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LBJHeath
09-26-2007, 11:29 AM
The Cavaliers, as everyone here knows gets very little respect from the rest of the league, or outsiders, for making the NBA finals last season.

Here is a quote from the Los Angeles Times:


written by:Mark Heisler

Even more dismaying than seeing Greg Oden and Kevin Durant coming West was the sight of LeBron James taking his raggedy Cleveland Cavaliers, who might not have made the playoffs in the West, to the Finals in June.


mark.heisler@latimes.com



Is this benefitial to the Cavaliers? Will they be taken lightly? Will it motivate them more?

B Mac
09-26-2007, 11:36 AM
Someone ask Marky what the Cavaliers record was against the West last year. Im sure he is one of those that still feels his beloved Lakers are better than the Cavs.

Maximus
09-26-2007, 11:53 AM
That woud be an NBA BEST 19-11 against the West, BMac.
"Cleveland Cavaliers, who might not have made the playoffs in the West"??? What a jackass.

chiefwahoo
09-26-2007, 12:05 PM
This flawed logic always makes me laugh. We played 30 of our 82 games against the West - a significant sample - and actually had a higher winning percentage (.633) against the West than against the East (.557).

If writers actual did some research instead of just spouting off opinions that aren't based on any facts, we'd all by a lot better off. BTW, the Lakers were 14-16 against the East (.466). Maybe we should be saying they wouldn't have made the playoffs if they were in the East :chuckles:

_amon _ones
09-26-2007, 12:15 PM
Maybe he is just upset that the Cavs, who made it all the way to the finals last year, and have kept their roster pretty much the same, are still way ahead with our superstar than the Lakers, a team whose "big changes" for the summer consisted of adding Derek Fisher after he begged to play in a big city with a cancer treatment center for his daughter, are with their superstar.

Unfortunately for Mr. Heisler, the truth is too painful for him to write about, so he has to attack a team that he obviously knows nothing about.

CornerThree
09-26-2007, 12:50 PM
I may go ahead and email this crackpot. Anyone have a link to the full story.

chiefwahoo
09-26-2007, 12:56 PM
I may go ahead and email this crackpot. Anyone have a link to the full story.

I'm such a loser, I already e-mailed him. Here's the full story:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-heisler26sep26,1,7129592.column?coll=la-home-sports

The blurb about the Cavs is on page 2.

Jon
09-26-2007, 01:07 PM
Is this benefitial to the Cavaliers? Will they be taken lightly? Will it motivate them more?

No. Not really. Every team gets up to try to beat LeBron. If teams actually feared the Cavs, then we'd have the intimidation factor working for us, and most importantly would get a larger benefit of the doubt from the refs. Albeit the later has been improving as the team improves ... one of the most delightful sights from last season was the Pistons whining to the refs because they weren't getting every call (like they're used to).

Maximus
09-26-2007, 01:09 PM
I emailed him right after I threw up in my mouth...

CornerThree
09-26-2007, 01:17 PM
/i emailed him as well.

cav jvl
09-26-2007, 02:21 PM
Obviously, he is just a hack who could not quite make it in Hollywood or porn. So now he is stuck writing about losing LA basketball teams and is unhappy. I plan to ignore him and continue to enjoy witnessing the Cavs and Indians rising to new and exciting heights.

NarlCavs
09-26-2007, 02:51 PM
It doesn't bother me that much. Hopefully the Cavs will go out this year and prove people and comments like this wrong.

The Cavs would have made the playoffs in the West but looking objectively they might not have gotten homecourt.

Nicky
09-26-2007, 03:01 PM
It's the fact that he put the word "raggedy" in front of Cavilers.
I understand that most people didn't expect us to make it to the finals.
But to show complete disrespect is a new low. Obviously we are a better team than what he thought. And I'm sure it was pure and utter disgust for him when we beat Detroit.

I'm sure the Cavilers will take the high road on this, but the fans will not.

Thanks for posting his email Heath!

Pioneer10
09-26-2007, 03:49 PM
The Cavs aren't exactly a fun team to watch. So if you're fan of a Western team the way the Cavs play is really pretty "raggedly"

The no respect thing is partly due to the fact we're a very good defensive team that really can play some ugly, inefficient offense and partly due to the fact that nobody who writes in LA paper wants to believe that a single guy can lead a bunch of mediocre talent far. i.e. if Kobe can't do it and we know Kobe is better then Lebron then it's just a matter of one conference being better then the other.

Jon
09-26-2007, 04:08 PM
The top 10 scoring teams in the nba (including the Lakers and Suns) averaged 103.38 PPG, but gave up 102.7 for a diff of 0.68

The next 10 top scoring teams in the nba (including the Cavs and Spurs) averaged 97.78 PPG but gave up 96.83 for a diff of 0.91.

