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2015 Free Agency (Cavs Centric)

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First off.... Has anyone on here been paying attention AT ALL the last 20-25 games and have seen the importance James Jones has been overall to this team and in particular been a key cog in critical parts/situations of games and part of their success? Because it sure doesn't seem like it! 15th guy off bench??

James Jones has turned himself into a viable piece for the Cavs now and in the future. First off, James trusts him, knows he will space the floor and be exactly where he's supposed to be on drive and kicks, and most importantly.... Jones is a world class knock down shooter. Secondly.... He solidifies the terrific dynamic Griffin and Blatt's system he called for and been implemented by the front office relative to the position's versatility.

The 4 in Blatt's system requires a player who can pass, space the floor, and knock down the 3. So Blatt would in an ideal world have whoever logs the majority if it's minutes with a player with this skillset.

Now that Thompson has shown to he what looks to he a super sub of Love coming off the bench next year, his play creates a different dynamic entirely with the offense's scheme and helps exponentially in match up scenarios. But with the philosophy being the same of schematically and what skill set is preferred at the 4, Jones has become the perfect replacement of Love if a particular game plan exploits spreading the floor.

This allows Thompson to come in and create a great change of pace once entering the game, and his versatility in being able to play the 5 allows the Cavs to both avoid Thompson sacrificing minutes logged having to sacrifice a games particular game plan of attack. Perfect world scenario for the Cavs and James Jones along with all the other positive intangibles he brings is the PERFECT piece coming off the bench as the backup stretch 4.

So in saying all this, the two areas of need IMO to strengthen and bolster this roster this offseason is at the backup PG and SF(3) positions, and adding a versatile back up big (5).

Before going into my personal game plan and offseason strategy if left up to me, I would like to clear up something I read a lot on here. There is a large portion of people here and everywhere (including the media) who don't have the first clue to what the Cavs options are relative to the salary caps rules and their restraints. So for those of you who feel the Cavs best bet is not paying Tristan Thompson 15 million a year because you could sign another free agent at a much better 8 million bargain figure, and then use that 7 million excess savings figure you've created to fill another spot on the roster.... Please, with all due respect.... Stop reading here.

For those who have a general understanding of the Cap relative to the Cavs situation going into this offseason, I'd like to note something that I didn't understand fully at first myself. To be completely honest, I fell into the trap that if I was reading something written from an NBA beat writer or even worse, a popular local news affiliate whose PAID to cover and assumable understand these types of things regarding the Cavs... Well it must be true and the facts. Don't fall into this same trap. You'd be shocked by the real ignorance abound by people whose credentials should make inexcusable. But yet that's another topic.

A popular subject and article written and discussed by many was after all the deals and moves the Cavs made this year. Because of relative salary cap implications, and the rule the Cavs made possible years ago in not being able to trade 1st round picks in advance two years in row (Stepien Rule), the Cavs were hamstrung without the necessary assets to pull off one more deal in finding a back up point guard.

Two things that were constantly mentioned regarding this subject and constantly repeated was the Cavs could not and would not successfully be able to use Haywood's contract, a bargaining chip long believed to be the strongest in Cavs possession, and couldn't simply because although Haywood's amnestied ballooned salary if waived before August 1st would allow a team acquiring him to include outgoing salaries roughly up to 12.5 million to shed from its payroll (125% 10 million), in order for the value to be found to create a match the Cavs would need to include additional assets to make the price congruent for pith parties to make a deal work and because of the aforementioned Stepien rule, the Cavs no longer could include future picks and were out of ammo. To compound my confusion even further, SEVERAL writers and immediate sources came out and wrote articles discussing Haywood's unique contract and asset in particular and flat out said the Cavs were under the gun to use it to acquire a player before this years deadline and needed to be done or they would run the most likely risk of losing it's ability and inherit 'special' value in acquiring a significant piece still whole being over the cap because the Cavs nor any NBA team cannot execute a sign n trade agreement to bring in a player if they are over the cap apron. So since the Cavs bring over the apron being a mere formality next year, the Haywood contract in essence became dead in water once this years deadline passed.

Fortunately fir us fans and the Cavs in general, this simply just isn't true and the Cavs I'm fact do and can have the option and ability to add a significant piece if they decide to do so, whether they are over the apron or not. The only thing that would keep it from happening is Dan Gilbert vetoing it from a financial cost perspective, as the luxury tax cost when being over the apron and being a repeat offender in the subsequent years to follow would cost him millions in tax penalties... and millions as in yearly tax payments exceeding in yearly dollar amount bills north of what Gordon Gund paid for the entire franchise outright. But hey it's all relative right? What's the logic in deeming what's expensive and what's not to man whose not only a die hard Cavs fan as well as owner, but also happens to have built a billion dollar empire through the mortgage, real estate and now casino fields. The last people who needs to lecture Gilbert on financial advice and decisions is me so I'll keep telling myself and anyone else it's his $ to spend and the only person who knows what's deemed expensive to Gilbert is Dan Gilbert himself. (And ya prob his wife )

IMO what came off track and what was lost in the shuffle with the uninformed analysis in analyzing the Cavs financial-asset position was simply not reading the first sentence close enough in what they wrote, coupled with a vast majority of the players linked to what the Haywood contract could potentially bring in as a big 4 actually had validity to it.

What I mean by this is this... Every article I read said the same thing with the first sentence proclamation, followed with two key mentions.... All of which I'll highlight their existence in order.

The Cavs could not execute a SIGN AND TRADE (proclamation) for a player when over the the CAP APRON (1st key mention) and even if the were under the apron, don't have any more assets or draft picks to deal until after 2020 due to the Stepien rule.

After Haywood was acquired and the significance of it's inherit value was explained, the initial flood of names that it could potentially be used for was names like Roy Hibbert, Marc Gasol and players as such who al had one common denominator... They were all the cream of the crop of impending free agents lists of names and played a position (center in most cases) of need for the Cavs pre roster overhaul. So actually what was written as fact was partially true if it was specified in particular that yes in fact the Haywood contract could not land an impending free agent if over the apron because to do so, a sign and trade agreement would need completed and no team under the new CBA and do as such when over the Cap apron. This in fact is true and a fact.

