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TyGuy
06-29-2005, 12:29 AM
Im hearing rumors wer just traded a future 2nd rounder to orlando for the big lithuanian youngster Martynas. If this is true, it looks pretty likely we will keep big around. I also like this because the kid will have a great sparing partner at practice every day against big z. His comparison as a player is to big z and has a similar game and size.

www.realgm.com/src_draftnight_2005.php

Karma
06-29-2005, 12:32 AM
I am confused. The 44th pick was originally ours. It was then traded to Orlando as part of the Gooden/Battie trade. Now we may have it back?

TyGuy
06-29-2005, 12:32 AM
I believe we bought it back.

Karma
06-29-2005, 12:42 AM
The Orlando Magic have a deal in place to trade their 44th pick.

So it sounds like we have Martynas Andriuskevicius. This guy was going to be a lottery pick both this and last year, but his stock dropped. So we have our Lithuanian center, just not the one we expected.

King
06-29-2005, 12:44 AM
So I guess we did obtain him. Im not hearing from anywhere but RealGm. I find it interesting that we made a move to acquire a project C, rather than a pg. Marty could be a steal for us tho

TyGuy
06-29-2005, 12:47 AM
Yes i defintely like this, he will defintely not be counted on to play a big role. I think we are looking to re up z and have him help groom marty into a player :D

Karma
06-29-2005, 12:49 AM
Magic Trade Andriuskevicius To Cleveland, Obtain Gortat From Suns
29th June, 2005 - 12:32 am
Magic Press Release - The Magic selected center Martynas Andriuskevicius in the second round (44th overall) of the 2005 NBA Draft, then traded his draft rights to the Cleveland Cavaliers in exchange for a 2006 second round draft pick and cash considerations. http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/36413/20050629/magic_trade_andriuskevicius_to_cleveland_obtain_go rtat_from_suns/
Sorta official

PIP
06-29-2005, 01:27 AM
we got over on the magic last year.. hopefully lighting will strike twice

E-Light
06-29-2005, 01:53 AM
The magic have traded a lot of young players away, and most of em bit em. This guy is very likely to be the next Z/Sabonis, or bill walton..

CBBI
06-29-2005, 02:22 AM
The Cavaliers have to bring Andriuskevicius over to the U.S. this year simply because he won't get nearly enough playing time over in Europe. He needs to bulk up in the worst way and he also needs to get as much playing time as possible to continue the development of his skills.

The Cavs should bring him over, let him workout all summer at the Gund, then send him to the NBDL for a season of development. After his first year in the D league, bring him back to Cleveland to workout with the big team again for another summer, then send him back to the NBDL for a second season of development.

After that second year, he should have packed on a good 20 pounds of muscle and have developed enough to make the big team full time and hopefully earn some minutes.

TyGuy
06-29-2005, 03:22 AM
It is official! I am actually very excited about this move, its a low risk high reward situation. Danny Ferry comes from an orginization that has been absolutely fantastic at getting euro players with low picks.

“Martynas is a young, skilled big man who comes from the Sabonis School in Lithuania,” Ferry said. “He loves to play basketball and has a very good feel for the game. The combination of his size and skill are very rare. We are excited to have him in our program.” Danny Ferry

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/martynas_050628.html

Karma
06-29-2005, 03:41 AM
http://www.nba.com/media/draft2005/martynas_andriuskevicius.jpg
(mar-TEE-nas on-droos-KE-vee-choos)

Apparently that clears up how you pronounce his name! Clear as mud.

I guess his position with this franchise will depend upon what big guys we bring in.

Karma
06-29-2005, 04:03 AM
Predraft story on Marty
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/marty_burns/06/06/splitter/t1_martynas.jpg

CHICAGO -- Top draft prospect Martynas Andriuskevicius won't be playing at this year's annual NBA Pre-Draft camp which begins here Tuesday, but that doesn't mean he won't be showcasing his skills for the pro scouts.

Andriuskevicius, the 7-foot-3 Lithuanian considered a possible top 10 pick in the June 28 draft, will hold a private workout Thursday in Chicago for NBA clubs, according to his agent Herb Rudoy. There has been speculation that Andriuskevicius, whose stock appeared to be slipping over concerns about his thin frame, might withdraw his name from the draft. But Rudoy said that's not the case.

"We'll see what happens, but the plan right now is to keep him in the draft," Rudoy said. "We compare him to Zydrunas Ilgauskas at the same stage of his career. Ilgauskas weighed 215 pounds [when he was 19]. This kid is 235 and growing. He's getting bigger. He's got the right kind of frame. We think he'll be a top 10 pick."

