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BYU Suspends starting SF for the Rest of the Year

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Is BYU Right in Suspending Him?

  • Yes, That's the Rule and I'm glad a Big Time Program Stood up and Enforced the Rules

    Votes: 6 26.1%
  • Dumb Rule, Dumb Decision, Completely Unrealistic

    Votes: 7 30.4%
  • Dumb Rule but had to Follow It

    Votes: 10 43.5%

  • Total voters
    23
Well look at that Doug just swung his liberal stick. To funny... and I am pretty sure BYU doesn't care what outsiders thing about their religon....Baptist don't believe in dancing and .. here is Baylor's code of conduct:

General Information
1. Truett Seminary is a Christian institution whose primary purpose is to train men and women for ministry and theological education.
2. Students who have given evidence of a divine call, have been certified by a local church to prepare for the Christian ministry, and seek entrance into this institution shall conduct themselves in a manner deemed by the seminary as conduct becoming of a Baptist minister as it has been historically understood. Non-Baptist students are held to this level of conduct as well.
3. Students who commit any form of academic misconduct, which includes but is not limited to, plagiarism or cheating, will be subject to the Baylor University Honor Code. Incidents will be reported to the Office of Academic Integrity and students will be sanctioned in accordance with the Honor Code. The process for student appeal is outlined in the Honor Code.
4. The Seminary may take disciplinary action as it deems necessary should the standard of personal and ethical conduct be violated. Violation of this standard shall include, but is not limited to:
a. Academic misconduct including, but not limited to, plagiarism or cheating;
b. Public or private alcohol intoxication;
c. Use of illegal drugs;
d. Abuse of any drugs;
e. Heterosexual misconduct or homosexual behavior;
f. Sexual harassment;
g. Involvement with pornography;
h. Giving false statements to the seminary orally or in writing including, but not limited to, one's application for admission or registration or altering records;
i. Financial malfeasance;
j. Fighting; abusive or vulgar language;
k. Theft of seminary or personal property;
l. Violation of seminary academic regulations and policies; and
m. Disrespect toward a Seminary or University employee.
5. Students involved in a civil infraction are accountable to civil authorities but may also be subject to discipline by the Seminary.
http://www.baylor.edu/truett/index.php?id=70964
 
If I were the parent of a kid who got ousted under these types of rules, I'd be suing the school as soon as possible.

Did this kid get suspended from playing ball and from school because he had a cup of tea?

Doug its a private school ... what are you going to sue over ? It's not like they don't make you sign the code of conduct... not to mention its a PRIVATE school much like a private club they don't have to let any in and they can set their own rules.
 
Read carefully it is spelled out in the first paragraph:

Church Educational System Honor Code
Brigham Young University, Brigham Young University—Hawaii, Brigham Young University—Idaho, and LDS Business College exist to provide an education in an atmosphere consistent with the ideals and principles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. That atmosphere is created and preserved through commitment to conduct that reflects those ideals and principles. Members of the faculty, administration, staff, and student body at BYU, BYU—Hawaii, BYU—Idaho, and LDSBC are selected and retained from among those who voluntarily live the principles of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Observance of such is a specific condition of employment and admission. Those individuals who are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are also expected to maintain the same standards of conduct, except church attendance. All who represent BYU, BYU—Hawaii, BYU—Idaho, and LDSBC are to maintain the highest standards of honor, integrity, morality, and consideration of others in personal behavior. By accepting appointment on the faculty, continuing in employment, or continuing class enrollment, individuals evidence their commitment to observe the Honor Code standards approved by the Board of Trustees "at all times and . . . in all places" (Mosiah 18:9).




Honor Code Statement
We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men. . . . If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things (Thirteenth Article of Faith).

As a matter of personal commitment, faculty, administration, staff, and students of Brigham Young University, Brigham Young University—Hawaii, Brigham Young University—Idaho, and LDS Business College seek to demonstrate in daily living on and off campus those moral virtues encompassed in the gospel of Jesus Christ, and will

Be honest
Live a chaste and virtuous life
Obey the law and all campus policies
Use clean language
Respect others
Abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee, and substance abuse
Participate regularly in church services
Observe the Dress and Grooming Standards
Encourage others in their commitment to comply with the Honor Code

Specific policies embodied in the Honor Code include (1) the Academic Honesty Policy, (2) the Dress and Grooming Standards, (3) the Residential Living Standards, and (4) the Continuing Student Ecclesiastical Endorsement. (Refer to institutional policies for more detailed information.)