Where I got suckered in by many media writers and the like was how they all verified with certainty that the notion the Cavs could not sign and trade for a player excluded then from ALTOGETHER not be able to add any pieces to the team matching Haywood's outgoing contract and that yes in fact the contract becomes useless next year when the Cavs approach and exceed the apron. This simply IS NOT TRUE!

Do people not realize that the Cavs acquired Kevin Love and wasn't done so by sign and trade, he wasn't an impending free agent and the Cavs simply matched salaries of his existing 15 million (125%) and acquired he and his bird rights via basic trade?? A sign and trade has an extension agreed upon BEFORE the deal is even finalized and gives a team losing it's free agent a pick or something otherwise it would not have and by agreeing to it, it allows a team without the existing cap room to bring the player in and go over their cap more in extending and this helps the player get more $ as well. Sign and trades are only done mainly for free agents so they can make more $ on their extensions and for a team to take advantage of their bird rights who are already over the cap. HOW on earth did everyone in the media come to the conclusion that ONLY an impending free agent would add value in bolstering the Cavs this offseason and for some reason a player(s) already under contract couldn't do the same!???

WHETHER THE CAVS APPROACH THE APRON, GO OVER, OR NOT THEY CAN STILL USE HAYWOOD'S CONTRACT and facilitate a 125% matching of outgoing/incoming basic trade with anyone to bolster their roster. The farther over the apron they go, the more tax they pay and loss of exception ability comes into play as well. So Haywood's contract to manys dismay is still in fact valuable which comes to my next point.

Unless the Cavs find a partner only interested in shedding salary (the new CBA and inflated cap make this even harder to find), the Cavs don't have 1st round picks to give because if Stepien rule. This one is tricky as well. Yes the Cavs can't trade any draft picks, BUT, they are allowed and it's permissible to trade the draft rights to players they select in the NBA draft immediately after doing so and right after the draft, or can sign their picks with exception relative to rookie deals and use their contract monies matching incoming players salaries, but just have to wait 60 days after a player signs in doing so. (Anyone remember Andrew Wiggins trade?)

So in wrapping this up, I want to debunk two theories being spread around as fact. First, the Cavs can still use Haywood's contract next offseason and acquire his any any other player under contract with the Cavs outgoing in a deal at 125% value short or over comparable value of a player or players acquired in a trade for players incoming UNDER contract. The Cavs cannot sign any free agents they do hot have birds rights control without using any league cap exceptions until they are below the cap, which may not happen until were all eating applesauce out of a straw. If over the apron, they also cannot execute any sign and trade agreements during the said year being over the apron. So basically unless browsing for mid level, bi annual, or vet minimum exception signing possibilities... Throw your free agent lists away!

Lastly the Cavs do not have future draft picks to send as assets to lake a deal as we sit today. The night of June 25th, however, they could be holding the draft rights to the 24th pick in the draft as well as their second rounder and THEN COULD include said players in a deal even before they are signed, hence at that point not having any 1at round picks to include I'm a Haywood debunked and proven not true.

Something interesting to note is the Cavs will however be under the gun in terms of a timeframe in order to use their left over remaining assets to their whole value/potential. Unlike Wiggins last year and needing his 6 million rookie scale level deal when matching up salaries to make the Love deal happen, the Cavs don't have this option and luckily won't need it either if they plan on packaging the picks with Haywood's contract. Haywood's deal kicks in as guaranteed August 1st so the team acquiring Haywood to clear the 12 odd million of payroll must acquire and cut Haywood by August 1st, or his contract acquiring is useless or they rid a player with several years of unwanted salary.

So for teams wanting to shed 12 million dollars and acquire a 1st round pick they can essentially select themselves pre arranged... The Cavs poise to potentially be an attractive parameter for a team who can help bolster their bench. Only problem is said deal must happen between June 25th( night if draft) and Aug 1st (Haywood's contract becomes guaranteed). Because of the Aug 1st being so Close to June 25th, the Cavs player's draft rights would only be able to be included in the deal and not their rookie scale contract to be added on a la Wiggins to bring back an even more expensive player(s).

I've ran the numbers already and I know with certain variations it can be done so I'll let you or anyone interested intermit any players or contract salary numbers into these scenarios that make a trade and the contracts to work. Just work off of Haywood's balloon amount of 12 million and any additional player/contract can bring in contracts 125% of its value. Haywood himself would net over 12 million etc..

I see one scenario I'm absolutely in love with and hope to see come to fruition and that's again with our friends Golden State. Two things going for us is we have a great trading relationship with then already and also not only are they interested in going to a youth start over direction, we were the team help kick start the process for them by convincing them to let go of one of the best young centers of the game for provisional 1st round future picks that have pages attached explaining what needs to happen in order to own the pick(s).

Going into the offseason my is want to upgrade again back up PG, SF, and C. With Golden State, I see an opportunity to knock out 2 of these 3 with players who would strengthen the Cavs roster significantly. The good news is not only the Nuggets interested in 1st round selections, they are paying starter salaries to two players playing the SF position, something the Nuggets are in position or can afford to do unlike the Cavs. They can use a Haywood Cavs deal to shed 12 million off their bottom line, or use the savings to diversify their roster at other positions of need... Either is a win win.

The Nuggets two small are starter Wilson Chandler and back up Danilo Gallinari. Interestingly enough, Gallinari makes several more million than the starter Chandler and although Gallinari caught fire towards the end of this season (had a game of 50 plus), the Cavs could be in prime position to pluck what I believe would be the Cavs rosters perfect solution and fit for the back up 3 with his shooting, length and scoring pedigree. (As well as age and versatility)

I know the front office likes Chandler and at one point was looking into him pre Lebron days and he would be nothing to be confused as a constellation prize. He would be a great for for the Cavs as well and I think the Cavs can put together a package to land one of them. Not stopping there, the Nuggets also have Jameer Nelson, a player who was coveted up to the trading deadline last year. He's the reflect backup veteran point guard that can still play.

