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Hurl Bruce
07-22-2011, 04:31 PM
NCAA tells Ohio State it finds no new violations; won't face 'failure to monitor' charge
Friday, July 22, 2011 04:00 PM
By Randy Ludlow and Encarnacion Pyle
The Columbus Dispatch

The NCAA has notified Ohio State University that it will not face charges of failing to appropriately monitor its football team as part of a memorabilia-sales scandal that brought down former Coach Jim Tressel.

The NCAA has not uncovered any new, unreported violations during its investigation and agrees with Ohio State that Tressel was the only university official aware of violations by his players and that he failed to report them.

"Other than (two redacted player names) and (Ted) Sarniak, there is no indication that Tressel provided or discussed the information he received ... with anyone else, particularly athletics administrators," the NCAA reported in an enforcement staff case summary.

In the summary that was delivered to Ohio State yesterday and released today, the NCAA again stresses that Tressel failed in his duty to report the violations and knowingly fielded at least two ineligible players.

The NCAA will not hammer Ohio State with its worst-possible findings of loss of institutional control or failure to monitor, which would bring significant punishment.

"Considering the institution's rules education and monitoring efforts, the enforcement staff did not believe a failure to monitor charge was appropriate in this case," the NCAA informed Ohio State.

The NCAA also reported that it investigated a Sports Illustrated report that identified nine additional players as selling OSU memorabilia to tattoo-parlor owner Edward Rife and interviewed the athletes, but confirmed only one as dealing with the man who is soon to be sentenced on marijuana-trafficking charges.

Ohio State also released today the 139-page transcript of a 5-hour interview with Tressel on Feb. 8, in response to a public-records request by The Dispatch. The transcript was submitted to the NCAA on July 8 as part of its response to the charges.

Tressel resigned on May 30 at Athletic Director Gene Smith's request, unable to survive a scandal that stained the university's reputation and prompted the school to vacate its 12-1 record and Big Ten and Sugar Bowl championships of last season.

Tressel was interviewed by both university and NCAA officials. The transcript portrays himas torn and frightened after receiving emails in April 2010 from lawyer Christopher Cicero reporting that at least two of his players had sold memorabilia to Rife and were associating with a man being investigated for drug trafficking.

Tressel said he shared the information only with Sarniak, a Jeannette, Pa., businessman who is a mentor to departed quarterback Terrelle Pryor and whom the coach described as a father figure to Pryor.

"And so those next couple weeks, in my mind, I spent a lotta time, you know, pounding, pounding, pounding and also wondering, 'Where do I - you know, where do I look for some help with this?' Cause to me, it wasn't simply an NCAA rule. And I'm not belittling the importance for an NCAA rule. But it was way beyond an NCAA rule. I mean, it was a security issue. It was a federal criminal issue. It was a narcotics issue. You know, it - you know, where do you turn?"

Tressel conceded he made a mistake in not sharing what he knew. He said if the issue came up today, he would go to university lawyers, because it involved a federal law-enforcement matter.

"I can't say that I thought about going to Doug (Archie) or Julie (Vannatta) or Gene, you know? Yeah. I don't - you know, I can't sit here and say to you that I consciously said, 'Yes, I should,' and then, 'I shouldn't.' "

Tressel said he was most concerned about his players.

"I mean my heart was torn out about having the NCAA things and going through all that and embarrassing our school and all that. I mean, that rips your guts out. But not like a guy being convicted of drug trafficking or, you know, being one of the ones that the feds are using to go get the next guy, and, you know, those kind of things."

Tressel said he knew that NCAA sanctions were "inevitable."

"It was pretty simple. We were either gonna be horribly in trouble from a criminal standpoint, or we're gonna be minorly involved in drug, you know, buying and stuff, or we're gonna face the NCAA reality that we did some things with our memorabilia we're not allowed to do. I was totally confident one of those was gonna happen."

Tressel said he never directly confronted the two players identified by Cicero as selling memorabilia - their names were redacted, but other records have identified one as Pryor, who is turning pro, and the other as wide receiver DeVier Posey, who is still on the team.

The former coach said he talked to Pryor and the other player "for two minutes max. And, the message was, 'I'm hearing things. They're bad things. Better stay away from people. You know we've talked about this often.' "

However, in the NCAA enforcement staff case summary, one player told NCAA investigators that Tressel did bring up Rife by name and informed him that some of his memorabilia had been seized by federal authorities from Rife's house. The player reported that Tressel said: "Whatever you guys did, I don't want to know, but when it comes back up, just make sure you tell the truth."

The second player said that Tressel was not specific with him about his knowledge, saying that the coach told him to "be smart" and not sell any memorabilia.

But, Tressel said he never mentioned Rife and never told the players that their names were associated with "a criminal situation." He denied telling the players he did not want to know of the details underlying their memorabilia dealings.

The coach reported he said: "'Hey, this is serious. You better stay away.' It was not interrogative from the standpoint of you know, 'Are you using drugs? Are you getting drugs? Are you selling memorabilia?' ... I don't know whatever else they could be involved with, but you know, I didn't go through a laundry list of 'are you?'"

During the interview, Tressel said he told Vannatta, OSU's senior assistant general counsel for athletics, on Dec. 16 that he had received a tip "from a kid that's an attorney" who was "a walk-on player for us."

Tressel said he told Vannatta he couldn't remember the attorney's name and that he didn't share any information from the emails that Cicero had sent informing him of two players' OSU memorabilia sale.

Vannatta does not ask what the tip involved or further questioned Tressel.

Tressel said he didn't mention the e-mails at the time because "I guess in my mind I wasn't sure what the relevance was."

A source close to Ohio State's investigation of the case said Tressel was mistaken when he said during his interview that he told Vannatta that he had received a tip from an attorney and ex-walk on player later identified as Cicero.

Compliance director Archie, Athletic Director Smith, Vannatta and two others were present for the discussion with Tressel after university officials had interviewed players about their dealings with Rife, the source said.

Archie, Smith and Vannatta said in interviews that Tressel only spoke of receiving a tip involving his players' "lifestyle choices" and did not describe who provided the tip or its details, the source said.

In a statement, Ohio State said that the NCCA's findings "all make clear that when Coach Tressel was interviewed by a number of people within the institution ... he did not share his knowledge about the NCAA violation."

The university has stated it had no knowledge that Tressel knew of the violations until the emails from Cicero were discovered on Jan. 13.

OSU officials are scheduled to appear before the NCAA's Infractions Committee on Aug. 12. The NCAA will decide whether to accept the OSU-imposed penalties or apply further sanctions.