While Andriuskevicius appears a safe bet to stay in the draft, fellow Rudoy client Tiago Splitter appears to be leaning the other way. Rudoy said a difficult buyout clause in Splitter's contract with his current pro team in Spain probably would cause the 6-11 power forward to withdraw his name from the June 28 draft. Splitter is regarded as one of the top power forward prospects in the field. The Knicks (No. , Warriors (No. 9) and Lakers (No. 10) were among the teams expected to take a serious look.

"We have a big problem [with the buyout]," Rudoy said. "We're working on it, but very likely he's not going to get out."

For Splitter it would mark the second year in row he pulled out of the NBA field at the last minute. The 20-year-old Brazilian is signed with his current club, Tau Ceramica, through 2008. Since NBA teams can only pay up to $350,000 toward a buyout, he would be forced to make up the difference. Right now the figure is too high, according to Rudoy.

"The good news is he's really becoming a terrific player," Rudoy said. "The bad news is he's really becoming a terrific player. They don't want to lose him.

"But either way it's going to work out. He just turned 20. He's only going to get better. We kept Manu Ginobili over there until he was 25, and when he came in he was prepared for the NBA. We can do the same thing here."

As for Andriuskevicius, it's hard to say where he will end up. The lanky pivotman barely got off the bench for his team in the Euroleague this past season, and the recent failures of Darko Milicic and Nikoloz Tskitishvili seemed to have cooled some NBA scouts on the idea of using high lottery picks on such undeveloped teen-aged foreign talents. But teams as high as the Blazers (No. 3) are said to be intrigued by his potential. In fact, Andriuskevicius hails from the same town in Lithuania as former Blazers center Arvydas Sabonis. While going to Portland at No. 3 might be a stretch, Andriuskevicius could possibly find himself in the 7-15 range where Splitter was expected to land.
A lot of it will come down to Andriuskevicius' workout on Thursday. Like many of the top 20 or so prospects in this year's draft field, Andriuskevicius won't be participating in the actual competitions at the Chicago pre-draft camp. His private workout then will be his one final chance to show his skills for the NBA scouts.

Rudoy says his client will not work out individually for any other teams after Thursday's event. "This is it," Rudoy said. "He'll meet with the teams there, and then he'll go back and play for his [national team]."

The Pre-Draft camp brings together around 65 of the top college players (other than those who are all but assured of going in the first round) to be weighed, measured and put through the paces over four days of drills and scrimmages. It is the last opportunity for NBA decision-makers to watch players in game-like environments before the draft. Among the players expected to play in Chicago this year are Illinois' Dee Brown, Florida's David Lee, North Carolina's Jawad Williams and Arizona's Salim Stoudamire. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/marty_burns/06/06/splitter/

TyGuy
06-29-2005, 04:14 AM
He looks like a young z with blonde hair.

PIP
06-29-2005, 04:39 AM
FOR GOD SAKES :eek: :eek: 1 FREAKIN ILGAUSKAS IS ENOUGH........

Mac
06-29-2005, 07:03 AM
1 Z is never enough.

Karma
06-29-2005, 07:07 AM
Marty A has one long neck. I realise being that tall, he would have a long neck, but it does look out of proportion. This breaks down to him playing a little shorter then the 7'2 size states. Not a big issue, but we gotta get that kid some meat and time in the gym.

Karma
06-29-2005, 07:15 AM
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/nba/teams/1/50x50c/cle_3.gif Cleveland Cavaliers – New general manager Danny Ferry inherited zero draft picks, yet he ended up trading for Martynas Andriuskevicius, the 7-3 Russian who can shoot the ball from the perimeter and is an active, athletic player. There are questions about his strength and he did not look good in predraft workouts, but this is a great gamble for Cleveland. He might turn into a good player.
Grade: B Draft Grades - Full Story (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=sk-reportcard062905&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

Mac
06-29-2005, 07:35 AM
Glad to see our Welsch trade paid off..

Atleast we got somebody, havent heard much about this kid, but obviously he isnt anywhere near ready, so looks like we have some time to wait before we see anything pay off with him.

Glen Infante
06-29-2005, 08:48 AM
Wow. I like what I've read so far. If he is indeed a younger version of Z, then we have suceeded in this year's draft.

I remember watching Z in his younger years and he was just fantastic. I wonder if this kid holds a 20 foot jumper also.

TruBuckeye22
06-29-2005, 09:06 AM
seems like a nice move, hopefully this kid makes it.

E-Light
06-29-2005, 09:50 AM
Marty A has one long neck. I realise being that tall, he would have a long neck, but it does look out of proportion. This breaks down to him playing a little shorter then the 7'2 size states. Not a big issue, but we gotta get that kid some meat and time in the gym.

He may have a long neck, but what 7' guy doesn't? Besides his head seems kind of short, it evens itself out. :chuckles:

1 thing that was questioned about him is his wingspan is 'only' 6'11, but it's good enough for me. :D

LyXo
06-29-2005, 10:14 AM
This kid is a fantastic pickup. Yea, he's 19, but I don't think we need him to contribute right away. I've been reading most of his scouting reports from last year, and he was actually promised a 7th pick by Phoenix, but wanted to be top 5, so he pulled out. This is a great steal for us at #44.