Haywood straight up could net both Chandler and Nelson using 125%. In order to nab Gallinari, a player such as Joe Harris would need included, and possibly Delly although the timeline and his option may not align. To finish off the roster, I sign C Kosta Koufous to the full mid level, Ray Allen coming back out of retirement as the 3rd guard shooter (replaces Harris) and if Delly has to be involved, I sign Aaron Craft as my 3rd pg.

Haywood+rights to both 1st and 2nd rd picks '15 draft+ Harris
TO NUGGETS FOR
Danilo Gallinari or Wilson Chandler and Jameer Nelson.

Sign free agent Kosta Koufous who is recruited as back up center for when Andy leaves after next offseason.

Sign Ray Allen

PG: Irving/Nelson/Delly
SG: Shumpert/JR Smith/Allen
SF: James/Dallinari/Miller
PF: Love/Thompson/Jones
C: Mozgov/Varejao/Koufous

GAME OVER!
 
Sorry for the length, the typos, and calling the Nuggets Golden State. That is all.
 
First off.... Has anyone on here been paying attention AT ALL the last 20-25 games and have seen the importance James Jones has been overall to this team and in particular been a key cog in critical parts/situations of games and part of their success? Because it sure doesn't seem like it! 15th guy off bench??

James Jones has turned himself into a viable piece for the Cavs now and in the future. First off, James trusts him, knows he will space the floor and be exactly where he's supposed to be on drive and kicks, and most importantly.... Jones is a world class knock down shooter. Secondly.... He solidifies the terrific dynamic Griffin and Blatt's system he called for and been implemented by the front office relative to the position's versatility.

The 4 in Blatt's system requires a player who can pass, space the floor, and knock down the 3. So Blatt would in an ideal world have whoever logs the majority if it's minutes with a player with this skillset.

Now that Thompson has shown to he what looks to he a super sub of Love coming off the bench next year, his play creates a different dynamic entirely with the offense's scheme and helps exponentially in match up scenarios. But with the philosophy being the same of schematically and what skill set is preferred at the 4, Jones has become the perfect replacement of Love if a particular game plan exploits spreading the floor.

This allows Thompson to come in and create a great change of pace once entering the game, and his versatility in being able to play the 5 allows the Cavs to both avoid Thompson sacrificing minutes logged having to sacrifice a games particular game plan of attack. Perfect world scenario for the Cavs and James Jones along with all the other positive intangibles he brings is the PERFECT piece coming off the bench as the backup stretch 4.

So in saying all this, the two areas of need IMO to strengthen and bolster this roster this offseason is at the backup PG and SF(3) positions, and adding a versatile back up big (5).

Before going into my personal game plan and offseason strategy if left up to me, I would like to clear up something I read a lot on here. There is a large portion of people here and everywhere (including the media) who don't have the first clue to what the Cavs options are relative to the salary caps rules and their restraints. So for those of you who feel the Cavs best bet is not paying Tristan Thompson 15 million a year because you could sign another free agent at a much better 8 million bargain figure, and then use that 7 million excess savings figure you've created to fill another spot on the roster.... Please, with all due respect.... Stop reading here.

For those who have a general understanding of the Cap relative to the Cavs situation going into this offseason, I'd like to note something that I didn't understand fully at first myself. To be completely honest, I fell into the trap that if I was reading something written from an NBA beat writer or even worse, a popular local news affiliate whose PAID to cover and assumable understand these types of things regarding the Cavs... Well it must be true and the facts. Don't fall into this same trap. You'd be shocked by the real ignorance abound by people whose credentials should make inexcusable. But yet that's another topic.

A popular subject and article written and discussed by many was after all the deals and moves the Cavs made this year. Because of relative salary cap implications, and the rule the Cavs made possible years ago in not being able to trade 1st round picks in advance two years in row (Stepien Rule), the Cavs were hamstrung without the necessary assets to pull off one more deal in finding a back up point guard.

Two things that were constantly mentioned regarding this subject and constantly repeated was the Cavs could not and would not successfully be able to use Haywood's contract, a bargaining chip long believed to be the strongest in Cavs possession, and couldn't simply because although Haywood's amnestied ballooned salary if waived before August 1st would allow a team acquiring him to include outgoing salaries roughly up to 12.5 million to shed from its payroll (125% 10 million), in order for the value to be found to create a match the Cavs would need to include additional assets to make the price congruent for pith parties to make a deal work and because of the aforementioned Stepien rule, the Cavs no longer could include future picks and were out of ammo. To compound my confusion even further, SEVERAL writers and immediate sources came out and wrote articles discussing Haywood's unique contract and asset in particular and flat out said the Cavs were under the gun to use it to acquire a player before this years deadline and needed to be done or they would run the most likely risk of losing it's ability and inherit 'special' value in acquiring a significant piece still whole being over the cap because the Cavs nor any NBA team cannot execute a sign n trade agreement to bring in a player if they are over the cap apron. So since the Cavs bring over the apron being a mere formality next year, the Haywood contract in essence became dead in water once this years deadline passed.

Fortunately fir us fans and the Cavs in general, this simply just isn't true and the Cavs I'm fact do and can have the option and ability to add a significant piece if they decide to do so, whether they are over the apron or not. The only thing that would keep it from happening is Dan Gilbert vetoing it from a financial cost perspective, as the luxury tax cost when being over the apron and being a repeat offender in the subsequent years to follow would cost him millions in tax penalties... and millions as in yearly tax payments exceeding in yearly dollar amount bills north of what Gordon Gund paid for the entire franchise outright. But hey it's all relative right? What's the logic in deeming what's expensive and what's not to man whose not only a die hard Cavs fan as well as owner, but also happens to have built a billion dollar empire through the mortgage, real estate and now casino fields. The last people who needs to lecture Gilbert on financial advice and decisions is me so I'll keep telling myself and anyone else it's his $ to spend and the only person who knows what's deemed expensive to Gilbert is Dan Gilbert himself. (And ya prob his wife )

IMO what came off track and what was lost in the shuffle with the uninformed analysis in analyzing the Cavs financial-asset position was simply not reading the first sentence close enough in what they wrote, coupled with a vast majority of the players linked to what the Haywood contract could potentially bring in as a big 4 actually had validity to it.