I.K.W.T
07-22-2011, 04:33 PM
Let's have a party!!!!!! OH YEAH

Cratylus
07-22-2011, 04:36 PM
Fuck yeah, bitches!

NorthCoastBias
07-22-2011, 04:40 PM
ESPN and Brady Hoke can eat it.

Hurl Bruce
07-22-2011, 04:45 PM
Hoke can start explaining to recruits that his 2 year bowl ban prognostication was a little off.

NorthCoastBias
07-22-2011, 04:48 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/runthedive/status/94501192469712896

:chuckles:

Hurl Bruce
07-22-2011, 04:48 PM
Michigan Board Meltdown (http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/ncaa-finds-no-new-osu-violations-no-loic-no-failure-monitor)

AZ_
07-22-2011, 05:04 PM
Annnnndddd score one for b00bie....

elcheato
07-22-2011, 05:22 PM
ESPN must be pissed

Maximus
07-22-2011, 05:23 PM
I'm torn. I'm glad they didnt get hit with the failure to control hammer. But, at the same time I'm annoyed that Gee and Smith skate with Tress taking 100% of the blame...those liars knew.

bushwick_bill
07-22-2011, 05:25 PM
I'm torn. I'm glad they didnt get hit with the failure to control hammer. But, at the same time I'm annoyed that Gee and Smith skate with Tress taking 100% of the blame...those liars knew.

OH IO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AZ_
07-22-2011, 05:26 PM
I'm torn. I'm glad they didnt get hit with the failure to control hammer. But, at the same time I'm annoyed that Gee and Smith skate with Tress taking 100% of the blame...those liars knew.

:chuckles:

Hurl Bruce
07-22-2011, 05:27 PM
In reality, the university already received its worst penalty in losing Jim Tressel.

Randolphkeys
07-22-2011, 05:29 PM
I'm torn. I'm glad they didnt get hit with the failure to control hammer. But, at the same time I'm annoyed that Gee and Smith skate with Tress taking 100% of the blame...those liars knew.

Not to mention all of Tressel's assistants who are still with the program. The process isn't fair. Not a single detail of it. However, I guess this is the NCAA finding some moral victory for completely losing control of college basketball.

bushwick_bill
07-22-2011, 05:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha6roJfoGjc&feature=related

Hurl Bruce
07-22-2011, 05:30 PM
AAAnnnnnnnddddd.....ESPN has yet to scroll it or have the news on the web site.

Of course.

Maximus
07-22-2011, 05:34 PM
:chuckles:

What's so funny?

Lee
07-22-2011, 05:50 PM
I'm torn. I'm glad they didnt get hit with the failure to control hammer. But, at the same time I'm annoyed that Gee and Smith skate with Tress taking 100% of the blame...those liars knew.

I am not 100% sure gee and smith knew. Tressell is still being held as a hero in Columbus and I just dont get that. All along I said Tressell committed the ultimate sin in lying to the NCAA but none of the fans cared because he won. I never saw evidence that Gee or Smith know. I hope the fired Tressell in time that the NCAA doesnt go beyond the self imposed sanctions. I really dont want to see my 2nd favorite school take a hit...especially when my alma matter sucks so bad, lol

sgm405
07-22-2011, 05:50 PM
I'm torn. I'm glad they didnt get hit with the failure to control hammer. But, at the same time I'm annoyed that Gee and Smith skate with Tress taking 100% of the blame...those liars knew.

I lost some respect for Ohio State. Anyone who thinks that NOBODY in the administration knew is naive. They threw Tressel under the bus and tried to save their own asses, and it worked.

Lee
07-22-2011, 05:54 PM
I lost some respect for Ohio State. Anyone who thinks that NOBODY in the administration knew is naive. They threw Tressel under the bus and tried to save their own asses, and it worked.

I am not an OSU fan, but i am not 100% sure they knew. Tressel lied to the NCAA and to the OSU Admin. I dont think they threw him under the bus at all. I think the exact opposite, the kept Tressel to long. This is not much different that what happened at the end of Tressel's YSU tenure. Difference being YSU isnt under the OSU microscope.

If Gee and Smith did anything wrong is that they valued Tressel's winning percentage and falsely perceived image way too much and stuck by him for too long.

Nightperson
07-22-2011, 06:28 PM
ESPN, scUM, State Penn... yall mad?

:chuckles:

tedginnjr
07-22-2011, 07:17 PM
So someone more informed than me help me out...

Does this mean vacating last years wins is the only penalty?

col63onel
07-22-2011, 07:41 PM
I lost some respect for Ohio State. Anyone who thinks that NOBODY in the administration knew is naive. They threw Tressel under the bus and tried to save their own asses, and it worked.

Would love to know your feeling about Auburn and Oregon, then.

col63onel
07-22-2011, 07:43 PM
NCAA dealt with facts they knew to be true. ESPiN and SI went with hearsay and dramatization.

Makes me so excited for August 12th. No postseason band, and an outside shot at no schollies lost. I can hear to moaning from Bristol to LA.

Wulfgar1224
07-22-2011, 08:08 PM
So someone more informed than me help me out...

Does this mean vacating last years wins is the only penalty?

So far all of OSU's penalties are self imposed. They vacated the 2010 season and gave themselves 2 years probation. Without a failure to monitor charge, the NCAA is not going to give a postseason ban. The NCAA may decide to add more years to the probation. It is also possible that they may add scholarship losses as well. There will be a hearing on August 12 and sometime in October, OSU will know the full extent of the sanctions. This is all barring any new developments of course.

col63onel
07-22-2011, 08:45 PM
So far all of OSU's penalties are self imposed. They vacated the 2010 season and gave themselves 2 years probation. Without a failure to monitor charge, the NCAA is not going to give a postseason ban. The NCAA may decide to add more years to the probation. It is also possible that they may add scholarship losses as well. There will be a hearing on August 12 and sometime in October, OSU will know the full extent of the sanctions. This is all barring any new developments of course.

This.

Had Tress not resigned, the big debate would be if he got the "show cause" which would basically result in him getting fired. Now the big question will be how few schollies OSU loses.

Randolphkeys
07-22-2011, 10:58 PM
Would love to know your feeling about Auburn and Oregon, then.

I've never understood this mistake: Auburn and Oregon are still being investigated by the NCAA. The amount of coverage this process receives from ESPN has no bearing on it. ESPN and SI went overboard on the coverage of tOSU, but the NCAA investigation seemed unphased by the increased hype.

