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aggressivestyle
06-29-2005, 10:58 PM
Just heard it on 43 news. Any1 got any names that might be possibilities or who would you like to join the cavs?

cavincali
06-29-2005, 11:21 PM
coppenwrath,sp?, from vermont was a stud. wouldnt mind giving him a shot.

Karma
06-30-2005, 12:05 AM
Was that for the summer league team? That is what its most likely to be about.

Troy Wingate
06-30-2005, 12:16 AM
I want Big Luke! What sux though, is that the Adelaide 36ers are unable to sign him, but Paul Rogers is back in Adelaide, and the Sixers are able to offer him a rookie contract. Why can't they offer the same to Luke?

TyGuy
06-30-2005, 01:43 AM
Randolph Morris wasnt drafted and I think he would be a good pickup because marty will probably mr. nbdl for a couple seasons. Although same could be said about morris as well.

PIP
06-30-2005, 02:02 AM
he better make sure his ass is looking for a PG first

Karma
06-30-2005, 02:48 AM
Here's a link to the workout we held a little while back with some draft eligable guards. Chris Thomas is one player worth a look.

http://aol.nba.com/cavaliers/news/guarded_workout_050503.html

King
06-30-2005, 01:23 PM
We can scratch conroy off the list. He's on the Lakers summer league team.

Karma
06-30-2005, 05:15 PM
Here is a list of where some undrafted players will be playing

PG Chris Thomas- Indiana
PG Aaron Miles- NY and Seattle
PG Filiberto Rivera- Dallas
G Will Bynum- Boston
G Donell Taylor- Washington
PG Will COnroy- LA Lakers
PG David Logan- Indiana and Dallas
SG Kennedy Winston- Memphis, Seattle, or Dallas
SG Keith Langford- Dallas
G/F Eddie Basden- Chicago
G/F Rawle Marshall- Dallas
G/F Tre Simmons- Atlanta
F Omar Thomas- Chicago
F Taylor Coppenrath- Boston
G/F Tiras Wade- Miami

ChicagoCavFan
06-30-2005, 05:58 PM
All the big cities on the above list. Funny how none want to go to Memphis or Charlotte. :chuckles:

PIP
06-30-2005, 06:21 PM
i would have liked to seen will bynum in our camp-- even though he's in the wagner mold, "HE CAN GO LEFT" and shoot just as deep..

i don't what he is thinking ? with a similar player like banks, and also with them having delonte west, he won't make that squad....

Mac
06-30-2005, 06:58 PM
Wagner has a ton of talent, but at 19, everybody expected Allen Iverson and gave him no time.

Unfortunent he was injured and couldnt prove himself, but your comments are laughable at best.

PIP
06-30-2005, 07:30 PM
clearly your're a fan..

wagner is a chucker and that's it.. to put him in the same sentence with iverson is crazy..

he has no handle, and all he ever had was a right handed floater going right--
he has some range- but once he went around the league once- everybody had him figured out..

it's one thing to argue "Z" but actually trying to make an argument for "DADDY WAGS" is just sad as hell....

no "D"
no left hand
can't play the point
and seemed lazy

CAN'T ARGUE ANY OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

West Remy
06-30-2005, 07:45 PM
Wagner played scared. He wasn't even the same player after his 1st year. What is odd is at the Summer League in the past, I saw him crossing up Barbosa going left. But come game time, Wagner is petrified stiff. I can't explain it. Some athletes get too cerebral and it wrecks their performance. Everything isn't always about talent. Much like Dan Dickau, I believe Dajuan can salvage his career elsewhere.

Karma
06-30-2005, 07:46 PM
Sorry Mac, but I will be going with LeBron's Pippen here. Wagner whilst not having a good run with injuries did not suceed due to a complete lack of desire which meant his weaknesses as stated above were badly exposed. Sad but true.

Mac
06-30-2005, 08:06 PM
Like I said.

He was 19 and people expected Allen Iverson.

He had no chance to succeed, expectations and injuries, to knock him is laughable because he never had a chance to prove himself.

Everything you said is a farce, he was never healthy to play to his full capability.

I was a fan, he didnt have the best shot selection, but he certainly had talent and could have been a good player had he got the chance to develope.

To flat out say he "cant" do those things on your list, is complete bullshit honestly.

So you can take your caps and !s and take em to somebody who is dumb, im obviously not going for that crap.