What I mean by this is this... Every article I read said the same thing with the first sentence proclamation, followed with two key mentions.... All of which I'll highlight their existence in order.

The Cavs could not execute a SIGN AND TRADE (proclamation) for a player when over the the CAP APRON (1st key mention) and even if the were under the apron, don't have any more assets or draft picks to deal until after 2020 due to the Stepien rule.

After Haywood was acquired and the significance of it's inherit value was explained, the initial flood of names that it could potentially be used for was names like Roy Hibbert, Marc Gasol and players as such who al had one common denominator... They were all the cream of the crop of impending free agents lists of names and played a position (center in most cases) of need for the Cavs pre roster overhaul. So actually what was written as fact was partially true if it was specified in particular that yes in fact the Haywood contract could not land an impending free agent if over the apron because to do so, a sign and trade agreement would need completed and no team under the new CBA and do as such when over the Cap apron. This in fact is true and a fact.

Where I got suckered in by many media writers and the like was how they all verified with certainty that the notion the Cavs could not sign and trade for a player excluded then from ALTOGETHER not be able to add any pieces to the team matching Haywood's outgoing contract and that yes in fact the contract becomes useless next year when the Cavs approach and exceed the apron. This simply IS NOT TRUE!

Do people not realize that the Cavs acquired Kevin Love and wasn't done so by sign and trade, he wasn't an impending free agent and the Cavs simply matched salaries of his existing 15 million (125%) and acquired he and his bird rights via basic trade?? A sign and trade has an extension agreed upon BEFORE the deal is even finalized and gives a team losing it's free agent a pick or something otherwise it would not have and by agreeing to it, it allows a team without the existing cap room to bring the player in and go over their cap more in extending and this helps the player get more $ as well. Sign and trades are only done mainly for free agents so they can make more $ on their extensions and for a team to take advantage of their bird rights who are already over the cap. HOW on earth did everyone in the media come to the conclusion that ONLY an impending free agent would add value in bolstering the Cavs this offseason and for some reason a player(s) already under contract couldn't do the same!???

WHETHER THE CAVS APPROACH THE APRON, GO OVER, OR NOT THEY CAN STILL USE HAYWOOD'S CONTRACT and facilitate a 125% matching of outgoing/incoming basic trade with anyone to bolster their roster. The farther over the apron they go, the more tax they pay and loss of exception ability comes into play as well. So Haywood's contract to manys dismay is still in fact valuable which comes to my next point.

Unless the Cavs find a partner only interested in shedding salary (the new CBA and inflated cap make this even harder to find), the Cavs don't have 1st round picks to give because if Stepien rule. This one is tricky as well. Yes the Cavs can't trade any draft picks, BUT, they are allowed and it's permissible to trade the draft rights to players they select in the NBA draft immediately after doing so and right after the draft, or can sign their picks with exception relative to rookie deals and use their contract monies matching incoming players salaries, but just have to wait 60 days after a player signs in doing so. (Anyone remember Andrew Wiggins trade?)

So in wrapping this up, I want to debunk two theories being spread around as fact. First, the Cavs can still use Haywood's contract next offseason and acquire his any any other player under contract with the Cavs outgoing in a deal at 125% value short or over comparable value of a player or players acquired in a trade for players incoming UNDER contract. The Cavs cannot sign any free agents they do hot have birds rights control without using any league cap exceptions until they are below the cap, which may not happen until were all eating applesauce out of a straw. If over the apron, they also cannot execute any sign and trade agreements during the said year being over the apron. So basically unless browsing for mid level, bi annual, or vet minimum exception signing possibilities... Throw your free agent lists away!

Lastly the Cavs do not have future draft picks to send as assets to lake a deal as we sit today. The night of June 25th, however, they could be holding the draft rights to the 24th pick in the draft as well as their second rounder and THEN COULD include said players in a deal even before they are signed, hence at that point not having any 1at round picks to include I'm a Haywood debunked and proven not true.

Something interesting to note is the Cavs will however be under the gun in terms of a timeframe in order to use their left over remaining assets to their whole value/potential. Unlike Wiggins last year and needing his 6 million rookie scale level deal when matching up salaries to make the Love deal happen, the Cavs don't have this option and luckily won't need it either if they plan on packaging the picks with Haywood's contract. Haywood's deal kicks in as guaranteed August 1st so the team acquiring Haywood to clear the 12 odd million of payroll must acquire and cut Haywood by August 1st, or his contract acquiring is useless or they rid a player with several years of unwanted salary.

So for teams wanting to shed 12 million dollars and acquire a 1st round pick they can essentially select themselves pre arranged... The Cavs poise to potentially be an attractive parameter for a team who can help bolster their bench. Only problem is said deal must happen between June 25th( night if draft) and Aug 1st (Haywood's contract becomes guaranteed). Because of the Aug 1st being so Close to June 25th, the Cavs player's draft rights would only be able to be included in the deal and not their rookie scale contract to be added on a la Wiggins to bring back an even more expensive player(s).

I've ran the numbers already and I know with certain variations it can be done so I'll let you or anyone interested intermit any players or contract salary numbers into these scenarios that make a trade and the contracts to work. Just work off of Haywood's balloon amount of 12 million and any additional player/contract can bring in contracts 125% of its value. Haywood himself would net over 12 million etc..