Can we stop pretending that the NCAA investigations committee and ESPN are the same entity?

Tornicade IED
07-22-2011, 11:48 PM
I am not an OSU fan, but i am not 100% sure they knew. Tressel lied to the NCAA and to the OSU Admin. I dont think they threw him under the bus at all. I think the exact opposite, the kept Tressel to long. This is not much different that what happened at the end of Tressel's YSU tenure. Difference being YSU isnt under the OSU microscope.

If Gee and Smith did anything wrong is that they valued Tressel's winning percentage and falsely perceived image way too much and stuck by him for too long.

Tressel signed a piece of paper. a standardized form that made that declaration along with 100 others.

who in the fuck cares about the Ncaa anyways. Tressel lost his job for what he did. He screwed up and paid the piper. 10 years from now he will be honored as a great buckeye as he should be.

Tornicade IED
07-22-2011, 11:50 PM
So far all of OSU's penalties are self imposed. They vacated the 2010 season and gave themselves 2 years probation. Without a failure to monitor charge, the NCAA is not going to give a postseason ban. The NCAA may decide to add more years to the probation. It is also possible that they may add scholarship losses as well. There will be a hearing on August 12 and sometime in October, OSU will know the full extent of the sanctions. This is all barring any new developments of course.

I can see them losing a few scholarships for a a year or two. dont see them doing much else.

Amherstcavsfan
07-22-2011, 11:59 PM
Well, throwing Tressel under the bus works out for Ohio State.

I'm happy that Ohio State's fans don't get punished, but...yeah, Gee and Smith are a bunch of clowns and should be fired for allowing this bullshit to happen under their watch. Let's not forget, Tressel wasn't the only coach named in the report, and yet somehow Gee and Smith never knew.

Thanks Jimmy. Glad you could jump on the grenade to save the rest of us. See ya back on the Ohio State Campus in 5-10 years.

Randolphkeys
07-23-2011, 12:07 AM
Thanks Jimmy. Glad you could jump on the grenade to save the rest of us. See ya back on the Ohio State Campus in 5-10 years.

Tressel is in his 60s and made enough money to never have to work another day in his life. He is probably done coaching, especially the way this whole thing went down. Hopefully he is remembered as much for the good that he did in his career as the occasional mistakes he made. His only fault was rolling the dice on kids with questionable personal integrity, then trying to "protect" them when he should have cut bait. As many others have mentioned, look down the list of top ten programs in the country with a magnifying glass, and you will probably find similar stories.

Maximus
07-23-2011, 12:16 PM
Gordon Gee: "We are obviously thrilled that the NCAA has found no new violations and that the program won't face the 'failure to monitor' charge. I consider this the second greatest victory in the history of our great football program. The first being the incredible tie against Michigan."

Tornicade IED
07-23-2011, 12:17 PM
Gee should take his routine on the road. perhaps he could open for charlie sheen

CPK
07-23-2011, 01:10 PM
I'm torn. I'm glad they didnt get hit with the failure to control hammer. But, at the same time I'm annoyed that Gee and Smith skate with Tress taking 100% of the blame...those liars knew.

It sucks but someone had to be the fall guy and Jim took it on the chin for the school and the program.

Chris
07-23-2011, 01:19 PM
Annnnndddd score one for b00bie....

What you talking about?!

GAME OVER MAN, IT"S GAME OVER!!!

AZ_
07-23-2011, 01:39 PM
What you talking about?!

GAME OVER MAN, IT"S GAME OVER!!!

THIS IS BAD MAN!!!...REAAAALLLLLY BAD!!!

A Squared
07-23-2011, 01:50 PM
What you talking about?!

GAME OVER MAN, IT"S GAME OVER!!!

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Maximus
07-23-2011, 03:34 PM
Some of the reactions I'm reading and hearing on the radio are very strange. We didn't win anything with this news yesterday, it's just not going to get substantially worse. It reminds me of my kid's little league team mocking the opposing pitcher when they broke up a no-hitter in the last inning of a game we were losing 11-0. There was no victory yesterday, all we found out was that a terrible situation isn't going to get substantially worse. Good news, sure, but nothing to be talking smack over. At the end of the day, we still lost one of the best coaches in the country, we vacated last season, recruiting has been hurt, we are going to have another coaching change after the season and we are probably looking at several years before we are a contender. Woo-hoo!

Hopefully, the NCAA will show us mercy in a couple weeks and we can finally move on.

col63onel
07-23-2011, 06:33 PM
Some of the reactions I'm reading and hearing on the radio are very strange. We didn't win anything with this news yesterday, it's just not going to get substantially worse. It reminds me of my kid's little league team mocking the opposing pitcher when they broke up a no-hitter in the last inning of a game we were losing 11-0. There was no victory yesterday, all we found out was that a terrible situation isn't going to get substantially worse. Good news, sure, but nothing to be talking smack over. At the end of the day, we still lost one of the best coaches in the country, we vacated last season, recruiting has been hurt, we are going to have another coaching change after the season and we are probably looking at several years before we are a contender. Woo-hoo!

Hopefully, the NCAA will show us mercy in a couple weeks and we can finally move on.

I think there were 2 camps most Buckeye fans fell into:

1.) The people who bought the spin that espin, SI, etc, were selling and were generally worried about major sanctions

2.) The people who knew that espn, SI, etc, were full of shit from the start.

The former are feeling pure relief. The latter are feeling pure schadenfreude. Both are great feelings.

Chris
07-23-2011, 06:38 PM
I think there were 2 camps most Buckeye fans fell into:

1.) The people who bought the spin that espin, SI, etc, were selling and were generally worried about major sanctions Doug

2.) The people who knew that espn, SI, etc, were full of shit from the start. b00bie, me, everyone who thought about it rationally

The former are feeling pure relief. The latter are feeling pure schadenfreude. Both are great feelings.

.

Amherstcavsfan
07-24-2011, 08:35 AM
I don't think there is gonna be another coaching change, honestly.

I think Fickell is there guy. But first things first, he should fire that assclown Bollman before anything continues onward.

And the only reason recruiting was hurt was the possibility of major, bowl banning sanctions. Now that those are out of the picture, I don't see recruiting dipping too much.

Randolphkeys
07-24-2011, 08:54 AM
2.) The people who knew that espn, SI, etc, were full of shit from the start. b00bie, me, everyone who thought about it rationally

So when a jackass ex-player goes off in the media about a decade of consistent money laundering, then a week later retracts his statement... the "rational" thing to do is assume that the guy made the whole thing up? Are you Johnnie Cochrane?

