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Johnny Manziel: Swan Won't Return His Calls

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http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/8/19/6044647/johnny-manziel-flip-off-ryan-clark-brian-orakpo



How often do Philip Rivers and Tom Brady get openly laughed at by the opponent due to poor performances?

Phillip Rivers? He's going to get his share of shit talk when he's playing poorly, he's despised across the NFL. Just this year he was openly mocked by Robert Ayers for his poor play against the Broncos in the playoffs.


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At the time of the Chargers were down 17-0 with Rivers completing 6-9 passes for 25 yards, and had just thrown a hissy fit about burning a timeout.
 
Stuff like this does worry me about Manziel, and did from the time we drafted him. He's a showboat - and he's not alone in being one, there are plenty in the league - but when you are one, you're going to take more shit from the opposition. More trash talk, more cheap shots, more thrown at you to try to knock your mental game off. If that's all it took to get Manizel to react - opposing players saying something to the effect of this isn't college anymore - that's not a good sign. It's only going to get worse for him from here on, especially now that he's shown once already that you can get inside his head.

I hope the kid works out long-term, but he's going to have to mature quite a bit on and off the field to be successful. Talent only takes you so far.
 
the guy made a hand gesture went back to the huddle and execute a play. I think it was the completion called back because neither wide receiver bothered to get to the line of scrimmage
 
the guy made a hand gesture went back to the huddle and execute a play. I think it was the completion called back because neither wide receiver bothered to get to the line of scrimmage

What a warrior.
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-b...had-to-pick-brian-hoyer?ex_cid=espnapi_public

BEREA, Ohio -- This was not exactly a quarterback competition that inspired belief.

But at least it's over. That alone is a positive step for the Cleveland Browns.

Naming Brian Hoyer the Browns' starter Wednesday heading into the regular season fills three large needs:

•It allows Hoyer to concentrate on preparing, which is what he does best. He can focus on the regular season, prepare to play and forget the competition.
•It allows Johnny Manziel to take a step back, assess where he is and concentrate on learning the nuances and finer points of an NFL offense. Rex Grossman is there to help.
•It ends this competition that seemed to be strangling the life out of both players. Coach Mike Pettine had good and logical reasons for doing things the way he did, but in the end, this one was turning south in a hurry. It needed to end.


Naming Hoyer the starter makes sense. He didn't play great in either preseason game, but he did have some good practices when more often than not he seemed better prepared and suited than Manziel to run this offense. That would seem to indicate he was pressing in games.

Freed from the weight of trying to win a job and instead playing just to win a game, Hoyer can relax and -- the Browns hope -- revert to the form he showed last season.

Hoyer's play against Washington was, by his own admission, embarrassing.

He needs to be better, not miss an open receiver in the end zone, not force throws and not rush them. He's at his best when he's prepared, on time and decisive.

It's up to him to live up to the faith and belief Pettine has shown in him. It's up to him to play well.

Manziel brings the hype and the attitude and the did-he-really-do-that college stats. But he was behind in grasping the offense. And it showed in practice, it showed in Washington and -- despite some illogical praise that came his way after the game -- it showed in Detroit.

He's at the point where he makes one read and runs.

If the Browns wanted to run a fast-paced offense like Manziel ran at Texas A&M, he might be ready to play. Instead, the Browns are running a verbiage-heavy, structured system.

Debate all you want whether that takes away Manziel's strengths. It's what the Browns are doing.

Kyle Shanahan repeatedly has said NFL defenses quickly will realize what a quarterback does well and take that away. Shanahan also said Manziel's strength -- his elusiveness -- could become his greatest weakness.

Manziel no doubt finds himself in an uncomfortable spot being the backup. It's understandable. But it also allows him the chance to grow and learn and get better while he waits. It's a chance too many Browns quarterbacks before him didn't have, and they suffered because of it.

Hoyer had done so much right as he came back from his knee injury. He attacked his rehab, begged to be let loose in the offseason and studied the new playbook like mad.

But the drafting of Manziel was a game-changer for him, and he showed he felt the pressure that goes with being the guy who has to hold off the phenom. It's a tough spot, especially for someone trying to lead his hometown team. He didn't exactly thrive in the fishbowl, but he has survived.

Theoretically, the Browns now could have the best of two worlds.

