14-2010, 03:01 AM
The amount of people swinging from LeBron's schlong after the efforts he put forward.. are absolutely pathetic. Not saying he has left already, but a real man would come back, and he doesn't do that, then fuck LeBron James. I don't care what he has done for us before.


Finish what you started, LeBron.

MJA1080
05-14-2010, 03:04 AM
The amount of people swinging from LeBron's schlong after the efforts he put forward.. are absolutely pathetic. Not saying he has left already, but a real man would come back, and he doesn't do that, then fuck LeBron James. I don't care what he has done for us before.


Finish what you started, LeBron.

Swinging from his nuts? What the hell would this team be without him? My god. Just because he doesn't win everything doesn't mean that he won't. And who says he hasn't come back. Absolutely pathetic excuse of a fan. What if it comes out and they find out something worse than we knew was effecting his elbow? Then you'll magically flip flop.

thecrowning
05-14-2010, 03:19 AM
I become a Cavs fan because of Lebron (now the 7th year). I have to say when I watch the NBA, I don't watch it too overly emotionally.

I don't know if Lebron is going to stay a Cav, but as an outsider, I NEVER feel this year's cavs team has all that big of a chance to win it all, in fact I never really think they have all that big of a chance any of those years. This is due to many many problems i have with the way this team plays, but that is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things because I don't think the cavs is built the right way to begin with. As i am not only a Cavs fan, but an NBA fan first. I don't take any of the regular season seeding seriously, the play is all that matters in the post season. I have seen too many teams to know they don't matter, and what matters.



1) The reason WHY the Cavs never won a championship these 5 years is this: They hire Mike Brown. Point blank, period. No matter what else they do with the roster would not matter. I truly believe that. There are 3 main things I look from an NBA headcoach:

a) Being able to discipline the team and be a leader that the team would come to for directions when in trouble. He is not a leader that the team respects and look for directions from, Lebron is. He repeatedly says he lets the team police themselves (the front office thought they did him a favor by building a veteran team), however he needs to have the control of the leash first before he let go. He never had the control over the players, and a team full of veterans is actually a quality working against him.

b) Be able to make in game offensive adjustments. He repeatedly advertises the fact that he delegates this portion to his assistants, may it be Kuester or Malone. However, just as above, he needs to be able to do it (better than or at least on par with his asst) first before he "delegates". He basically can't, this "delegation" deal has always been a "reliance" more than anything.

c) Be able to make in game defensive adjustments. The past 2 years proved he can't (which supposed to be his strong suit)

What he can somewhat do is defensive preparations, which is an assistant coach's job. So, Mike Brown is what he is, a defensive assistant. The Cavs made a gamble to hire a defensive assistant to make a championship run.



2) The fashion the Cavs went out is another. This disastrous end is 5 years in the making.

a) The front office has no timetable to build a championship team around a young star. They are always in win-now mode, and spend money very unwisely to only correct what they don't have the year before.

b) The front office did not put another leader on the roster and couple with the lack of leadership from the HC, all of those responsibilities fell on Lebron. That's the worst way to build when you have a 27,7,7 20yr old on your hand. They milk him the first chance they got.

c) This trigger a spoil-spoil effect. The franchise spoiled Lebron by giving him the key to the team, as their emotional leader and the franchise player, and part of the coaching responsibility. Lebron spoil the franchise by showing that he really does have the ability to do all those things at the same time while making the team competitive. Lebron was right that he spoiled a lot of people with his play, that is a fact. The Cavs though has spoiled Lebron to make him more arrogant and think that he can just do-it-all by himself without really listening to anyone. Both to blame. All these 5 years did was the Cavs was put on the NBA map but a fragile team because so much depends on one player, and Lebron become an increasing arrogant, undisciplined star who think he can do everything. All of this is inevitable because the ownership has no experience in building around a high profile young star. You look at the Lakers, they know what they are doing.

c) At the end, when Lebron is injured (not 100%), when he can't do it all by himself, he looks to his headcoach to do a headcoach's job, look to his teammates to carry him, they all fail him. Everything wrong with the approach was exposed. The ownership/front office/headcoach were left stunned realising that Lebron is actually really a 25yr-old young man.

d) Hence, both to blame. Both Lebron and the franchise, but the fact remains this disastrous end is a bed 5 years in the making, they are simply laying on it right now.



3) Now, Lebron is at the lowest point of his pro career, and everyone including the cavs fan here are piling on him, and that's not a bad thing. Over the past 2 years, the spoiling of and the dependence from the Cavs franchise have made Lebron's ego gotten out of control. He does not play hard all the time, he spends a lot of time engaging himself with non-basketball ambitions. Even as a Lebron fan, I cringe at some of the things he did, but at the same time, I am surprise by the fact that he actually went this far, this long without any sort of proper grooming from the franchise. Every great player needs to reach the bottom before he goes to the peak. Lebron would do the same. He is very vunerable right now, because this playoffs and this injury will teach him (and from the way he behavesd so far, they really did) about a lot of new things. Things like what kind of coach he will need in order to win a ship. The fact that he will not forever remain injury-free, and the fact that he is not so great that he can cruise and do everything on his own on the court while spending so much time on off the court stuff. The fact that he can't assume control over everything a team does, and then just let go whenever his condition doesn't allow him to and expect it to work as usual.

In short, Lebron will be more humble and have a much better understanding of his limits, and what to look for from a coach and a front office. This will shed much light on what he's gonna do on his impending free agency, a fresh start. These are all valuable experience to make him the eventual player that he can be. I have no doubt. Imho, all these came 2-3 years too late for him, partly because he always made a point to put the Cavs on a schedule, partly due to the Cavs not making good smart use of that schedule.

As an outsider, this is a complete end to the Cavs 5yr experiment. How much they learn will decide on their chance to retain Lebron.

Everyone here can step on Lebron and wish him gone as much as they want, warranted or not. But, I have no doubt that these things are things that Lebron needs to go through one way or the other. He will become a better player, more disciplined, humble player, who realise he'll need a real coach, another real star in the locker room, that he can be a #1 who will allow to have a close #2 on his team. Maybe the sideline dancing, the chalk toss, the pre-game handshakes and all those "fun" stuff will be gone, but in return he would have a better understanding on what it takes to win it all. This is the maturation process that came 2-3 years too late, because the cavs never let it happen when Lebron was only a 20yr old.

The remaining question is: will the Cavs be the team to reap the rewards of this 5yr failed experiment, or do they let another team take it? That's partly up to them, partly up to Lebron and also partly up to the Cavs fans.