There was a lot of smoke surrounding the OSU program. The investigation could have gone either way. The final decision was certainly fortunate in OSU's favor, but it seems the athletic department lost some autonomy in the process.

NorthCoastBias
07-24-2011, 09:56 AM
I don't think there is gonna be another coaching change, honestly.

I think Fickell is there guy. But first things first, he should fire that assclown Bollman before anything continues onward.

And the only reason recruiting was hurt was the possibility of major, bowl banning sanctions. Now that those are out of the picture, I don't see recruiting dipping too much.

This is Bollman's last season, regardless of who the head coach will be next season.

tedginnjr
07-24-2011, 12:42 PM
Anyone who thinks this ruling is proof that there isn't serious shady and illegal activity with OSU's football team is kidding themselves. The NCAA may not have had enough proof to hand out the more serious charges, but rest assured that it's going on.

It reminds me of the Casey Anthony trial... we know she did it, but putting together hard evidence for the case is another thing...

Cratylus
07-24-2011, 01:09 PM
Anyone who thinks this ruling is proof that there isn't serious shady and illegal activity with OSU's football team is kidding themselves. The NCAA may not have had enough proof to hand out the more serious charges, but rest assured that it's going on.

It reminds me of the Casey Anthony trial... we know she did it, but putting together hard evidence for the case is another thing...

Oh, I know. Because how in the world could the largest, one of the best academic schools in the country, and one that consistently plays on national television and ranks consistently in the Top 10 every single year possibly be a draw to star high school athletes without doing something shady to get and keep them there. [rolls eyes]

Maximus
07-24-2011, 01:21 PM
I think there were 2 camps most Buckeye fans fell into:

1.) The people who bought the spin that espin, SI, etc, were selling and were generally worried about major sanctions

2.) The people who knew that espn, SI, etc, were full of shit from the start.

The former are feeling pure relief. The latter are feeling pure schadenfreude. Both are great feelings.



I think there were 2 camps most Buckeye fans fell into:

1.) The people who bought the spin that espin, SI, etc, were selling and were generally worried about major sanctions Doug

2.) The people who knew that espn, SI, etc, were full of shit from the start. b00bie, me, everyone who thought about it rationally

The former are feeling pure relief. The latter are feeling pure schadenfreude. Both are great feelings.


You two are trying to re-write history. For a good laugh, read this thread - http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?36234-Tressel-knew-of-gear-scheme-last-April

Yes, there were two groups.

1) The realists that understood back in March the seriousness of the situation. We predicted early on that Tressel would never coach again...for that we were attacked and laughed at.

2) The group that was in denial for months. They claimed Yahoo Sports was full of shit b/c it used an unnamed source. Then they claimed Tressel shouldn't believe the "sleazy lawyer". B00bie repeats 100 times that "Tressel never lied". Then Tress was just protecting a federal investigation. One constant theme was attacking the messenger, while ignoring the message and the facts that were undeniable.

Seriously, read that thread, it's a riot. Make fun of Doug all you want, but he was right on target with his assessment most of the way, while posters like b00bie and cmstuffy were wrong about 90% of the time...heads in the sand.

Chris
07-24-2011, 01:44 PM
So when a jackass ex-player goes off in the media about a decade of consistent money laundering, then a week later retracts his statement... the "rational" thing to do is assume that the guy made the whole thing up? Are you Johnnie Cochrane?

There was a lot of smoke surrounding the OSU program. The investigation could have gone either way. The final decision was certainly fortunate in OSU's favor, but it seems the athletic department lost some autonomy in the process.

I don't know how much you read around, but forums were pretty much rife with rabid OSU haters thinking this was the end of OSU football for the next two decades. Turns out, they were irrational and wrong, and a lot of this "smoke" was just that... smoke.

If you can't see that, well, nothing I say will help your eyes.

Chris
07-24-2011, 01:49 PM
You two are trying to re-write history. For a good laugh, read this thread - http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?36234-Tressel-knew-of-gear-scheme-last-April

Yes, there were two groups.

1) The realists that understood back in March the seriousness of the situation. We predicted early on that Tressel would never coach again...for that we were attacked and laughed at.

2) The group that was in denial for months. They claimed Yahoo Sports was full of shit b/c it used an unnamed source. Then they claimed Tressel shouldn't believe the "sleazy lawyer". B00bie repeats 100 times that "Tressel never lied". Then Tress was just protecting a federal investigation. One constant theme was attacking the messenger, while ignoring the message and the facts that were undeniable.

Seriously, read that thread, it's a riot. Make fun of Doug all you want, but he was right on target with his assessment most of the way, while posters like b00bie and cmstuffy were wrong about 90% of the time...heads in the sand.

I'm not going to bother, because I Remember it well enough. I Remember Doug flipping the shit every time something new came out and screaming from the top of the mountain about how "Bad" this was. And how it was going to get so much worse and we "are fucked." :chuckles:

Looks like he was wrong about that. What's all this stuff he was right about? :rofl:

Nobody is saying bad stuff wasn't going on. What I am saying is looks like the people who didn't buy the bullshit from SI and ESPN and actually sat down and thought about this and sifted through the crap were right all along: this is not the end of OSU football, life is going on, and the football program will be fine. If anyone is trying to rewrite history, it's you. I don't know what the hell this charade is you're running but some of us aren't buying it. Your failure to grasp what b00bie and I are saying is frustrating.

edit: Decided to flip through the thread a bit and I can't speak for other people ... but what I saw of myself was pretty much me upset about the violations, but waiting for more information to come out and not jumping to conclusions, and then me trying to quell the massive exaggeration going on by Doug and others (not just on RCF, but in the media too).

Sounds like I had my head in the sand, for sure! *rolls eyes* All the cumstuffy jokes in the world don't make your point any more rational, Max. Here's some Doug Soup for you:


This is just bad, bad, bad. It will not end well.

And further still; did he actually forward the emails to the OSU compliance department and they did nothing as well? I HOPE NOT. If this turns out there is more to this entire fiasco, OSU can forget about any bowls, etc, for a very long time.

Jumping to conclusions is all he is guilty of. Unfortunately for you, that's what I was reprimanding him for.

Quote by me, look at my head in the sand!


despite his horrible mistake that yes, possibly should cost him his job.

Well, glad I took the time to read the thread, Max, it's really opening my eyes...