The bottom 10 scoring teams in the nba (including the Pistons and Miami) averaged 95.1 PPG while giving up 96.7 PPG for a diff of -1.59

There seems to be a sweet spot when it comes to scoring ...

ChicagoCavFan
09-26-2007, 04:23 PM
What a blowhard. Jackass.

BULKHEAD
09-26-2007, 04:57 PM
It all comes down to one thing. These major market teams and there media can't handle the fact that they are getting smoked by mid market teams every year. It all starts with ESPN and trickles down through the paper media. San Antonio has the same problem. A week after they smoke the rest of the west its back to major market talk on every sports show. No props for the small boys. And if I remember correctly the raggedy CAVS showed Kobe and the Slackers how it was on national TV.

crazedcav333
09-26-2007, 06:16 PM
Well when you worship Kibe Bryant for being unstoppable and then LeBron has the greatest 20 minutes in basketball history, that may make some people out west bitter.

Change is a nasty thing, isn't it LA?

acesclone
09-26-2007, 06:19 PM
Well it doesn't help that the CAVS got swept by the Spurs in FOUR games, NONE that the Spurs were really ever in danger of losing.

Like the saying goes....you EARN respect. The CAVS have not earned it IMO.

However, the cities on both coasts can bite the big one. They just can't understand how much they suck.

Maximus
09-26-2007, 06:56 PM
Well it doesn't help that the CAVS got swept by the Spurs in FOUR games, NONE that the Spurs were really ever in danger of losing.

We lost the games 3&4 by a total of 4 points. Game 4 was by 1 freaking point...how could you say they were never in danger of losing any of the games? Those games were without Larry Hughes. Tough to earn respect in the finals when one of your top 3 players plays 2 games crippled and misses the other 2 completely. Give us a healthy Hughes and it's a diffent Finals...take away Ginobili and we might have a ring.

jason436
09-26-2007, 08:46 PM
The West doesn't have the Garnett or Ray Allen in the West, plus Oden's out for the year. There are very good teams in the west don't get me wrong but there will also be some cream puffs, especially this year.

acesclone
09-27-2007, 03:02 AM
We lost the games 3&4 by a total of 4 points. Game 4 was by 1 freaking point...how could you say they were never in danger of losing any of the games? Those games were without Larry Hughes. Tough to earn respect in the finals when one of your top 3 players plays 2 games crippled and misses the other 2 completely. Give us a healthy Hughes and it's a diffent Finals...take away Ginobili and we might have a ring.


Point totals aside I never at ANY time felt the CAVS were going to pull out any of those games. Any time we got any momentum the SPURS just put the starting line up back in. It was like we were being toyed with. I was never on the edge of my seat. It was like we were not even there.......and I was pulling HARD for US.

All "healthy Hughes" hopes are pipe dreams. The guy is NEVER healthy when it counts.

The CAVS need a PG so bad it hurts. Until they get that piece we will be hard pressed to repeat.

Sure, I hope Gibson can step up or Hughes can stay healthy but neither player is really going to be an all star PG.......or even an excellent one. Both guys might be "good enough" on this team.

I know the CAVS will easily make the playoffs again but IMO it is NOT a LOCK for us to even make the ECF.

KI4MVP
09-27-2007, 03:22 AM
Even without Larry, Game 3 was ours until this play

0:13 72-70 Anderson Varejao misses layup

Until that play we had won a ton of playoff games that had played out very much like game 3.

Game 4 was a weird one - LeBron was up half the night with his baby being born and then had several uncharacteristic unforced turnovers, as a team we shot 38%, we were outrebounded, as a team we only got to the line 16 times and shot just 69% when we did get there, we were down 3-0 in the series, yet still only lost by 1 point. A win in game 3 would have likely given us enough of a confidence boost to overcome that 1 point.

Having Larry for both games and we almost certainly win both.

ChicagoCavFan
09-27-2007, 08:49 AM
Actually, that last game we lost by 4 - wasn't there a meaningless 3 hit by Jones at the end.

Just saying though. I also feel if we had Larry playing, we would've won game 3 and possibly 4.

Jon
09-27-2007, 01:26 PM
Having Larry would have helped, but the Spurs refused to play our game. Everyone else had run their starters ragged trying to keep up with us. We would keep the score close, and pull ahead in the 4th.

Bowen played huge minutes trying to stay up with LeBron, and somehow he did it. Simply amazing. The rest of them had their minutes managed well and simply did not fold due to exhaustion like other teams had.