I see one scenario I'm absolutely in love with and hope to see come to fruition and that's again with our friends Golden State. Two things going for us is we have a great trading relationship with then already and also not only are they interested in going to a youth start over direction, we were the team help kick start the process for them by convincing them to let go of one of the best young centers of the game for provisional 1st round future picks that have pages attached explaining what needs to happen in order to own the pick(s).

Going into the offseason my is want to upgrade again back up PG, SF, and C. With Golden State, I see an opportunity to knock out 2 of these 3 with players who would strengthen the Cavs roster significantly. The good news is not only the Nuggets interested in 1st round selections, they are paying starter salaries to two players playing the SF position, something the Nuggets are in position or can afford to do unlike the Cavs. They can use a Haywood Cavs deal to shed 12 million off their bottom line, or use the savings to diversify their roster at other positions of need... Either is a win win.

The Nuggets two small are starter Wilson Chandler and back up Danilo Gallinari. Interestingly enough, Gallinari makes several more million than the starter Chandler and although Gallinari caught fire towards the end of this season (had a game of 50 plus), the Cavs could be in prime position to pluck what I believe would be the Cavs rosters perfect solution and fit for the back up 3 with his shooting, length and scoring pedigree. (As well as age and versatility)

I know the front office likes Chandler and at one point was looking into him pre Lebron days and he would be nothing to be confused as a constellation prize. He would be a great for for the Cavs as well and I think the Cavs can put together a package to land one of them. Not stopping there, the Nuggets also have Jameer Nelson, a player who was coveted up to the trading deadline last year. He's the reflect backup veteran point guard that can still play.

Haywood straight up could net both Chandler and Nelson using 125%. In order to nab Gallinari, a player such as Joe Harris would need included, and possibly Delly although the timeline and his option may not align. To finish off the roster, I sign C Kosta Koufous to the full mid level, Ray Allen coming back out of retirement as the 3rd guard shooter (replaces Harris) and if Delly has to be involved, I sign Aaron Craft as my 3rd pg.

Haywood+rights to both 1st and 2nd rd picks '15 draft+ Harris
TO NUGGETS FOR
Danilo Gallinari or Wilson Chandler and Jameer Nelson.

Sign free agent Kosta Koufous who is recruited as back up center for when Andy leaves after next offseason.

Sign Ray Allen

PG: Irving/Nelson/Delly
SG: Shumpert/JR Smith/Allen
SF: James/Dallinari/Miller
PF: Love/Thompson/Jones
C: Mozgov/Varejao/Koufous

GAME OVER!

Holy shit, man. I appreciate you giving us unfettered access to your brain, but you might want to edit your next post some.

First, the vast majority of fans, at least on here, are well aware that we can trade Haywood for guys under contract next year. In fact there is a whole thread about it over in Cavs talk, so I'm not sure where you got the idea that we've all been mislead by the media.

Second, most fans are also aware that we can trade our pick this year during the draft. Again, we have a pretty knowledgeable group here.

Finally, I agree with you that Denver is probably a natural trade partner since they probably wouldn't mind offloading some salary considering the fact that they aren't likely to contend. I don't see them giving up Gallo, but Chandler is definitely a possibility since they were trying to move him last year. Also, I don't see Kosta coming here for the smaller MLE we'll have to offer (because of our cap status we don't have the full MLE as you suggest), because he'll want more money and more playing time.
 
First off.... Has anyone on here been paying attention AT ALL the last 20-25 games and have seen the importance James Jones has been overall to this team and in particular been a key cog in critical parts/situations of games and part of their success? Because it sure doesn't seem like it! 15th guy off bench??

James Jones has turned himself into a viable piece for the Cavs now and in the future. First off, James trusts him, knows he will space the floor and be exactly where he's supposed to be on drive and kicks, and most importantly.... Jones is a world class knock down shooter. Secondly.... He solidifies the terrific dynamic Griffin and Blatt's system he called for and been implemented by the front office relative to the position's versatility.

The 4 in Blatt's system requires a player who can pass, space the floor, and knock down the 3. So Blatt would in an ideal world have whoever logs the majority if it's minutes with a player with this skillset.

Now that Thompson has shown to he what looks to he a super sub of Love coming off the bench next year, his play creates a different dynamic entirely with the offense's scheme and helps exponentially in match up scenarios. But with the philosophy being the same of schematically and what skill set is preferred at the 4, Jones has become the perfect replacement of Love if a particular game plan exploits spreading the floor.

This allows Thompson to come in and create a great change of pace once entering the game, and his versatility in being able to play the 5 allows the Cavs to both avoid Thompson sacrificing minutes logged having to sacrifice a games particular game plan of attack. Perfect world scenario for the Cavs and James Jones along with all the other positive intangibles he brings is the PERFECT piece coming off the bench as the backup stretch 4.

So in saying all this, the two areas of need IMO to strengthen and bolster this roster this offseason is at the backup PG and SF(3) positions, and adding a versatile back up big (5).

Before going into my personal game plan and offseason strategy if left up to me, I would like to clear up something I read a lot on here. There is a large portion of people here and everywhere (including the media) who don't have the first clue to what the Cavs options are relative to the salary caps rules and their restraints. So for those of you who feel the Cavs best bet is not paying Tristan Thompson 15 million a year because you could sign another free agent at a much better 8 million bargain figure, and then use that 7 million excess savings figure you've created to fill another spot on the roster.... Please, with all due respect.... Stop reading here.

For those who have a general understanding of the Cap relative to the Cavs situation going into this offseason, I'd like to note something that I didn't understand fully at first myself. To be completely honest, I fell into the trap that if I was reading something written from an NBA beat writer or even worse, a popular local news affiliate whose PAID to cover and assumable understand these types of things regarding the Cavs... Well it must be true and the facts. Don't fall into this same trap. You'd be shocked by the real ignorance abound by people whose credentials should make inexcusable. But yet that's another topic.

A popular subject and article written and discussed by many was after all the deals and moves the Cavs made this year. Because of relative salary cap implications, and the rule the Cavs made possible years ago in not being able to trade 1st round picks in advance two years in row (Stepien Rule), the Cavs were hamstrung without the necessary assets to pull off one more deal in finding a back up point guard.