Dont pass opinion for facts, that's all I ask. I can call a spaide a spaide and say he had his weaknesses, but again, dont say 'cant' because there is no way in hell you can prove that or even make a case for that matter.

He never had a chance, end at that.

PIP
06-30-2005, 08:20 PM
why do you feel the need to get so defensive when someone doesn't agree with "THE MAC'S" opinion ? no one is attacking you- or your style of posting. i don't give a **** who you think you are, but for me that won't fly.

i suggest you pipedown son..

yeah i said he couldn't do that stuff, because he didn't do it..

IMO if he could, he would- if he showed other parts of his game that would have lead to better numbers, and thus THE BIGGER contract. so why didn't he ? he is either the worse businessman in the game- or he couldn't do it. PERIOD.

hurt or not- when he was on the court, other then his first 11 or 12 games, he did nothing..

so the hell with him...........

Mac
06-30-2005, 09:22 PM
You should probably make that last time you ever call me son..

I dont care who agrees or disagrees with my opinion, I got upset over the simple fact that you tried to pass opinion as fact, and thats not going to fly.

He was 19 years old, he had a pretty good rookie year despite a late start, and a late injury.

What do you people expect from him? To come in right away and be a superstar?

Why doesnt Juanny get the chance to progress? Why didnt he have the chance to get past his rookie year and second year?

He was labled a bust because most people who dont like him became fans when Lebron became a Cavalier.

Dajuan got no grace period, every other rookie in the world gets time to develope, Wags got none.

For injury reasons, he was a bust. Its too bad, because he could really help this team with a scoring punch off the bench, but that phase of his career is over, it's now up to him to get his life straight and his body healthy to play ball.

But the bottom line still remains that he never had a chance to prove himself outside of his rookie year.

You dont drop 13 PPG and say he didnt have a good year except for "10 games" thats complete crap.

His second season was a diseaster, he was injured, didnt get very good minutes and his third year we all know what happened.

How was he supposed to get a big contract when hes played 80 some games in three years?

How ignorant is that? He has had knee problems and for a player that needs good knees, he is going to have a hard time earning a roster spot, and really, who knows if he is even in playing shape right now. We got no health updates throughout his ordeal this past year.

Like I said, I dont care if you agree with me or not, never have, and never will. Just dont pass opinion for fact. Dont say a player cant do something when you dont know.

PIP
06-30-2005, 09:43 PM
let me start by saying "i'm not trying to get an attitude with you bro" but you seriously need to tone down on the attack.

what he did out on the court- was basically nothing..

i understand that he was hurt, and i'm not talking about the wagner that was sitting in his sean john watching the games....

i did see a promising future- when he started his first game against the kings.
i was also thrilled when he dropped his 30 point games-- but even when i go back and view those games, he still only did a couple things- shoot 3's, and throw a runner (usally off the glass) going right..

that was it mac..

he clearly has talent, he wouldn't have been picked 6th if he didn't-- but to even suggest that he has those things (that i said he didn't have, would also be ridiculous) or even defending him is..

why wouldn't he have shown those parts of his game then ? (when he was out there)

there was plenty of articles about his left hand, his defense, and his ability to run the offense. I JUST DIDN'T MAKE IT UP. the guy is limited in what he can do.

Mac
06-30-2005, 09:55 PM
The kid was 19...which blows my mind on how people can be so dead set on their opinion of him when he never had a chance.

Its not like he was a 5 year vet and the problem was in stone. Every rookie has things to work on.

And a 19 year old coming in and getting 13 a game, is not "nothing". It was def. promise, and potential, but we will never know, the only thing Im arguing is dont pass opinion for fact.

He isnt going to be with the Cavs next year, so what happens, I really care less, on the court that is.

PIP
06-30-2005, 10:06 PM
well we can agree about him not being here..so whatever happens with him, doesn't affect us.

i just wonder how he would've done as the non focal point ?

because even though he was a rookie, the offense ran thru him when he was out there- and not slick rick "THE DON"

just look at the number of shots wags put up per game his rookie year.-- in the short time that he did play in the LeBRON era- he struggled with his offense, and getting involved at all in the offense.

Karma
06-30-2005, 10:09 PM
So, how about those undrafted kiddies. Any word whether Schensher is coming yet? LOL

E-Light
06-30-2005, 10:11 PM
Poking eachother in the shoulder, in the same place, with a rhythme, eh?