Good Honor Code Standing
Students must be in good Honor Code standing to be admitted to, continue enrollment at, and graduate from BYU. The term "good Honor Code standing" means that a student's conduct is consistent with the Honor Code and the ideals and principles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Excommunication, disfellowshipment, or disaffiliation from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints automatically results in the loss of good Honor Code standing. Further, a student is not in good Honor Code standing if his or her ecclesiastical endorsement has either lapsed or has been withdrawn, or if the Honor Code Office has placed a "hold" on the student's records.

All students, upon admission to BYU, are required to observe the standards of the Honor Code at all times, whether on or off campus. When the Honor Code Office receives reports of misconduct prior to a prospective student's admission or readmission, those reports are referred to the Admissions Office for appropriate action. When the Honor Code Office receives reports of student misconduct after admission or readmission, but before registration for classes, the Honor Code Office typically notifies the student, indicating that a "hold" will be placed on the student's registration if the matter is not resolved to the satisfaction of the Honor Code Office by a specified date. The Honor Code Office also reserves the right to place a "hold" on the record of any student based on reports of student misconduct prior to notifying the student.

Conduct
All students and residents are required to conduct themselves in a manner consistent with the Honor Code. In addition, students may not influence or seek to influence others to engage in behavior inconsistent with the Honor Code.

Students must abstain from the use of alcohol, tobacco, and illegal substances and from the intentional misuse or abuse of any substance. Sexual misconduct; obscene or indecent conduct or expressions; disorderly or disruptive conduct; participation in gambling activities; involvement with pornographic, erotic, indecent, or offensive material; and any other conduct or action inconsistent with the principles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Honor Code is not permitted.

Violations of the Honor Code may result in actions up to and including separation from the university.

Homosexual Behavior
Brigham Young University will respond to homosexual behavior rather than to feelings or attraction and welcomes as full members of the university community all whose behavior meets university standards. Members of the university community can remain in good Honor Code standing if they conduct their lives in a manner consistent with gospel principles and the Honor Code.

One's stated same-gender attraction is not an Honor Code issue. However, the Honor Code requires all members of the university community to manifest a strict commitment to the law of chastity. Homosexual behavior is inappropriate and violates the Honor Code. Homosexual behavior includes not only sexual relations between members of the same sex, but all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings.

Dress and Grooming Standards
The dress and grooming of both men and women should always be modest, neat, and clean, consistent with the dignity adherent to representing The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and any of its institutions of higher education.

Modesty and cleanliness are important values that reflect personal dignity and integrity, through which students, staff, and faculty represent the principles and standards of the Church. Members of the BYU community commit themselves to observe the following standards, which reflect the direction of the Board of Trustees and the Church publication For the Strength of Youth. The Dress and Grooming Standards are as follows:

Men
A clean and well-cared-for appearance should be maintained. Clothing is inappropriate when it is sleeveless, revealing, or form fitting. Shorts must be knee-length or longer. Hairstyles should be clean and neat, avoiding extreme styles or colors, and trimmed above the collar, leaving the ear uncovered. Sideburns should not extend below the earlobe or onto the cheek. If worn, moustaches should be neatly trimmed and may not extend beyond or below the corners of the mouth. Men are expected to be clean-shaven; beards are not acceptable. Earrings and other body piercing are not acceptable. Shoes should be worn in all public campus areas.

Women
A clean and well-cared-for appearance should be maintained. Clothing is inappropriate when it is sleeveless, strapless, backless, or revealing; has slits above the knee; or is form fitting. Dresses, skirts, and shorts must be knee-length or longer. Hairstyles should be clean and neat, avoiding extremes in styles or colors. Excessive ear piercing (more than one per ear) and all other body piercing are not acceptable. Shoes should be worn in all public campus areas.