In all seriousness, arguing about our past "reactions" to this news is stupid. However, with this new piece of news, I felt like giving a shout out to everybody (..Doug) who was literally going ape shit and talking about how fucked we were in every single post and acting like Bill Paxton from Aliens (hence the meme :chuckles: ) every other minute.

Maximus
07-24-2011, 05:59 PM
I'm not going to bother, because I Remember it well enough. I Remember Doug flipping the shit every time something new came out and screaming from the top of the mountain about how "Bad" this was. And how it was going to get so much worse and we "are fucked."
Looks like he was wrong about that. What's all this stuff he was right about?


Wait, you don't think the last 4 months has been "bad"? It was very bad. Sure it could've been worse, but this was a nightmare. Just because we didn't get the death penalty doesn't mean everything is great again and back to normal. It's been a PR mess and no doubt will hurt recruiting. We lost one of the best coaches in the country...that's extremely "bad", right? We had to vacate the last season...that's "bad" too. Many of you homers denied any of that would happen. It's going to take years to get back to where we were. This whole saga was a disaster...and its not necessarily over. We still havent heard if there's going to be additional penalties.




Your failure to grasp what b00bie and I are saying is frustrating.


I grasped what you guys were saying. Your inability to grasp that Tressel commited serious violations, that he was doomed as a coach and that the program would take a hit was frustrating. Almost everyone on here knew Tress's days were numbered before you two.


Not sure you guys are thinking. How do you prove this? How is this any more than he said she said?


That tells me they have nothing as of now.


I'd be shocked if he is fired.



I don't think Tressel lied to anyone, so people driving the "he lied" truck need to pump the brakes.



You still have yet to even talk about how Tressel lied....
He didn't lie...at all.
You seem to have this vendetta against him....For the life of me I can't understand why.


Doesn't look like he lied to me....


He should be fired for not taking a tip from some douchebag lawyer seriously enough?
Please...


Had he lied...he would have been fired.
He really didn't lie....He just did not say anything


The emails I have seen, and I don't see how one can assume that Tress has to take the word of this attorney/the criminal (Rife) as fact.

Denial...

Chris
07-24-2011, 06:12 PM
People talking shit about my school is bad...but it isn't "football program is now crippled" type of bad, nor is that what is going to happen to OSU. I can put up with people talking shit if in the end our program is not going to be beheaded like Doug, you, and whoever else seemed to think it was (and are now scrambling to act as if you didn't).

I won't speak for b00bie's quotes, all I know is b00bie had been saying they wouldn't get hit hard and he turned out right. Yeah, speaking of denial, you refuse to acknowledge that. But b00bie can fight his own battles. My quotes you posted (all 3 of them) were me basically waiting for more information. I was surprised Tressel resigned, yes. As were a lot of people. I am certainly glad he did, at this point. Me saying I'd be shocked if he gets fired does not back up your point, at all, nor do my quotes that were basically me telling people to calm the fuck down we know nothing as of yet.

So, you were saying? Oh, right:


I grasped what you guys were saying. Your inability to grasp that Tressel commited serious violations, that he was doomed as a coach and that the program would take a hit was frustrating. Almost everyone on here knew Tress's days were numbered before you two.

You say you grasp what I was saying, and then proceed to...totally butcher what I said. :rofl: Never did I say these were not serious violations. Didn't I even just post quotes of me saying he "probably should be fired" in the very thread you asked me to peruse?

So again...you were saying you grasped my points?

AZ_
07-24-2011, 06:29 PM
Wait, you don't think the last 4 months has been "bad"? It was very bad. Sure it could've been worse, but this was a nightmare. Just because we didn't get the death penalty doesn't mean everything is great again and back to normal. It's been a PR mess and no doubt will hurt recruiting. We lost one of the best coaches in the country...that's extremely "bad", right? We had to vacate the last season...that's "bad" too. Many of you homers denied any of that would happen. It's going to take years to get back to where we were. This whole saga was a disaster...and its not necessarily over. We still havent heard if there's going to be additional penalties.





I grasped what you guys were saying. Your inability to grasp that Tressel commited serious violations, that he was doomed as a coach and that the program would take a hit was frustrating. Almost everyone on here knew Tress's days were numbered before you two.




















Denial...

Neat.

How many of those quotes were taken from before we had ALL of the facts present?

And for the record, people who still refer to this whole "scandal" like it was some elaborate plot to fool the NCAA are dreaming this stuff up in their heads. Sensationalism to the fullest extent.

And they STILL could have kept Tressel through all this if the athletic department didn't royally fuck things up to start...then make amends by throwing Tressel to the wolves.

Chris
07-24-2011, 06:40 PM
How many of those quotes were taken from before we had ALL of the facts present?

Exactly my point. So cooler heads were saying "Wait for more information before burying the program" and it turns out some of the accusations were TRUE and PROVEN (some were not proven adequately) and Max is going to go back and act like those are damning quotes or something? :chuckles:

sigh.

Randolphkeys
07-24-2011, 11:35 PM
I don't know how much you read around, but forums were pretty much rife with rabid OSU haters thinking this was the end of OSU football for the next two decades. Turns out, they were irrational and wrong, and a lot of this "smoke" was just that... smoke.

If you can't see that, well, nothing I say will help your eyes.

My sources on all of the OSU drama weren't available for you to read. :cool: I did know that some of my sources had a vested interest in OSU getting the book thrown at them for recruiting purposes, and I knew that the OSU sources were veering too far to the other side. I just asked questions and then typed. :dunno: I have no idea what forums were rife with.

When Max posted that article about ESPN's true intentions, I actually had something to offer these sources that they generally didn't know. Other than that, I really didn't pay attention to much of anything forums had to say about it. I just relayed information.

One thing I've noticed about forums over the years: plenty of people take a wild stab at guessing the truth. When they come up winners in a debate, they like to act like they knew it was a 100% lock. If you have the opportunity to talk to real insiders on the subject, they would never be as 100% sure at any stage in the process. Too many factors change. I hope in this process my posts came across as neutral but informative.

Chris
07-24-2011, 11:42 PM
My sources on all of the OSU drama weren't available for you to read. :cool: I did know that some of my sources had a vested interest in OSU getting the book thrown at them for recruiting purposes, and I knew that the OSU sources were veering too far to the other side. I just asked questions and then typed. :dunno: I have no idea what forums were rife with.

When Max posted that article about ESPN's true intentions, I actually had something to offer these sources that they generally didn't know. Other than that, I really didn't pay attention to much of anything forums had to say about it. I just relayed information.