If Hoyer can channel what Tom Brady taught him and win one or two or three games before the bye, the outcry for Manziel will cease. The team will be able to just go play, Hoyer will be able to relax, Manziel can soak in knowledge and the team will be winning.

If Hoyer doesn't get things together and the Browns don't win, well, Manziel is there, ready and waiting and, hopefully by the time he plays, able.

The best-case scenario for the Browns? That the 22nd name in the draft isn't added to that quarterback jersey in Tennessee the week after the team's bye.



...written by an ESPN employee who actually lives in Cleveland.
 
yeah thats Gossi allright. on his anti Manziel campaign since they drafted him.

Both quarterbacks wer making progress until the no huddle offense was introduced by Shanahan. then suddenly both quarterbacks began struggling.


if Hoyer couldnt perform the pressure of just being average and hoping that a rookie didnt become above average to take his job then im not sure how Hoyer will handle being the starting quarterback of an NFL team.

It is ne thing to jump in and throw a couple 300 yard games as a back up starter (like Jason garrett used to all the time) and completely another being the guy that all the teams now develop their game plans around.

The coaching staff hasnt exactly inspired confidence in this sham of a fake quarterback competition. keeping josh gordon in for 3 quarters of a preseason game and then dogging him for his effort when they should be more focused on getting the guy on track off the field.

It will be interesting to see how the offense progresses now that training camp is limiting press coverage and what shanahan does with his rookie quarterback and running back
 
It was a Pat McManamon article, but you seemed to use correct spelling and punctuation for most of that post... I don't want to appear critical. This is a big step for you.
 
Yes, that is Grossi alright; on his anti-Manziel campaign since they drafted him. Both quarterbacks were making progress until the no-huddle offense was introduced by Shanahan, then suddenly both quarterbacks began to struggle. If Hoyer couldn't play merely average, while hoping that a rookie didn't become suddenly above average to take his job, then I'm not sure how Hoyer will handle being the starting quarterback of an NFL team. It is one thing to jump in and throw a couple 300 yard games as a back-up spot starting like Jason Garrett was known for, and it is completely another being the guy that teams now develop game plans to stop. The coaching staff hasn't exactly inspired confidence in this charade of a quarterback competition, either. Also, I question the decision making of keeping Josh Gordon in for 3 quarters of a preseason game and then dogging him for his effort, when they should be more focused on getting his personal life back on track. It will be interesting to see how the offense progresses now that training camp is limiting press coverage, and also what Shanahan does with his rookie quarterback and running back.

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I'm not a Browns fan but I check in here on occasion and I have to say this is about the most severe overreaction to a single preseason game maybe ever?
 
I'm not a Browns fan but I check in here on occasion and I have to say this is about the most severe overreaction to a single preseason game maybe ever?
its not supposed to work like that?
 
Torn's ability to craft a story behind every Manziel topic is truly staggering.

It wasn't until the "no huddle" was introduced. DAMN YOU SHANAHAN!
 
Talked to him for the first time since early July and got a pretty good sense of his mood. Seems disappointed, but not as much as I expected him to be. Sounds like he had a pretty good feeling Hoyer had a strong grip on the job. Said his biggest frustration was the fact he knew had to basically be lights out both games to get the job. Said he thinks Hoyer is going to be in great shape come the opener and is just shaking rust off. Also said he can't tell me anything on Gordon - but it sounds like, for the most part, they know not much.

Got a good laugh, because he said giving them the finger felt like the more responsible thing to do than other options. He seemed to be joking about that.

I've mentioned it a few times... I've known Johnny for a while now, so figured I'd throw something in here. Hadn't talk to him recently, though.

EDIT: When I say frustration... I am referring to facial expressions/middle finger. It got to him. Said he doesn't blame the team/coaches for having to be lights out/perfect. But said it wasn't something he is not used to. Sounds like it was a good learning experience...

...which I guess, in the end, is all we can ask for out of a rookie QB in the early stages.

I am bias, obviously, but I do think he will succeed. Will he live up to this insane hype? Not sure. With all that said, I don't care what anyone says, he is not a shit bag like he is painted in the media, etc. He has his moments of being wild, but he has been that way for years - not just post Heisman days. Just who he is. That is what makes him the type of quarterback he is.
 
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Mind telling how you know him? Through a business relationship or personal? Just wondering how one goes about knowing Mr. Football.
 

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