Triumph36
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to win a title?Aren't Kyrie, Dion, Alonzo, Tristan, Tyler, and next year's #1 enough young assets?
no.
to win a title?Aren't Kyrie, Dion, Alonzo, Tristan, Tyler, and next year's #1 enough young assets?
Will The Cavs Make a Major Move At The Trade Deadline?
I agree, I would like to see a nice return from Andy, but think the best return in on Irving, and him having someone to work with and develop confidence with. It is not a number you can quantify, but Irving with Andy, is better then Irving with no Andy. I think if we move Andy it would be in the off season, or if we get such a good package we can not say no. Trading Andy has to be a 100% win for Cleveland.
First, if the Cavs draft a player who is ultimately a bust it is their own fault. If you can't rely on them to nail a top 10 pick, then honestly I don't know how you can have a ton of confidence in them building a legitimate contender otherwise.I hope I'm not alone thinking trading Andy for just picks(lottery or not) is beyond stupid. Andy can play, Andy is damn good. Andy is good for the young guys. Not just his leadership, but he makes everyone better. He is good for the development of Kyrie, Waiters, Tristan, and whomever else.
If we were to trade Andy, we better get a really good player in return. Draft picks don't guarantee anything. Look at some of the past top-10 drafts, there are loads of players who've busted. You can't just have a team full of rookies and 20 year old players. You become the Sacramento Kings.
I say no, we don't make a major trade. And I'm okay with that. We got plenty of picks to continue building with.
Aren't Kyrie, Dion, Alonzo, Tristan, Tyler, and next year's #1 enough young assets?
to win a title?
no.
It's not about "enough" assets. It's about talent level. Kyrie is there, Dion is looking like he will be too. But at this point TT, Zeller and Gee are role players. You need them, but they are the glue to a championship team not the foundation blocks. We need at LEAST one more foundation block, hopefully two.
First, if the Cavs draft a player who is ultimately a bust it is their own fault. If you can't rely on them to nail a top 10 pick, then honestly I don't know how you can have a ton of confidence in them building a legitimate contender otherwise.
Second, no, you don't become the Kings. Frankly, the Kings situation isn't even comparable. They just randomly draft guys without taking fit, personality, and other aspects like that into account. Of course that won't end well. Their ownership being in shambles doesn't exactly help either, cause it's kinda difficult to win when you're the most unstable organization in the league.
Basically, your post suggested you don't want lottery picks because you don't trust the front office to A) hit on them and/or B) not draft a mismash of idiots that won't have any chemistry.
This is such flawed thinking. We have 5 young players (each at different positions coincidentally) and Andy who is a very good center in his own right. Add to that another young (hopefully very talented) player and you've got yourself enough talent to compete for a championship once that young talent matures.
Not only that, the Cavs will most certainly be signing a free agent either next season or the following, who will be a big part of contention.
We have 2 very good back-court players, a nice 3 man big rotation with AV, TT, and TZ, and a very good defensive SF. If the Cavs sign a big (or SF) and draft the other, this team is 8 talented players deep. (Kyrie, Dion, Alonzo, Tristan, Tyler, Anderson, #1 next year, FA acquisition) not to mention any further minor additions via FA.
Yet we won't be contending? Good grief. We have a putrid bench because we're not going to go out and wreck our cap space on FA who would be worthless to the build of this team.
Just because they are young and play different positions does not mean they are enough to contend. Not whatsoever. Half of them have shown to be nothing more than bench/role players, and one of two significant bright spots is still only 8 games into his career (ie: he could be playing above his head atm).This is such flawed thinking. We have 5 young players (each at different positions coincidentally) and Andy who is a very good center in his own right. Add to that another young (hopefully very talented) player and you've got yourself enough talent to compete for a championship once that young talent matures.
Not only that, the Cavs will most certainly be signing a free agent either next season or the following, who will be a big part of contention.
We have 2 very good back-court players, a nice 3 man big rotation with AV, TT, and TZ, and a very good defensive SF. If the Cavs sign a big (or SF) and draft the other, this team is 8 talented players deep. (Kyrie, Dion, Alonzo, Tristan, Tyler, Anderson, #1 next year, FA acquisition) not to mention any further minor additions via FA.
Yet we won't be contending? Good grief. We have a putrid bench because we're not going to go out and wreck our cap space on FA who would be worthless to the build of this team.
Horford, TOR 1st, Cousins, maybe Aldridge...and....eh? I think the Toronto pick is the only one that is realistically attainable, though.Now, it's early, so there is plenty of time for teams off to a hot start to implode (think Portland last year), but here's a list of assets that are or might be available at the deadline (based on current sketchy play, bad contracts, full rosters, or just pure guesses). Not saying whether these are assets I'd want or not, but lets start the discussion.
Who of this list would you want? Anyone you'd add on there?
Jeff Green
Al Horford
Josh Smith
Brook Lopez
Carlos Boozer
Wilson Chandler
Danny Granger
Roy Hibbert?
DeAndre Jordan
Eric Bledsoe
Pau Gasol
Amare Stoudemire
Toronto 1st rounder via OKC
Andrew Bynum
LaMarcus Aldridge
DeMarcus Cousins
Jason Thompson
Tyreke Evans
Paul Milsap
Al Jefferson
That is definitely true. But that's sorta the point of acquiring top 10 picks whenever possible. Even in weaker drafts, you'll still have your pick of the group excluding the small 'x' number of players picked before your spot.To me, C) would be the biggest one, and that is sometimes drafts are just weak. So many on here argue that TT's pick wasn't bad just because there wasn't a whole lot to choose from. Yes, we got lucky with the KI ping pong ball, but the overall weakness of that draft is probably the only reason the LAC's didn't protect it.
I hate to say it, but it looks like this draft will be fairly weak, as well. The further a team drifts from the top, it can start getting ugly real quick like.