This should solidify Z staying here even more to help this kid develop. They're practically the same player. He's really, really skinny, but he can work up some muscle. Not too many 7'3 guys out there that can dribble and shoot.

Here's Yahoo's draft capsule:


Martynas Andriuskevicius Draft Capsule

June 28, 2005

VITALS: 7-2, 240, Zalgiris (Lithuania)

OVERVIEW: An early entry candidate in the 2004 draft before withdrawing his name from consideration, Andriuskevicius has spent the last two years learning from legendary Lithuanian center Arvydas Sabonis, who plays for the senior team. After playing with the junior squad in 2003-04, the 19-year-old averaged 4.4 points and shot 50 percent from the floor in 10 minutes with the senior team this year.


LIKELY DRAFT POSITION: Andriuskevicius surprisingly stayed in the draft despite not having a promise from any NBA team that it would take him early. Teams better structured to select him would be those who don't need him to develop quickly, and that means Indiana (17), Memphis (19) and Sacramento (23) are possible destinations.

COMPARATIVE UPSIDE: Zydrunas Ilgauskas

COMPARATIVE DOWNSIDE: Gregor Fucka

ROLE PROJECTION: Backup forward until he gains weight.

POSITIVES: Andriuskevicius can shoot the basketball and run the floor well. He is too thin now to play minutes at center or even power forward but might get onto an NBA court in the next two years because he can shoot the perimeter shot comfortably to about 20 feet. He came up through the same system that produced another 7-3 Lithuanian, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, and Ilgauskas also was very skinny at this stage of his career. Today, Ilgauskas is one of the better (and few) true centers in the NBA.

SHORTCOMINGS: Andriuskevicius is very thin and very weak. He just turned 19 and has plenty of physical development ahead of him. He is not ready to play in the NBA now and could be another Darko Milicic - a very talented player who is going require patience and a long-range view in order to succeed.

CBBI
06-29-2005, 10:20 AM
It's a no risk gamble.

This guy isn't going to sniff Cleveland for at least two years, but he's got loads of potential and with 28 million dollars in cap space, I personally think the Cavaliers can afford to wait.

This was a very Spurs-ese move by Ferry and I personally love it.

Rimage
06-29-2005, 11:00 AM
Why not take this risk. This team needs to be built around the Lebron James timeline. Get a young center that has big upside and in two years he maybe a young version of Z, which would help James out a lot.

If he pans out, we have a young talented front court for years to come. Now we just have to sign a young FA SG and PG to develope around James.

Plus losing our extra 2 gaurd in Jiri and freeing up cap space is plus in my mind no matter what.

King
06-29-2005, 12:02 PM
Im surprised he dropped this far in the draft. I think he's a bang or bust type player. He'll either be a really good player for us, or end up never getting off the bench, or even getting out of the nbdl(which would be ok since we didnt have to give away much to get him). He does sound like a young Z, but a lot more mobile. He wont be as good as Z though.

Pioneer10
06-29-2005, 01:57 PM
He's a project. He's predraft workout was nothing short of terrible.

He looked really weak going against some college scrub center and had terrible conditioning on top of that. Apparently, he got winded after going one on one after just a few plays.

He's got some physical gifts but it's going to be years before this guy will be able to contribute.

Well after bashing the dude for likley being a flop, great pickup in the second round: the correct place to gamble on a guy like Marty. I also think this might be a ploy by Ferry to give Z more reasons to resign for a cheaper contract: mentor the next Lithuanian center

highplainsdrifter
06-29-2005, 03:28 PM
I love this pick! Was considered a lottery pick and Jay Bilas had him at 19th best at the start of the draft. A steal at 44. A Z prototype.

Yes I think this will make Z want to stay, I think he'd really like to mentor this guy. I think Marty, Z, and Sabonis are all from the same hometown, Kaunas, Lithuania. Z loves Sabonis and Marty played with him. If only Z will sign for a reasonable contract...

NarlCavs
06-29-2005, 05:54 PM
I think this is a great move by the Cavs. Getting a skilled 19 year old 7-3 C in the mid second round is definitely worth a chance. Like has been said it's a low risk high reward move. It's also a move that well run organizations with quality front offices make. Hopefully a sign of things to come from the new regime.
I caught somewhere R.C. Buford, the Spurs GM, saying he was surprised Andriuskevicius dropped so far. Seemed the Spurs were also high on him which is a good sign.

He is going to take a few years to develop and needs a ton more weight and strength but has the potential to be well worth the wait.
This is also a player who was projected to be a lottery pick last year before he dropped out of the draft. To get him this late a year later is a great move.