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2nd round of the NFL supplemental draft today. I'm so pumped we got him, big physical freak, monster hands, 4.4-4.5 speed.

6'3" 224 elite speed, finally got a prototypical #1 WR in terms of measurables. Now we have to see if he can develop mentally.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I was also told that between A.J. Green and Julio Jones, Josh Gordon was closer to Green.</p>&mdash; Tony Grossi (@TonyGrossi) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyGrossi/status/223468312888229888" data-datetime="2012-07-12T17:26:12+00:00">July 12, 2012</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I heard this morning that Josh Gordon would be a top 10 pick in 2013. Evidently, <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%2523Browns">#Browns</a> agreed.</p>&mdash; Tony Grossi (@TonyGrossi) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyGrossi/status/223468050249289730" data-datetime="2012-07-12T17:25:09+00:00">July 12, 2012</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Source said <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%2523Browns">#Browns</a> had Josh Gordon in for a visit last week. Gave him physical and thorough interview. It was love at first sight.</p>&mdash; Tony Grossi (@TonyGrossi) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyGrossi/status/223468696209862657" data-datetime="2012-07-12T17:27:43+00:00">July 12, 2012</a></blockquote>
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That is a risky move by the Browns. The guy hasn't played in 2 years so using what would seem to be a high 2nd round pick on him is a lot. However; if he can live up to that kind of praise, it was a pretty cheap and shrewd move. Grossi also said he scored a 24 on a wonderlick exam which is pretty high for a WR.
 
Can someone give me a detailed scouting report? I don't know much at all about him save for the fact that he hasn't played much and that he's an athletic specimen.
 
So why is he in the Supplemental Draft?
 
Dan Kadar: Much has been made of Gordon's "character issues". In my opinion, and as a former teammate of Gordon's, I have to say that I think these character issues are overblown. Josh is a shy person and is very quiet.

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/7/11/3154164/nfl-supplemental-draft-2012-josh-gordon-scouting-report

Gordon is an absolute physical specimen. I knew just from watching him on the field in practice and during workouts that he was someone who undoubtedly possessed next-level talent. As only a true sophomore, he was built similarly to Terrell Owens. He has long arms with a wingspan of 82" inches. His hands are huge. At Baylor, the largest receiver gloves available were XXL. Gordon's hands were so big he never strapped up his gloves so he could have better hand and wrist mobility. His hands were very smooth and natural when catching the football and at his pro day workout on Tuesday this was evident -- he did not drop a pass.

Just the measurables alone, (6'3" and 224) make Gordon an intriguing NFL prospect. On top of the large physique, he also has speed. I know at his pro day he was clocked at a 4.52 forty-yard-dash but he also hurt his quad during that run. I know for a fact that at Baylor he timed in the low 4.4's and was on the verge of breaking into the high 4.3 range. Physically, he is a rare breed and this is what makes him such a tantalizing prospect for many NFL teams - former NFL scout Russ Lande wrote today that "based purely on film evaluation, Gordon is a better prospect than Brian Quick (St. Louis Rams) and Stephen Hill (New York Jets), both of whom were second-round picks in April."

Much has been made of Gordon's "character issues". In my opinion, and as a former teammate of Gordon's, I have to say that I think these character issues are overblown. Josh is a shy person and is very quiet. I will admit that I didn't get to know him very well when he was at Baylor, but he was always kind to me in any interaction I ever had with him. He was a good teammate and always worked hard at practice. He also showed a sincere willingness to want to get better at his craft. One thing I remember Josh struggling with was route-running because our receivers coach at the time, Dino Babers, wanted precise, perfect routes from Gordon. Also, In my opinion, I don't think he gave it everything he had in the weight room. Maybe my opinion of him in the weight room is unfair, but that's my two cents.

I can assure you that Gordon is not the type of person to get into trouble with the law, it's just not his personality. He's not violent or aggressive off of the field. Yes, he did struggle with marijuana at Baylor but it seems as if he has moved on from that and learned his lesson. Also, I'd just like to state that the coaching staff at Baylor wanted to give Gordon another chance, but the university demanded that he be released from the program. In the grand scheme of things, it's not a crazy revelation that a football player smoked some marijuana.



During the 2010 season, Gordon had 42 catches for 714 yards and 7 touchdowns. Against the 2011 TCU Rose Bowl winning team (which had a great defense), Gordon hauled in a 53-yard touchdown. Against Rice he had a 46-yard touchdown. His best game was against Kansas when he had 4 catches, 161 yards, and 2 touchdowns - including a 94-yard touchdown on a screen pass where he easily outran the entire secondary. Another notable game was when he had 7 catches for 141 yards and two touchdowns against Kansas State.

Even though he only did it for one year, the production in 2010 as a true sophomore was excellent. A popular opinion among many people associated with Baylor football was that Josh Gordon had more talent and ability than 2012 first round draft pick Kendall Wright. Unfortunately for Baylor fans, they really only got to see one season of Gordon's talent. Imagine what Gordon might have been able to do with another year of catching passes from RG3? Gordon's sophomore production likely would have led to an even better 2011 season and his draft stock would have soared in Baylor's high-octane offense.