Two things that were constantly mentioned regarding this subject and constantly repeated was the Cavs could not and would not successfully be able to use Haywood's contract, a bargaining chip long believed to be the strongest in Cavs possession, and couldn't simply because although Haywood's amnestied ballooned salary if waived before August 1st would allow a team acquiring him to include outgoing salaries roughly up to 12.5 million to shed from its payroll (125% 10 million), in order for the value to be found to create a match the Cavs would need to include additional assets to make the price congruent for pith parties to make a deal work and because of the aforementioned Stepien rule, the Cavs no longer could include future picks and were out of ammo. To compound my confusion even further, SEVERAL writers and immediate sources came out and wrote articles discussing Haywood's unique contract and asset in particular and flat out said the Cavs were under the gun to use it to acquire a player before this years deadline and needed to be done or they would run the most likely risk of losing it's ability and inherit 'special' value in acquiring a significant piece still whole being over the cap because the Cavs nor any NBA team cannot execute a sign n trade agreement to bring in a player if they are over the cap apron. So since the Cavs bring over the apron being a mere formality next year, the Haywood contract in essence became dead in water once this years deadline passed.

Fortunately fir us fans and the Cavs in general, this simply just isn't true and the Cavs I'm fact do and can have the option and ability to add a significant piece if they decide to do so, whether they are over the apron or not. The only thing that would keep it from happening is Dan Gilbert vetoing it from a financial cost perspective, as the luxury tax cost when being over the apron and being a repeat offender in the subsequent years to follow would cost him millions in tax penalties... and millions as in yearly tax payments exceeding in yearly dollar amount bills north of what Gordon Gund paid for the entire franchise outright. But hey it's all relative right? What's the logic in deeming what's expensive and what's not to man whose not only a die hard Cavs fan as well as owner, but also happens to have built a billion dollar empire through the mortgage, real estate and now casino fields. The last people who needs to lecture Gilbert on financial advice and decisions is me so I'll keep telling myself and anyone else it's his $ to spend and the only person who knows what's deemed expensive to Gilbert is Dan Gilbert himself. (And ya prob his wife )

IMO what came off track and what was lost in the shuffle with the uninformed analysis in analyzing the Cavs financial-asset position was simply not reading the first sentence close enough in what they wrote, coupled with a vast majority of the players linked to what the Haywood contract could potentially bring in as a big 4 actually had validity to it.

What I mean by this is this... Every article I read said the same thing with the first sentence proclamation, followed with two key mentions.... All of which I'll highlight their existence in order.

The Cavs could not execute a SIGN AND TRADE (proclamation) for a player when over the the CAP APRON (1st key mention) and even if the were under the apron, don't have any more assets or draft picks to deal until after 2020 due to the Stepien rule.

After Haywood was acquired and the significance of it's inherit value was explained, the initial flood of names that it could potentially be used for was names like Roy Hibbert, Marc Gasol and players as such who al had one common denominator... They were all the cream of the crop of impending free agents lists of names and played a position (center in most cases) of need for the Cavs pre roster overhaul. So actually what was written as fact was partially true if it was specified in particular that yes in fact the Haywood contract could not land an impending free agent if over the apron because to do so, a sign and trade agreement would need completed and no team under the new CBA and do as such when over the Cap apron. This in fact is true and a fact.

Where I got suckered in by many media writers and the like was how they all verified with certainty that the notion the Cavs could not sign and trade for a player excluded then from ALTOGETHER not be able to add any pieces to the team matching Haywood's outgoing contract and that yes in fact the contract becomes useless next year when the Cavs approach and exceed the apron. This simply IS NOT TRUE!

Do people not realize that the Cavs acquired Kevin Love and wasn't done so by sign and trade, he wasn't an impending free agent and the Cavs simply matched salaries of his existing 15 million (125%) and acquired he and his bird rights via basic trade?? A sign and trade has an extension agreed upon BEFORE the deal is even finalized and gives a team losing it's free agent a pick or something otherwise it would not have and by agreeing to it, it allows a team without the existing cap room to bring the player in and go over their cap more in extending and this helps the player get more $ as well. Sign and trades are only done mainly for free agents so they can make more $ on their extensions and for a team to take advantage of their bird rights who are already over the cap. HOW on earth did everyone in the media come to the conclusion that ONLY an impending free agent would add value in bolstering the Cavs this offseason and for some reason a player(s) already under contract couldn't do the same!???

WHETHER THE CAVS APPROACH THE APRON, GO OVER, OR NOT THEY CAN STILL USE HAYWOOD'S CONTRACT and facilitate a 125% matching of outgoing/incoming basic trade with anyone to bolster their roster. The farther over the apron they go, the more tax they pay and loss of exception ability comes into play as well. So Haywood's contract to manys dismay is still in fact valuable which comes to my next point.

Unless the Cavs find a partner only interested in shedding salary (the new CBA and inflated cap make this even harder to find), the Cavs don't have 1st round picks to give because if Stepien rule. This one is tricky as well. Yes the Cavs can't trade any draft picks, BUT, they are allowed and it's permissible to trade the draft rights to players they select in the NBA draft immediately after doing so and right after the draft, or can sign their picks with exception relative to rookie deals and use their contract monies matching incoming players salaries, but just have to wait 60 days after a player signs in doing so. (Anyone remember Andrew Wiggins trade?)

So in wrapping this up, I want to debunk two theories being spread around as fact. First, the Cavs can still use Haywood's contract next offseason and acquire his any any other player under contract with the Cavs outgoing in a deal at 125% value short or over comparable value of a player or players acquired in a trade for players incoming UNDER contract. The Cavs cannot sign any free agents they do hot have birds rights control without using any league cap exceptions until they are below the cap, which may not happen until were all eating applesauce out of a straw. If over the apron, they also cannot execute any sign and trade agreements during the said year being over the apron. So basically unless browsing for mid level, bi annual, or vet minimum exception signing possibilities... Throw your free agent lists away!