With Larry in and hobbled, he couldn't deal with Parker's speed. With Larry out, Gibson had to do more and play more, and it detracted from his game. In that series, we seemed like the team that finally ran out of gas. They forced us to make jumpers, and they simply were not falling - which is always a sign of tired legs. What'd we shoot for the series? I'm not sure we even broke 40%. That's not *all* the Spur's doing.

The Spurs are just honed, while the Cavs are still figuring things out. We used our youth and energy to propel us in the playoffs, the Spurs used their smarts and experience to conserve their energy.

Did we threaten? Yeah, sure. At times. But they always had the energy and clutch shooting they needed when they needed it.

imahustla
09-27-2007, 02:01 PM
I went a step further. I posted about it on my blog.

Maximus
09-27-2007, 07:35 PM
I got a reponse from the email I sent -




i didn't mean to dis cleveland, as much as the east but there is it

i know their record.

my opinion is just my opinion so there's no way of knowing. however, if the cavs made it back to the finals this season, get in touch and i'll definitely concede they must have been a lot better than i thought they were

mh

His response looks like it was written by a 5th grader...or Cali.

Pioneer10
09-27-2007, 07:54 PM
I got a reponse from the email I sent -



His response looks like it was written by a 5th grader...or Cali.
That's a blackberry/treo reply there lol. I know firsthand because my texts/emails from my treo always end up being not properly capitalized with text errors

Doctor K
09-27-2007, 08:07 PM
I got a reponse from the email I sent -



His response looks like it was written by a 5th grader...or Cali.My bad.. I was on public transportation, and I kept getting hit up for change...

chiefwahoo
09-27-2007, 08:11 PM
Well, this guy has made me a big time anti-Lakers person... here's his response to me:



dear matt

let's talk in april

mh

KI4MVP
09-27-2007, 09:09 PM
That's a blackberry/treo reply there lol. I know firsthand because my texts/emails from my treo always end up being not properly capitalized with text errors

you need an iPhone

DDJ7777
09-27-2007, 09:36 PM
That's funny he can rip on the Cavs now, but won't discuss them any further until April? What a moron, he needs to stop typing out of his ass.

CornerThree
09-27-2007, 09:42 PM
yeah, i got a similar response, but at least he answered.

Pioneer10
09-27-2007, 10:50 PM
you need an iPhone
I'll think about it when the at&t plan gets less expensive. I've used a palm device since they first came (i.e. '98) so it will be hard for me to drop a palm particularly with that monthly carrying cost.

DDJ7777
09-27-2007, 10:57 PM
Actually, once you get past the initial cost of the iPhone, the plans are actually quite reasonable.

Pioneer10
09-28-2007, 12:15 AM
Actually, once you get past the initial cost of the iPhone, the plans are actually quite reasonable.
I pay less then half of the cheapest iphone rates and have more minutes. I'm not going to pay that much for a piss poor network download speed, particularly when I don't have a lot of wifi hotspots around me.

cavincali
09-28-2007, 12:47 AM
I got a reponse from the email I sent -



His response looks like it was written by a 5th grader...or Cali.

:fu:

jealously is a horrible thing, I would not have imagined that the great city of smog, I mean LA, would be over Cleveland. :chuckles:

KI4MVP
09-28-2007, 01:11 AM
I pay less then half of the cheapest iphone rates and have more minutes. I'm not going to pay that much for a piss poor network download speed, particularly when I don't have a lot of wifi hotspots around me.

you can get 450 minutes and unlimited data for just $30/month? What carrier do you get that from?

Too much is made of network speeds too - I have wifi in my home and most of the time don't even bother to turn it on because the EDGE is plenty fast. I'll turn it on if I'm going to play stream video, but other than that, there's no real point. And you can't beat have a real web browser that you can zoom and pan with a touch.

Pioneer10
09-28-2007, 01:44 AM
you can get 450 minutes and unlimited data for just $30/month? What carrier do you get that from?

Too much is made of network speeds too - I have wifi in my home and most of the time don't even bother to turn it on because the EDGE is plenty fast. I'll turn it on if I'm going to play stream video, but other than that, there's no real point. And you can't beat have a real web browser that you can zoom and pan with a touch.
Sprint unpublished rate (i.e. kept threatening for years to quit and got better deals along the way).

Jon
09-28-2007, 03:24 PM
The Sprint SERO (Sprint Employee Referal) plan includes 500 minutes per month and unlimited data using their EVDO network. They haven't actually required the employee referal part for a long time. Do a web search and you'll find a lot of info about it.

Karma
09-28-2007, 06:34 PM
Respect will be in bucketloads with Devin and Vranes on board.