Residential Living Standards
As stated in the Honor Code, Brigham Young University is committed to providing a learning atmosphere consistent with the principles of the Church. The university is likewise committed to creating such an atmosphere for students residing on and off campus and between semesters. To achieve this, BYU has established living standards to help students learn some of the high ideals and principles of behavior expected at Brigham Young University. Therefore, the university requires students to adhere to the following applicable standards:

Visiting Hours
Helaman Halls
Visitors of the opposite sex are permitted in the lobbies but not in the bedroom area, except during an established open house or home evening time, at which times room doors must remain open. Lobby visiting hours begin after 8:00 a.m. and extend until 12:00 midnight, Monday through Thursday and Saturday. On Friday night, lobby visiting hours extend until 1:30 a.m. Sunday hours are from noon until midnight.

Heritage Halls
Visitors of the opposite sex are permitted in the lobbies and apartment kitchens but not in bedrooms or bathrooms. Lobby visiting hours are from 8:00 a.m. to 12:00 midnight daily, Sunday through Thursday, and extend until 1:30 a.m. on Fridays. Apartment visiting hours are from 10:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. Sunday through Thursday and extend until 12:00 midnight on Friday and Saturday.

Off-Campus Visiting Hours, Wyview Park, and Foreign Language Student Residence
Visitors of the opposite sex are permitted in living rooms and kitchens but not in the bedrooms in off-campus living units. The use of the bathroom areas by members of the opposite sex is not appropriate unless emergency or civility dictates otherwise, and then only if the safety, privacy, and sensitivity of other residents are not jeopardized. Visiting hours may begin after 9:00 a.m. and extend until 12:00 midnight. Friday night visiting hours may extend until 1:30 a.m. Landlords may establish a shorter visiting period if proper notice is given to students.

Guests
All guests of students must comply with the Residential Living Standards while on the premises of university-approved housing. Students are expected to help their guests and other residents understand and fulfill their responsibility under the Residential Living Standards and the Honor Code.

Maintaining the Standards
Violations of these standards may be reported to the Honor Code Office, 4440 WSC, (801) 422-2847, or the Off-Campus Housing Office, (801) 378-5066.




Continuing Student Ecclesiastical Endorsement
Students are required to be in good Honor Code standing to be admitted to, continue enrollment at, and graduate from BYU. In conjunction with this requirement, all enrolled continuing undergraduate, graduate, intern, and Study Abroad students are required to obtain a Continuing Student Ecclesiastical Endorsement for each new academic year. Students must have their endorsements completed, turned in, and processed by the Honor Code Office before they can register for fall semester or any semester thereafter. To avoid registration delays, endorsement should be submitted to the Honor Code Office by March 15. Those applying to BYU should use the new-student Admissions Application Part 3 endorsement and submit to Admissions, D-155 ASB.

LDS students may be endorsed only by the bishop of the ward (1) in which they live and (2) that holds their current Church membership record.

Non-LDS students are to be endorsed by (1) the local ecclesiastical leader if the student is an active member of the congregation, (2) the bishop of the LDS ward in which they currently reside, or (3) the nondenominational BYU chaplain.

Former LDS students are not eligible to receive an ecclesiastical endorsement (see Withdrawn Ecclesiastical Endorsement below).

Requirements
Whether on or off campus or between semesters, all students are expected to abide by the Honor Code, which includes (1) the Academic Honesty Policy, (2) the Dress and Grooming Standards, and (3) the applicable Residential Living Standards. Students are required to be in good Honor Code standing to graduate.

LDS students must fulfill their duty in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, attend Church meetings, and abide by the rules and standards of the Church on and off campus.

Students who are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are also expected to maintain the same standards of conduct. They are encouraged to participate in services of their preferred religion. All students must be in good Honor Code standing to graduate, to receive a diploma, and to have the degree posted.