Lastly the Cavs do not have future draft picks to send as assets to lake a deal as we sit today. The night of June 25th, however, they could be holding the draft rights to the 24th pick in the draft as well as their second rounder and THEN COULD include said players in a deal even before they are signed, hence at that point not having any 1at round picks to include I'm a Haywood debunked and proven not true.

Something interesting to note is the Cavs will however be under the gun in terms of a timeframe in order to use their left over remaining assets to their whole value/potential. Unlike Wiggins last year and needing his 6 million rookie scale level deal when matching up salaries to make the Love deal happen, the Cavs don't have this option and luckily won't need it either if they plan on packaging the picks with Haywood's contract. Haywood's deal kicks in as guaranteed August 1st so the team acquiring Haywood to clear the 12 odd million of payroll must acquire and cut Haywood by August 1st, or his contract acquiring is useless or they rid a player with several years of unwanted salary.

So for teams wanting to shed 12 million dollars and acquire a 1st round pick they can essentially select themselves pre arranged... The Cavs poise to potentially be an attractive parameter for a team who can help bolster their bench. Only problem is said deal must happen between June 25th( night if draft) and Aug 1st (Haywood's contract becomes guaranteed). Because of the Aug 1st being so Close to June 25th, the Cavs player's draft rights would only be able to be included in the deal and not their rookie scale contract to be added on a la Wiggins to bring back an even more expensive player(s).

I've ran the numbers already and I know with certain variations it can be done so I'll let you or anyone interested intermit any players or contract salary numbers into these scenarios that make a trade and the contracts to work. Just work off of Haywood's balloon amount of 12 million and any additional player/contract can bring in contracts 125% of its value. Haywood himself would net over 12 million etc..

I see one scenario I'm absolutely in love with and hope to see come to fruition and that's again with our friends Golden State. Two things going for us is we have a great trading relationship with then already and also not only are they interested in going to a youth start over direction, we were the team help kick start the process for them by convincing them to let go of one of the best young centers of the game for provisional 1st round future picks that have pages attached explaining what needs to happen in order to own the pick(s).

Going into the offseason my is want to upgrade again back up PG, SF, and C. With Golden State, I see an opportunity to knock out 2 of these 3 with players who would strengthen the Cavs roster significantly. The good news is not only the Nuggets interested in 1st round selections, they are paying starter salaries to two players playing the SF position, something the Nuggets are in position or can afford to do unlike the Cavs. They can use a Haywood Cavs deal to shed 12 million off their bottom line, or use the savings to diversify their roster at other positions of need... Either is a win win.

The Nuggets two small are starter Wilson Chandler and back up Danilo Gallinari. Interestingly enough, Gallinari makes several more million than the starter Chandler and although Gallinari caught fire towards the end of this season (had a game of 50 plus), the Cavs could be in prime position to pluck what I believe would be the Cavs rosters perfect solution and fit for the back up 3 with his shooting, length and scoring pedigree. (As well as age and versatility)

I know the front office likes Chandler and at one point was looking into him pre Lebron days and he would be nothing to be confused as a constellation prize. He would be a great for for the Cavs as well and I think the Cavs can put together a package to land one of them. Not stopping there, the Nuggets also have Jameer Nelson, a player who was coveted up to the trading deadline last year. He's the reflect backup veteran point guard that can still play.

Haywood straight up could net both Chandler and Nelson using 125%. In order to nab Gallinari, a player such as Joe Harris would need included, and possibly Delly although the timeline and his option may not align. To finish off the roster, I sign C Kosta Koufous to the full mid level, Ray Allen coming back out of retirement as the 3rd guard shooter (replaces Harris) and if Delly has to be involved, I sign Aaron Craft as my 3rd pg.

Haywood+rights to both 1st and 2nd rd picks '15 draft+ Harris
TO NUGGETS FOR
Danilo Gallinari or Wilson Chandler and Jameer Nelson.

Sign free agent Kosta Koufous who is recruited as back up center for when Andy leaves after next offseason.

Sign Ray Allen

PG: Irving/Nelson/Delly
SG: Shumpert/JR Smith/Allen
SF: James/Dallinari/Miller
PF: Love/Thompson/Jones
C: Mozgov/Varejao/Koufous

GAME OVER!

TL;DR

James Jones is replaceable by anybody that can play a lick of D, can actually guard the 4 spot (or 3 for that matter) and can hit a few 3balls.

I really don't care if he is LeBron's boy. He can still be LeBron's boy off the court.

Bringing everyone back aka "keeping the band together" is always a fan favorite. But changes are bound to be made as LeBron's motto will continue to be "continue to get better".
 
Holy shit, man. I appreciate you giving us unfettered access to your brain, but you might want to edit your next post some.

First, the vast majority of fans, at least on here, are well aware that we can trade Haywood for guys under contract next year. In fact there is a whole thread about it over in Cavs talk, so I'm not sure where you got the idea that we've all been mislead by the media.

Second, most fans are also aware that we can trade our pick this year during the draft. Again, we have a pretty knowledgeable group here.

Finally, I agree with you that Denver is probably a natural trade partner since they probably wouldn't mind offloading some salary considering the fact that they aren't likely to contend. I don't see them giving up Gallo, but Chandler is definitely a possibility since they were trying to move him last year. Also, I don't see Kosta coming here for the smaller MLE we'll have to offer (because of our cap status we don't have the full MLE as you suggest), because he'll want more money and more playing time.
That's funny you say this and speak for everyone because although I am new on this forum, 90% of the posts I read regarding offseason plans mention free agency targets which someone in the know such a you and the majority if the board should know right off rip... But obviously don't. I mentioned the other because u was actually misled into the belief because I believed who I was reading and I most definitely consider myself in tune with the Cavs and their options regarding salary cap restraints . Excuse me got my observation, I apologize. I obviously came up with the wrong impression. The L Aldridge thread where not one poster with the knowledge you suggest correcting an entire basis of a threads impossibility put this over the top for me. Go Cavs!
 