One thing I've noticed about forums over the years: plenty of people take a wild stab at guessing the truth. When they come up winners in a debate, they like to act like they knew it was a 100% lock. If you have the opportunity to talk to real insiders on the subject, they would never be as 100% sure at any stage in the process. Too many factors change. I hope in this process my posts came across as neutral but informative.

I wasn't knocking you or anything. I obviously never was "100% OSU will get off without too much trouble!" I wasn't claiming that. I just thought...it would not be nearly as serious as some thought. I thought that. Not trying to act like I'm some psychic or some shit. :chuckles:

As for forums, I frequent a few, mostly just read them besides this and another one but they were crawling with OSU haters predicting (and asking for) anything from death penalty to 5 year bowl bans and all types of insane shit.

tedginnjr
07-25-2011, 07:38 AM
Oh, I know. Because how in the world could the largest, one of the best academic schools in the country, and one that consistently plays on national television and ranks consistently in the Top 10 every single year possibly be a draw to star high school athletes without doing something shady to get and keep them there. [rolls eyes]

As Pryor rides in in yet another sportscar...

RappSoda
07-25-2011, 12:19 PM
Gene Chizik is doing a "tweetchat" on ESPN today, mid NCAA investigation. Propaganda, and some of you have and still are pathetically adhereing to their and SI's claims. Going down with the ship much?

Tornicade IED
07-25-2011, 02:34 PM
Next Up. after several deep cover investigations. It has been found a common occurrence of unnamed players jaywalking to a store to get ridiculously low priced books. after much research we have found no tickets issued to these players in 20 years. OSU has also failed to investigate the pricing of the books. look for more NCAA violations soon.

The shady business dealings and illegal street crossing is believe to have taken place here in the worst neighborhood in Columbus
http://www.hpb.com/images/stores/large/052-1.jpg

Stay tuned more to follow. Players were seen selling DVD's on the premises and this was spotted in the back of the store

http://www.tailgatelot.com/storage/post-images/osu-buckeye-tailgate-bus.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=12790557637271

One witness proclaimed " I walked in one day and there were players at the counter exchanging money for DVD's at the register. I didnt feel like I was supposed to be seeing this."

Lee
07-25-2011, 03:53 PM
Neat.

How many of those quotes were taken from before we had ALL of the facts present?

And for the record, people who still refer to this whole "scandal" like it was some elaborate plot to fool the NCAA are dreaming this stuff up in their heads. Sensationalism to the fullest extent.

And they STILL could have kept Tressel through all this if the athletic department didn't royally fuck things up to start...then make amends by throwing Tressel to the wolves.

They couldnt have kept Tressel. He lied to the NCAA and the university. He played players he knew should be ineligable. I said from the begining this was a big deal and Tressel should be fired. You got mad at me (and others) for saying such stupid things. I also pointed out thought that this isnt the end of OSU football. I pointed out that OSU will remain a top 5 job because of the size and strength of the alumni and the incredible recruiting base they enjoy with very little competition.

I still stand by both of those. I did predict one bowl lost and about 20 scholarships. We will see if my original prediction comes true, but one bowl game will not kill a program like OSU.

Use Miami as an example, after 4 national championships the last one being in '91, they got 30 scholorships taken away in the 96 season for 2 years. The missed a bowl in 97, but by 2000 they were already competing for a national championship and won the championship in 2001. Thing is, OSU has even better traditions and a better recruiting base then even Miami. For those that argue, OSU is the only major program in Ohio, Miami recruits South FL, but they compete with 2 other major schools for the top prosepects.

My point? I still think what OSU did, especially Tressel was very bad, but the death of OSU football? Come on, they werent in the same league of violators as SMU and thats the only program that has turly been shut down and never recovered. OSU football will be fine, you will have 2 years of lumps and looks like i might have been wrong about losing a bowl, but you will lose 20 or so scholarships.

Tornicade IED
07-25-2011, 06:00 PM
They couldnt have kept Tressel. He lied to the NCAA and the university. He played players he knew should be ineligable. I said from the begining this was a big deal and Tressel should be fired. You got mad at me (and others) for saying such stupid things. I also pointed out thought that this isnt the end of OSU football. I pointed out that OSU will remain a top 5 job because of the size and strength of the alumni and the incredible recruiting base they enjoy with very little competition.

I still stand by both of those. I did predict one bowl lost and about 20 scholarships. We will see if my original prediction comes true, but one bowl game will not kill a program like OSU.

Use Miami as an example, after 4 national championships the last one being in '91, they got 30 scholorships taken away in the 96 season for 2 years. The missed a bowl in 97, but by 2000 they were already competing for a national championship and won the championship in 2001. Thing is, OSU has even better traditions and a better recruiting base then even Miami. For those that argue, OSU is the only major program in Ohio, Miami recruits South FL, but they compete with 2 other major schools for the top prosepects.

My point? I still think what OSU did, especially Tressel was very bad, but the death of OSU football? Come on, they werent in the same league of violators as SMU and thats the only program that has turly been shut down and never recovered. OSU football will be fine, you will have 2 years of lumps and looks like i might have been wrong about losing a bowl, but you will lose 20 or so scholarships.

really
In 1994, Tony Russell, a former UM academic advisor, pleaded guilty to helping more than 80 student athletes, 57 of whom were football players, falsify Pell Grant applications in exchange for kickbacks from the players themselves. The scandal dated all the way back to 1989 and secured more than $220,000 in federal grant money. Federal officials later said that Russell had engineered "perhaps the largest centralized fraud ... ever committed" in the history of the Pell Grant program.[69][70]

In late 1995, the NCAA concluded that, in addition to the fraudulent Pell Grants facilitated by Russell, the university had also provided or allowed over $400,000 worth of other, improper payments to Miami football players. The NCAA also found that the university had failed to wholly implement its drug testing program, and permitted three football student-athletes to compete without being subject to the required disciplinary measures specified in the policy. Finally, the NCAA concluded, the university had lost institutional control over the football program.[71] Miami docked itself seven scholarships as part of a self-imposed sanction in 1995, and the NCAA took away another 24 scholarships over the next two years. As a result of the scandal, Sports Illustrated's Alexander Wolff wrote a cover story that Miami should at least temporarily shut down its football program.[69] Further, On June 21, 1996, Miami football players broke into the apartment of the captain of Miami's track team and struck him repeatedly. In response, Davis suspended three key players for the coming 1996 season. Davis also suspended two other players who were involved in separate violent incidents.[72]

The fact that you would compare the two, shows how incredibly obtuse and overstatement of the OSU violations are.
http://www2.nbc4i.com/mgmedia/file/127/osu-tressel-emails/
Once again this wasnt result of an NCAA investigation.
The Ohio State University Self reported the Violations upon receiving the letter from the Department of Justice.
OSU then self reported that there were e mails that implied Tressel knew about the matter 6 months before.