Withdrawn Ecclesiastical Endorsement
A student's endorsement may be withdrawn at any time if the ecclesiastical leader determines that the student is no longer eligible for the endorsement. If an endorsement is withdrawn, no confessional information is exchanged without authorization from the student. Students without a current endorsement are not in good Honor Code standing and must discontinue enrollment. Students who are not in good Honor Code standing are not eligible for graduation, even if they have otherwise completed all necessary coursework. Excommunication, disfellowshipment, or disaffiliation from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints automatically results in the withdrawal of the student's ecclesiastical endorsement and the loss of good Honor Code standing. Disaffiliation is defined for purposes of this policy as removal of an individual's name from the official records of the Church.

The decision to withdraw an ecclesiastical endorsement may be appealed through appropriate ecclesiastical leaders only. As a matter of practice, BYU does not intervene in ecclesiastical matters or endorsements. In unusual circumstances, however, a student may petition the Dean of Students Office to allow an exception to the ecclesiastical endorsement requirement. As part of the petition, a student must (i) complete an Application for Exception to Policy (this form may be obtained from the Dean of Students Office); (ii) sign a release allowing appropriate university officials to freely communicate with the student's ecclesiastical leaders; (iii) prepare a written statement outlining the reasons why, in light of the student's extenuating circumstances, the university should allow an exception; and (iv) submit the completed application, release, and relevant statements to the Dean of Students Office, 3500 WSC, Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, 84602 for consideration.

When considering the petition, the Dean of Students will focus not on the merits of the ecclesiastical leader's decision to withdraw the endorsement but instead on whether the student has demonstrated sufficiently compelling grounds to warrant an exception to the university's ecclesiastical endorsement requirement. In addition to speaking with the student's present and former ecclesiastical leaders, the Dean of Students may also choose to personally interview the student, who may further explain the circumstances which might justify an exception to the ecclesiastical endorsement requirement. The student bears the burden of persuasion that he or she should be considered to be in good Honor Code standing, notwithstanding the lack of an ecclesiastical endorsement. The Dean of Student's decision regarding the petition will be reviewed by the Vice President of Student Life if requested by the student. The decision by the Vice President of Student Life is final.




Academic Honesty Policy

http://saas.byu.edu/catalog/2010-2011ucat/GeneralInfo/HonorCode.php#HCOfficeInvovement


Good luck with that law suit ... lol that is iron clad.
 
What's your point Ron? Just because they are private and have stupid rules doesn't mean it's right. And just because some 17 year old kid signed some huge document, doesn't mean he actually read it, and certainly any fine print that went with it. I'd venture to say that many of these kids were forced to go to this silly school by Parents who are way over the top in their beliefs. It's a damn shame that this kid AND team are now screwed because one of their players might have drank a cup of tea.

One of my cousins is Mormon. The wife doesn't and won't and cannot work away from home... per religion. So don't think I have stuff against Mormons. I simply don't agree with their damn silly and moronic and stupid ways.
 
What's your point Ron? Just because they are private and have stupid rules doesn't mean it's right. And just because some 17 year old kid signed some huge document, doesn't mean he actually read it, and certainly any fine print that went with it. I'd venture to say that many of these kids were forced to go to this silly school by Parents who are way over the top in their beliefs. It's a damn shame that this kid AND team are now screwed because one of their players might have drank a cup of tea.

One of my cousins is Mormon. The wife doesn't and won't and cannot work away from home... per religion. So don't think I have stuff against Mormons. I simply don't agree with their damn silly and moronic and stupid ways.

According to Max he knocked up his gf, and my point is its a private school and they can set what ever rule they want to. They take zero federal or state funding so they dont have to deal with those limitations. You don't have to agree or like their rules Doug, it isn't your religion it isn't your believes. You do however have to respect their right to practice what ever stupid religion they want... its a cornerstone of the bill of rights, one of the very reasons you are able to sit here and bitch and complain.
 
According to Max he knocked up his gf, and my point is its a private school and they can set what ever rule they want to. They take zero federal or state funding so they dont have to deal with those limitations. You don't have to agree or like their rules Doug, it isn't your religion it isn't your believes. You do however have to respect their right to practice what ever stupid religion they want... its a cornerstone of the bill of rights, one of the very reasons you are able to sit here and bitch and complain.

Actually, Ron, there are definitely limits on what that school and religion is allowed to do. If they were, for instance, to decide that polygamy should once again be an accepted and supported practice. They just might find that the state and government took legal issue with that.
 