That's funny you say this and speak for everyone because although I am new on this forum, 90% of the posts I read regarding offseason plans mention free agency targets which someone in the know such a you and the majority if the board should know right off rip... But obviously don't. I mentioned the other because u was actually misled into the belief because I believed who I was reading and I most definitely consider myself in tune with the Cavs and their options regarding salary cap restraints . Excuse me got my observation, I apologize. I obviously came up with the wrong impression. The L Aldridge thread where not one poster with the knowledge you suggest correcting an entire basis of a threads impossibility put this over the top for me. Go Cavs!

Welcome to the board. I never said all fans, because you're right that there are plenty of people on here that are misinformed. Sorry if I came off as harsh, just trying to give you constructive criticism so that more people will engage with your posts. The LMA thread you reference does feature a sign and trade scenario for Aldridge that, while incredibly complicated and highly unlikely, is actually possible, but go Cavs, indeed.
 
I've brought this up before, but I'm curious to see if we go after any of the Rich Paul/Mark Termini/Klutch Sports roster of FA.

This includes: Norris Cole, Kevin Seraphin, Corey Joseph, Kosta Koufus, and of course our own Tristan Thompson.

Besides the obvious LeBron/Rich Paul connection, Cole and Joseph both have previous NE OHio connections and Corey Joseph is a Canadien born player who like Tristan went the UT.

I think Seraphin and Koufus will likely end up with a much higher contract than the taxpayer MLE we can offer but lets see if the connection and lure of winning can get them to think about a 2 year deal, with the ability to cash in bigger down the road.

Cole and Joseph are both Restricted so that could get tricky, though both the Spurs and Pelicans might be trying to save money under the cap in order to make runs at specific big ticket FA's

Klutch Sports also reps Montrezl Harrell and Trey Lyles in the draft.
 
If Cavs manage to get Roy Hibbert while his value is low, Damn it's over to the rest of the league.

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I've brought this up before, but I'm curious to see if we go after any of the Rich Paul/Mark Termini/Klutch Sports roster of FA.

This includes: Norris Cole, Kevin Seraphin, Corey Joseph, Kosta Koufus, and of course our own Tristan Thompson.

Besides the obvious LeBron/Rich Paul connection, Cole and Joseph both have previous NE OHio connections and Corey Joseph is a Canadien born player who like Tristan went the UT.

I think Seraphin and Koufus will likely end up with a much higher contract than the taxpayer MLE we can offer but lets see if the connection and lure of winning can get them to think about a 2 year deal, with the ability to cash in bigger down the road.

Cole and Joseph are both Restricted so that could get tricky, though both the Spurs and Pelicans might be trying to save money under the cap in order to make runs at specific big ticket FA's

Klutch Sports also reps Montrezl Harrell and Trey Lyles in the draft.

Corey is a good system player, but I rather have Nate Robinson be on the court together with LeBron and JR

Cole cant shoot to save his life

Koufus could be a cheap big which is nice

Kevin Seraphin as the enforcer if Perkins gets released. But I really cant see this happening
 
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We were this close to trading for Cole at the deadline, but that was obviously before Delly's playoff run, so I'm not sure what the level of interest is now.

The interest in Koufos is well documented and I can see us making a run at Seraphin, but both will more than likely be out of our price range.
 
We were this close to trading for Cole at the deadline, but that was obviously before Delly's playoff run, so I'm not sure what the level of interest is now.

The interest in Koufos is well documented and I can see us making a run at Seraphin, but both will more than likely be out of our price range.
How long does a signed FA have to be with a team before their team gets his Bird right?

In other words, could someone like Koufus or Seraphin sign up for two years at the taxpayer MLE knowing a much larger payday was on its way?

I think Coles value would be in his defense, his familiarity with LeBron, the fact that Kyrie is often dinged up, and the fact that Delly can play both guard spots. But at this point I might target another true center/rim protector and/or a young athletic SF before I targeted another PG
 
Early Bird rights kicks in at 2 years. A limited form of the full Bird Rights which kick in at 3 years, and Larry Coon has all the details on his FAQ.

For these other guys, I guess it depends what type of contract we'd be offering.

I really don't like Seraphin, regardless who represents him. He's just not a smart player. I really don't see how he fits, and I really don't want him at all. Washington got better when Drew Gooden of all people took his minutes.

Koufos will surely want more money and/or a larger role than he would have in Cleveland.

Cole is sort of meh, but if he would be cheap he'd be fine. I don't have a sense of his market value.

Joseph would be interesting as a combo guard who does a lot of good things, but I can't imagine San Antonio letting him walk. I'm sure they will pay him more than the taxpayers MLE which is presumably all the Cavs could offer. And if San Antonio is looking to make a free agent splash, some other team likely will be interested in Joseph.
 
We were this close to trading for Cole at the deadline, but that was obviously before Delly's playoff run, so I'm not sure what the level of interest is now.

The interest in Koufos is well documented and I can see us making a run at Seraphin, but both will more than likely be out of our price range.
Do you think Mike Miller rethinks playing another year based on how bad he looks?
Would like to use his roster spot for a guy like Bellanari.
 
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I obviously came up with the wrong impression. The L Aldridge thread where not one poster with the knowledge you suggest correcting an entire basis of a threads impossibility put this over the top for me. Go Cavs!

Actually bro, if you go back to that thread and look for my posts, you'd see I did exactly that.

I've said, repeatedly, the Cavs can and should look to restructure our contracts so that we can add talent. I've also went into pretty much every possible use of the Haywood contract in the LMA thread, ranging from using it in an S&T, to a straight up trade, to not using it at all.
 
Do you think Mike Miller rethinks playing another year based on how bad he looks?
Would like to use his roster spot for a guy like Bellanari.

Miller isn't going anywhere unless we trade him or buy him out (which doesn't help us salary wise).
 

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