Because of the sky-high potential, Gordon adds some intrigue to the 2012 NFL Supplemental Draft, taking place today. At his pro day workout on Tuesday, several teams were represented, including the Seahawks.

NFL Best Case:

Gordon is someone who could eventually be a Pro Bowl player. I compare his game to Terrell Owens. He is deceptively fast and has the ability to hit the home run. He is also extremely talented with the ball in his hands and creating yards after the catch. He is tough to bring down and it usually requires multiple hits and defenders to tackle him. He uses his body well to block the defender and has the ability to get up and snag the ball at its highest point. Not in the immediate future, but eventually I think Gordon can be a #1 receiver. Had he stayed at Baylor, I think he would have been their #1 receiver this past year, even ahead of Kendall Wright. In today's NFL, I think he could develop to be a player similar to Brandon Marshall.

NFL Worst Case:

I can't see Gordon being a complete bust. I think he'll remain in the league for at least a while because of his physical ability and high potential. But even in a worst case scenario, I think the worst he could do is be a member of a team's 53 man roster and be a backup. I can't foresee his perceived "character issues" being a reason he would be out of the NFL. Maybe I'm naive, but I sincerely believe he is a good guy and his days of trouble are in the past.

What I Think Will Actually Happen:

I think Gordon will be a contributing receiver for any NFL team. I see him as being someone like Laurent Robinson. A guy who plays in the league for a few years and has up and down years as far as production goes. I think it's safe to predict he'll have highlight moments in the NFL but he also might have moments where you forget he's on the field.

Seahawks Outlook on Gordon:

With the Seahawks identity being a physical, run-first offense, I can't see the Hawks really going aggressively after Josh Gordon. I think the Seahawks will end up placing a very conservative 5th round bid for him, just in case he falls and maybe the Hawks can get lucky and land someone with his caliber of talent at a premium discount rate.

In the Seahawks offense, I think Gordon would be able to contribute on the outside. If the Hawks got Gordon, then I think big Mike Williams could immediately kiss his time as a Seahawk goodbye. Gordon would, in my opinion, quickly take Mike's spot opposite of Sidney Rice. He is far more athletic than Williams and has the edge in speed, elusiveness, hands, and of course, youth.

By now I should have learned my lesson to not even try to predict what the Pete Carroll regime will do. After all, nobody had the Hawks taking Bruce Irvin with the 15th overall pick. All the things that Irvin has, Gordon also has: speed, upside, potential and "character issues". I'd be shocked if the Hawks bid aggressively for Gordon, but then again maybe I should never be shocked at what Pete Carroll might do, after Seattle's last few drafts.
 
So why is he in the Supplemental Draft?

Financial issues at home. He was going to play for Utah, but changed his mind two days before the cut off of the Supplemental Draft. Was suspended indefinitely from Baylor for failing a drug test *weed.*
 
NFL Best Case:

Gordon is someone who could eventually be a Pro Bowl player. I compare his game to Terrell Owens.

Yes please.
 
In October 2010, Gordon and teammate Willie Jefferson were arrested after they fell asleep in a drive-through line at a Taco Bell. Police found marijuana in Jefferson’s car. Jefferson, who was driving, was kicked off the team because it was his second violation.


Well done boys, well done.

Probably won't see too much of this kid in 2012, but my hope is he can make a Greg Little-esque turnaround with hard work.

This kid is super raw.
 
http://network.yardbarker.com/college_football/article_external/josh_gordon_scouting_report/11195761

Josh Gordon Scouting Report
By Charlie Campbell

Strengths:
*Excellent size
*Solid hands
*Physical
*Dangerous with ball in his hands
*Picks up yards after the catch
*Is a red-zone weapon
*Good third-down receiver
*Leaping ability
*Scheme versatility

Weaknesses:
*Will his speed translate to the NFL?
*Quickness?
*Year-long suspension for drug issue
*Runs too upright
*Raw, unpolished


Summary: Gordon is an interesting athlete who looked like he was on the cusp of turning into a good pro prospect. He caught four passes for 65 yards as a freshman in 2009. Gordon served as a nice complementary receiver to Kendall Wright in 2010. Quarterback Robert Griffin III went primarily to Wright, but Gordon was a solid contributor as a sophomore. He totaled 42 receptions for 714 yards and seven touchdowns.

Gordon logged two 100-yard receiving games in his collegiate career. The first came against Kansas with 161 yards and two scores on four catches. He took a screen pass 94-yards for a touchdown against the Jayhawks. His second 100-yard outing came against Kansas State with seven receptions for 141 yards and two scores.

Colorado featured cornerback Jimmy Smith that season, a future first-round pick, and Gordon didn't record a catch in that game. Against good competition Gordon was held in check: Texas (2-23), Oklahoma State (3-29), Texas A&M (3-35) and Oklahoma (2-13) all kept him out of the end zone.