Just confirmed on ESPN that it was that he was "having sexual relations with" his girlfriend.
 
How awful. Young kids have sexual feelings, AND towards each other? I'm offended. String him up BYU. Dismiss him. The BYU team does not deserve to have all it's players for the tournament. The gall of players having sex. My goodness. I think it's damn terrific that an entire team is penalized because one player "admitted" to having sex. The kid should be jailed for committing just a heinous crime.
 
Charlie Sheen getting ready to throw a big party at BYU cause he doesn't give a fuck.
 
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You skewed your poll... The kid new the rules new the code and made a choice. He is being held accountable, I don't care what people say about him being raised by a Mormon family, and that there may have been a ton of pressure on him to go to BYU and that maybe he didn't have a whole lot of choice... maybe he violated the rules to get out to get a transfer. No matter what if you know the rules and agree to accept them then you understand the what will happen when you break them.

I know most of you won't agree with that, but being a former Marine that is the way military service was. I didn't agree with a lot of the bullshit rules, but I knew to get the future I wanted I had to accept the rules follow them or break them and suffer the consequences .

It would be a whole different story if they implemented the rules with out anyone knowing or half way through.

Totally, 100% spot-fucking-on.

No idea how anyone can argue otherwise.

The guy is an adult. He can do what he wants with his life. Nobody is going to argue this. However, was it not his choice to go to BYU? He knew the rules, and violated them. Simple as that. Let's not make this a complicated issue.
 
Here is the ESPN Article
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6175090

Brandon Davies was dismissed from BYU's basketball team after he admitted to having sexual relations with his girlfriend, the Salt Lake Tribune reported Wednesday.

BYU's honor code forbids students from having premarital sex and instructs them to "live a chaste and virtuous life."

The newspaper reported that Davies met with school officials on Monday.

BYU officials would only confirm Wednesday that Davies wasn't involved in anything criminal that resulted in his dismissal from the team.

University spokeswoman Carri Jenkins said an honor code review is under way to determine if the BYU sophomore will be allowed to remain in school, as well as his status with the team next season.
BYU's honor code also requires students to be honest; abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee and substance abuse; and attend church regularly.

The school announced the dismissal on Tuesday night after being made aware of the violation Monday -- the same day that BYU (27-2, 13-1 Mountain West) vaulted to No. 3 in the ESPN/USA Today and AP polls.

In their first game without Davies on Wednesday, the Cougars lost 82-64 to New Mexico. BYU guard Jimmer Fredette said after the game Davies had apologized to his teammates.

"He told us he was sorry and let us down," Fredette said. "We told him it's OK. Sometimes in life we make mistakes. We've got to play through it."

Davies had started 26 of 29 games and averaged 11.1 points and a team-leading 6.2 rebounds.

The sophomore was a key member of BYU's frontcourt and was instrumental in helping contain San Diego State's forwards in the Cougars' 80-67 victory over the Aztecs.

No one discussed details of what occurred with Davies after the game but BYU coach Dave Rose discussed the school's controversial honor code.

"Everybody who comes to BYU, every student if they're an athlete or not an athlete, they make a commitment when they come," Rose said of a code that also forbids use of alcohol and coffee and requires students to be honest and attend church regularly. "A lot of people try to judge if this is right or wrong, but it's a commitment they make. It's not about right or wrong. It's about commitment."
Davies was one of Fredette's favorite targets in the post, ran the floor well and gave the Cougars length and size inside.

Personally I think think the rule is lunacy in today's world however, everyone is very clear what the rules are and what the punishments would be if they are broken. BYU followed the rule and ruled with a heavy hand. I'm glad they stood up for their rule but man that is a harsh punishment, especially if they kick him out of school.
 
"It's not about right or wrong."

Well, at least they admit that they aren't doing this to be just or fair. Just a black and white blind adherence to a nebulous set of rules.

This reminds me of the Star Trek episode where Crusher is playing catch with some of the other kids on the planet they are visiting and he accidentally ends up in a flower bed. He damages some of the flowers. It's against the rules to damage property. There is only one punishment for violation of any of their rules... death.
 

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