Once again the University has done everything it can to demonstrate that they are on top of things and the matter was about a coach getting a questionable e mail and making the wrong decision.

When Tressel was actually asked. He didnt lie he told them he had been aware of it.

Ultimately the NCAA themselves deemed the violations so severe. They let them play.

Also if the NCAA really wanted to stop this from happening everywhere they would not allow PLayers to sign memorbilia at all. Of course they wouldnt do that. those autograph signing generate sells for their trademark and they would lose revenue.

This matter was bout players going out on their own and profiting on their na,e. it was not facilitated nor endorsed by any Osu Official or representative and from the wording it most likely appeared to Tressel to be nothing worse than a secondary violation.

anything more than 5 scholarships would be excessive and without justification.

Lee
07-25-2011, 07:16 PM
really
In 1994, Tony Russell, a former UM academic advisor, pleaded guilty to helping more than 80 student athletes, 57 of whom were football players, falsify Pell Grant applications in exchange for kickbacks from the players themselves. The scandal dated all the way back to 1989 and secured more than $220,000 in federal grant money. Federal officials later said that Russell had engineered "perhaps the largest centralized fraud ... ever committed" in the history of the Pell Grant program.[69][70]

In late 1995, the NCAA concluded that, in addition to the fraudulent Pell Grants facilitated by Russell, the university had also provided or allowed over $400,000 worth of other, improper payments to Miami football players. The NCAA also found that the university had failed to wholly implement its drug testing program, and permitted three football student-athletes to compete without being subject to the required disciplinary measures specified in the policy. Finally, the NCAA concluded, the university had lost institutional control over the football program.[71] Miami docked itself seven scholarships as part of a self-imposed sanction in 1995, and the NCAA took away another 24 scholarships over the next two years. As a result of the scandal, Sports Illustrated's Alexander Wolff wrote a cover story that Miami should at least temporarily shut down its football program.[69] Further, On June 21, 1996, Miami football players broke into the apartment of the captain of Miami's track team and struck him repeatedly. In response, Davis suspended three key players for the coming 1996 season. Davis also suspended two other players who were involved in separate violent incidents.[72]

The fact that you would compare the two, shows how incredibly obtuse and overstatement of the OSU violations are.
http://www2.nbc4i.com/mgmedia/file/127/osu-tressel-emails/
Once again this wasnt result of an NCAA investigation.
The Ohio State University Self reported the Violations upon receiving the letter from the Department of Justice.
OSU then self reported that there were e mails that implied Tressel knew about the matter 6 months before.

Once again the University has done everything it can to demonstrate that they are on top of things and the matter was about a coach getting a questionable e mail and making the wrong decision.

When Tressel was actually asked. He didnt lie he told them he had been aware of it.

Ultimately the NCAA themselves deemed the violations so severe. They let them play.

Also if the NCAA really wanted to stop this from happening everywhere they would not allow PLayers to sign memorbilia at all. Of course they wouldnt do that. those autograph signing generate sells for their trademark and they would lose revenue.

This matter was bout players going out on their own and profiting on their na,e. it was not facilitated nor endorsed by any Osu Official or representative and from the wording it most likely appeared to Tressel to be nothing worse than a secondary violation.

anything more than 5 scholarships would be excessive and without justification.

Just showing that even when a major program recieves a major blow it can come back relatively quickly.

And you are obviously in denial about Tressell lying. So he didnt sign the compliance letter stating he had no knowledge of any violations months after receiving the email? oh wait, he was worried about the federal investigation. :rolleyes:

Some of you homers just dont get it on Tressell. The major issue isnt the violation the players committed, its the fact he knew for 9 months and never went to the NCAA or the university officials. The only reason he ended up confessing was because he got caught. He should have been fired a month before he was actually fired and that in my guess costs the university scholarships for sticking by Tressell to long.

Any argument about memorabilia or pay the players or any crap like that is just completely arguing off the subject. The major violation is the fact the head coach hid the fact he knew players were ineligible and he let them play. How they became ineligible is not important.

Bottom line Tressel fucked up big time and hopefully it doesnt cost the university much more than a few scholarships. I am guessing it will be more than 5. Especially since the coach is no longer around to punish.

Tornicade IED
07-25-2011, 10:39 PM
Just showing that even when a major program recieves a major blow it can come back relatively quickly.

And you are obviously in denial about Tressell lying. So he didnt sign the compliance letter stating he had no knowledge of any violations months after receiving the email? oh wait, he was worried about the federal investigation. :rolleyes:

Some of you homers just dont get it on Tressell. The major issue isnt the violation the players committed, its the fact he knew for 9 months and never went to the NCAA or the university officials. The only reason he ended up confessing was because he got caught. He should have been fired a month before he was actually fired and that in my guess costs the university scholarships for sticking by Tressell to long.

Any argument about memorabilia or pay the players or any crap like that is just completely arguing off the subject. The major violation is the fact the head coach hid the fact he knew players were ineligible and he let them play. How they became ineligible is not important.

Bottom line Tressel fucked up big time and hopefully it doesnt cost the university much more than a few scholarships. I am guessing it will be more than 5. Especially since the coach is no longer around to punish.

Ive already stated Tressel made a poor decision in signing a document without presenting it to his attorney first. People sign shit all the time with legalese that dont mean shit and rarely hold up in court..

I assure you no evidence will be presented of any memorbilia being signed and traded for tats by current OSU players since april.and tressel had a longstanding track record of reporting secondary violations.

It took 9 months for the Fbi Investigation to complete and send the approiate letter to the Ohio State University. It means that if Tressel had forwarded the information nothing would of happened until the investigation was complete.

Even the e mails show clearly that once they arrested rife and began prosecution nothing was going to be released to anyone.

The players would not likely have been suspended under these circumstances.

Tressel did two things wrong. he didnt forward the information.
He signed the wrong paper

He has been fired. It was his mistake. players are being treated as ineligible for games that noone would of had the informatin they needed to take action anyways had he had forwarded.

3 years probation 5 scholarships for two years seems like a rather stern penalty for what actually happened. I dont see anything more extensive.

None of these penalties would be for the players profiting on NCAA trademarked merchandise. They got five games for that. Im not sure how you can construe Tressel losing his job over the ordeal to be shirking penalties? that was the ultimate penalty.