Baylor suspended Gordon heading into his junior season for what he said was a marijuana problem. Gordon transfered to Utah, but never played for the Utes as he sat out the 2011 season per NCAA transfer rules. Rather than play for Utah and improve his stock before going pro, Gordon decided to enter the NFL's 2012 supplemental draft.

Gordon ran the 40-yard dash in the 4.5s at his pro day workout, a time slower than expected. He could fit a variety of offenses in the NFL. Gordon would definitely be a nice fit in a West Coast offense as a Z (flanker) receiver. He has the size to work the middle of the field. Gordon also is a potential red-zone weapon.

Player Comparison: Josh Morgan. When Gordon is playing well, his playing style reminds me of Morgan. They both have some size and play-making ability. Morgan was really starting to be dangerous for San Francisco before he went down with an injury. Washington is excited to have him now. Morgan was a sixth-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft. There is a decent chance that Gordon could be selected with a third-day pick.

NFL Matches: Philadelphia, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Miami, Indianapolis

There are plenty of wide receiver-needy teams that could use Gordon. The Eagles are showing interest in him, and he could be a developmental backup for a couple of years. The Browns really needs help at wide receiver, and Gordon would be a nice scheme fit in their West Coast offense.

The Jaguars have a weak wide receiving corps, and Gordon could serve as actual competition for playing time with Jacksonville. The Dolphins' lack of talent at wide receiver is well known. They have a big need at the position, and Gordon would fit their offense. The Colts need to buildup a receiving corps for Andrew Luck, so he could be a quality developmental piece for Indianapolis.

Typically, supplemental draft prospects go lower than the hype they receive prior to draft day. That group includes Terrelle Pryor, Harvey Unga, Jared Gaither and Jeremy Jarmon from recent years. It wouldn't be surprising if Gordon goes for a third-day draft pick. A second-day draft pick would be questionable considering his lack of production and off-the-field problems.
 
Love, love, love having a high upside potential #1 WR finally. We were going to take a WR next year anyway so it's not like we weren't going to spend a high pick on one... it may be a steep price but look at the guys who have gone in the 2nd in the past 5 years (excluding 2012):

2011 - Titus Young, Torrey Smith, Greg Little, Randall Cobb
2010 - Dexter McCluster, Arrelious Benn, Golden Tate
2009 - Brian Robiskie, Mohammed Massaquoi
2008 - Donnie Avery, Devin Thomas, Jordy Nelson, James Hardy, Eddie Royal, Jerome Simpson, DeSean Jackson, Malcolm Kelly, Limas Sweed, Dexter Jackson
2007 - Sidney Rice, Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith (the injured one)

How many of those guys profile as #1s? I'd argue even the best on that list (DeSean, Nelson, Rice) are complementary guys and there are TONS of busts. The point is, drafting a WR is a gamble regardless (especially outside the 1st) and finding a guy with Gordon's upside is not easy.

Don't forget, Heckert has done TONS of Baylor scouting and LOVES picks. If he didn't feel really strongly about Gordon, he wouldn't have been so aggressive... have some faith. He improves our worst position group and gives us a guy with true #1 potential... and it came at the price of a future pick that if we traded in the draft in June for a 2012 pick would've gotten us a 3rd rounder in return.

I feel MUCH better about our WRs both now and in the future than I did yesterday. How about you?
 
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I like this. Team is finally heading in the right direction.
 
Josh Gordon ‏@JOSH_GORDONXII

Let's go!! #DawgPoundNation
 
I'm not really sure what to think. We'll find out if he can play or not really soon. I struggle to believe the hype that he would have been a top-10 selection in a normal draft class, like some has stated. Supposedly we ended up with the second selection of round two and only the Bills could have outbid us. So tossing in a likely high 2nd probably means we weren't high enough in the 3rd round order to get him. I'm speculating that Holmgren refused to let Dan Snyder stick it to him again. H&H typically take guys with several years production. Because it's out of character, I feel like it's a reach even if he is good, and an indictment on our current receivers. We all knew they sucked as a unit anyway, but this is a bit of an admission. It definitely took balls to make the pick and it's a small indicator the the organization feels it's getting close to being competitive.
 
Weaknesses:
Will his speed translate to the NFL? Yes, duh.
*Quickness? He'll be plenty quick
*Year-long suspension for drug issue Over and done with
*Runs too upright So did Adrian Peterson
*Raw, unpolished We'll polish him
 
Tom Withers ‏@twithersAP
Browns coach Pat Shurmur on WR Josh Gordon: "he possesses the skill and ability to be an outstanding player in this league."
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1m Brandon Weeden Brandon Weeden ‏@bweeden3

@JOSH_GORDONXII Congrats bud! Lookin forward to getting to work!

Richardson, Weeden, Gordon debut... The trip up from Tampa will be well worth it!!!

Weaknesses:
Will his speed translate to the NFL? Yes, duh.
*Quickness? He'll be plenty quick
*Year-long suspension for drug issue Over and done with
*Runs too upright So did Adrian Peterson
*Raw, unpolished We'll polish him
 
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