PIP
06-30-2005, 10:12 PM
So, how about those undrafted kiddies. Any word whether Schensher is coming yet? LOL
yeah i get it...

a little argument between myself and MAC -- it's all love though-- hell, every now and then i need one of those..

so if anything, THANKS MAC- it was fun..

CBBI
06-30-2005, 10:30 PM
Like I said.

He was 19 and people expected Allen Iverson.

He had no chance to succeed, expectations and injuries, to knock him is laughable because he never had a chance to prove himself.

Everything you said is a farce, he was never healthy to play to his full capability.

I was a fan, he didnt have the best shot selection, but he certainly had talent and could have been a good player had he got the chance to develope.

To flat out say he "cant" do those things on your list, is complete bullshit honestly.

So you can take your caps and !s and take em to somebody who is dumb, im obviously not going for that crap.

Dont pass opinion for facts, that's all I ask. I can call a spaide a spaide and say he had his weaknesses, but again, dont say 'cant' because there is no way in hell you can prove that or even make a case for that matter.

He never had a chance, end at that.

Riiiiiight.

Glen Infante
06-30-2005, 10:51 PM
Wagner was a dissapointment to keep it at best.

I had high hopes on him when he got drafted and loved his game when he was healthy.

But after the injuries, the kid just didn't care anymore. He lacked desire and determination to get back on the court, and that wasn't going to fly with a coach like Silas. It's too bad really, I would like to see him get one more chance, but its too late.

E-Light
06-30-2005, 10:59 PM
Wagner may very well end up in prison before his next nba game. When you get out of the hood you don't go back. he already got into trouble because he borrowed his car to a friend, who drove off and killed a man. Yet, he still hangs out in compton, campton whatever the hell they call it. If ye only had a brain.

King
06-30-2005, 11:06 PM
If he never had all those injuries and illnesses I think he would be a solid scorer off the bench for us.

I dont think he would have ever been able to be a starter because of his height and his selfish mentality. He was a bit of a ballhog, even in last year's summer league.

I still think Dajuan will find a place in the league if he gets healthy. I can see him develloping into a solid sixth man.

PIP
06-30-2005, 11:15 PM
If he never had all those injuries and illnesses I think he would be a solid scorer off the bench for us.

I dont think he would have ever been able to be a starter because of his height and his selfish mentality. He was a bit of a ballhog, even in last year's summer league.

I still think Dajuan will find a place in the league if he gets healthy. I can see him develloping into a solid sixth man.
perhaps a poor mans ben gordon.. like the role he played in chicago.

Hail to the Thief
06-30-2005, 11:20 PM
I prefer to compare Wagner to a poor mans Greg Graham, or Tony Dumas to an extent.

Pioneer10
07-01-2005, 01:34 AM
Wagner needs to go someplace else. He clearly has talent (a very nice smooth looking jumper in particluar and a strong frame) and I think being cut will be the best thing for him in the long run.

As previously mentioned he has to learn to use left hand both off the dribble and finishing. Absolutely inexcusable that he didn't seems to be able to just drive with his left last year and if he puts time into it he will catch on with some team. It's a shame really he would have been a perfect PG for Lebron in some sense. Since Lebron will always dominate the ball a guy like Wagner with his shooting and scoring would have fit well with the Cavs as he would could have been a primary outlet forLebron

CleveRocks
07-01-2005, 08:19 AM
I can't believe we are talking about Wagner. We wasted a lot of type last year and the year before about his potential and weaknesses. The way I see it, Diop will get a starting job before wagner does. It CBA time for him.

TruBuckeye22
07-01-2005, 11:50 AM
PG Chris Thomas- Indiana
PG Aaron Miles- NY and Seattle
PG Filiberto Rivera- Dallas
G Will Bynum- Boston
G Donell Taylor- Washington
PG Will COnroy- LA Lakers
PG David Logan- Indiana and Dallas
SG Kennedy Winston- Memphis, Seattle, or Dallas
SG Keith Langford- Dallas
G/F Eddie Basden- Chicago
G/F Rawle Marshall- Dallas
G/F Tre Simmons- Atlanta
F Omar Thomas- Chicago
F Taylor Coppenrath- Boston
G/F Tiras Wade- Miami

don't see Jawad Williams on the list. i would still like to see the Cavaliers give him a look. i think he was an underachiever at UNC but in the right situation could turn into a good pro.

PIP
07-01-2005, 12:29 PM
jawad is on the warriors summer league squad