As an Institution OSU had no culpability. and acted with a conscice manner not many University Compliance departments are capable of.

the NCAA has already ruled there was no lack of institutional control and maybe you dont realize that if OHio state gets an overly harsh penalty. they can forget about Universities self reporting. Imposing their own penalties and taking extra measures to stay within the NCAA guidelines. Other Universities will take notice and ask themselves if they need to shoot their own foot off when dealing with the NCAA.

Parents selling kids to schools, Schools funneling money to fake scouting rporting agencies whose sole purpose is to recruit kids. PLayers getting paid for stuff they dont own.

Those are the NCAA enemies right now. The message to coaches are loud and clear. If you sign false statements. youll get fired. NCAA couldnt hope for a better message.

politically, situationally, and common sense wise death penalties and bowl bans were media sensationalizing

Lee
07-26-2011, 10:49 AM
Ive already stated Tressel made a poor decision in signing a document without presenting it to his attorney first. People sign shit all the time with legalese that dont mean shit and rarely hold up in court..

I assure you no evidence will be presented of any memorbilia being signed and traded for tats by current OSU players since april.and tressel had a longstanding track record of reporting secondary violations.

It took 9 months for the Fbi Investigation to complete and send the approiate letter to the Ohio State University. It means that if Tressel had forwarded the information nothing would of happened until the investigation was complete.

Even the e mails show clearly that once they arrested rife and began prosecution nothing was going to be released to anyone.

The players would not likely have been suspended under these circumstances.

Tressel did two things wrong. he didnt forward the information.
He signed the wrong paper

He has been fired. It was his mistake. players are being treated as ineligible for games that noone would of had the informatin they needed to take action anyways had he had forwarded.

3 years probation 5 scholarships for two years seems like a rather stern penalty for what actually happened. I dont see anything more extensive.

None of these penalties would be for the players profiting on NCAA trademarked merchandise. They got five games for that. Im not sure how you can construe Tressel losing his job over the ordeal to be shirking penalties? that was the ultimate penalty.

As an Institution OSU had no culpability. and acted with a conscice manner not many University Compliance departments are capable of.

the NCAA has already ruled there was no lack of institutional control and maybe you dont realize that if OHio state gets an overly harsh penalty. they can forget about Universities self reporting. Imposing their own penalties and taking extra measures to stay within the NCAA guidelines. Other Universities will take notice and ask themselves if they need to shoot their own foot off when dealing with the NCAA.

Parents selling kids to schools, Schools funneling money to fake scouting rporting agencies whose sole purpose is to recruit kids. PLayers getting paid for stuff they dont own.

Those are the NCAA enemies right now. The message to coaches are loud and clear. If you sign false statements. youll get fired. NCAA couldnt hope for a better message.

politically, situationally, and common sense wise death penalties and bowl bans were media sensationalizing

Really? A coach who makes 3-4 million a year just signed a letter without having a lawyer look at it and didnt know the concequences. Is Tressel Barney Fife? Your thought proccess is so far off reality its laughable.

Tressell had the keys to a billion dollar bussiness. He was highly compensated for his efforts. He was well aware of what he was signing and even if he wasnt it would 100% hold up in court. This is not some guy on peoples court here who signed something without thinking about it. This is the head coach of one of the top programs in the entire nation.

And yes, I am so sure the NCAA is worried about universities not wanting to self report. :rolleyes:

The NCAA doesnt give a fuck about scaring institutions away from self reporting. The want to put the fear of G-d into these institutions and they have. The NCAA is one of the most unfair and biased orginizations I have ever seen. If they are mad at OSU, they will slap them with a huge penalty...whether they deserve it or not.

Do i think they deserve to lose a bowl? No, not if Gee and Smith truly didnt know. And i can believe they didnt know. Should they have fired Tressel right away? Yes, and I think the NCAA will point this out to them. There was some violations Tressell was associated at YSU. He has been accused of other violations from some not so trust worthy sources. But here is the issue, they become more trust worthy once you realize the Tressel is a proven liar.

Bottom line, Tressel is a scumbag that doesnt deserve the martyr tag the OSU fans are putting in him. He lied and he 100% knew what he was doing. If he didnt know, thats even worse. Yes OSU seems to be singled out a bit more than most other universities in trouble right now, but such is life as one of the top dogs (ask USC or Miami how that feels, ie they were singled out allot too) But, even if you do lose a bowl (seems unlikely at this point) I used the U of Miami example to show how a team can come back relatively quickly from such a punishment. OSU lost a coach. Will lose some scholarships, but I see no reason why OSU wont be back competing in BSC bowls in the very near future.

Tornicade IED
07-26-2011, 07:57 PM
Tressel a scumbag?

The guy has and will continue to be a positive contributing member to the community than you will ever be. maybe thats whats really pissing you off

The Voice
07-26-2011, 09:27 PM
Tressel a scumbag?

The guy has and will continue to be a positive contributing member to the community than you will ever be. maybe thats whats really pissing you off

Russo/Demora donated tons of money to the community and charity. I guess that makes them great people. Just because you have money and time to give doesn't make you a great person.

In the end it's all about tax write off's.

Tornicade IED
07-26-2011, 09:33 PM
Russo/Demora donated tons of money to the community and charity. I guess that makes them great people. Just because you have money and time to give doesn't make you a great person.

In the end it's all about tax write off's.

Iw asnt even referring to charity contributions

Randolphkeys
07-26-2011, 11:44 PM
Ive already stated Tressel made a poor decision in signing a document without presenting it to his attorney first. People sign shit all the time with legalese that dont mean shit and rarely hold up in court..



Tressel first read that document in 1986, when he first became a college head coach. All NCAA head coaches sign the same document annually, so he had 25 opportunities to read what he was signing. He knew what he was doing, he was just hoping nobody would notice.

Look, I think Tressel made a huge mistake in not taking a written legal document seriously. I also think he doesn't deserve to have such a tarnished legacy. Tressel tried to go above and beyond for some athletes to his own detriment, but it shouldn't outweigh all of the good he has done in his career. The second half of this post makes sense from a logical perspective. The problem with the NCAA -- and really any bureaucracy that knows it doesn't actually work efficiently -- is that they live to have good press on working efficiently once and a while to overcome the obvious: they aren't remotely close to being in control of what they are supposed to do 99% of the time.

It's like the neighborhood idiot cop who writes some jaywalking tickets once a week in front of a whorehouse. You can complain about how he does his job, but jaywalking is still illegal.