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Various greenery is going in, Alley Cats looks really nice.

Overall, starting to look very attractive from across the river:

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I was just at Larry Flynt's the other day & definitely didn't see a lot of greenery around there...


Ay-yo. :mf boobies:
 
Write-up on FWD from Cleveland.com:

Link (pictures included):
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainm...st_look_fwd_club_brings_veg.html#incart_river

First look: FWD club brings Vegas-style pool party to Cleveland Flats (photos)

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- You still see the construction machinery. The dumpsters overflowing with debris. The men and women in the hard hats.

But the dust is starting to settle on the much-anticipated Flats East Bank Project.

Onward, forward.

Er, make that FWD. The 15,000-square-foot open-air club is slated to open this weekend.

FWD will roll out a pool and deck area, cabanas, a dance floor and a stage. The 1,000-capacity venue, located alongside the Cuyahoga River on the northern end of the Flats East Bank project, will also be open day and night – hence its full name, FWD Dayclub + Nightclub Cleveland.

Created out of repurposed shipping containers, FWD shoehorns Vegas glitz into Cleveland grit.

"I like a lot of places in Vegas ," says Michael Schwartz, who developed the concept with his partner, Bobby Rutter. "Then I look around and see these bridges and the railroad tracks and the river and it just seemed to make sense to combine these different environments."

FWD is part of the $750 million Flats development, which brings a mix of residences and businesses to the east bank of the Cuyahoga and includes eateries by Cleveland chefs Zack Bruell and Steve Schimoler and a soon-to-open dueling piano bar called The Big Bang.

Schwartz, a veteran of the bar scene, designed clubs such as Tramp in Funky Buddha – clubs that led the Warehouse District overtaking the old Flats at the beginning of the millennium.

"I always wanted to bring an outdoor Vegas style to Cleveland and embrace aspects of Cleveland," says Schwartz, who referenced the pool at the Palms Casino, which bills itself as "Living the Daylife." "But we also wanted to do something different."
The smokestack installed in the middle of the bar is a new touch for the club scene. So are the containers which are assembled to create walls for the club.

Of course, Cleveland is not Vegas – and nowhere more than when it comes to the weather. The seasonal club was initially scheduled to open in May to take advantage of Cleveland's prime weather months because it has no roof.

"There was a delay, but it was a general delay in the entire project," says Rutter. "We're going to be the first to open."

The club, which also offers private memberships, will close down for the year in October.

"We're hoping the weather cooperates – we're also praying," adds Schwartz, with a laugh.

FWD will make its soft opening on Friday, followed by a Grand Opening Saturday.

It will host daytime pool parties and DJ nights. It will also bring South Beach sensibilities and high-roller packages to the river.

On Aug.14, it will throw a Sunset Pool Party, featuring Canadian electronic duo DVBBS.

Tickets, $40, do not include pool privileges. The $100 ticket gets you access to the pool, along with the day beds and VIP dance floor (if you don't want to dance with the commoners). If you have a grand to blow, you can snag the Private Cabanas package, which includes six tickets, two bottles of premium liquor and a bottle of Moet, access to the VIP dance floor and DJ booth – and, yup, the pool.

For tickets, go here. For info on the club, check out fwdnightclub.com.
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It's a cool concept and it looks really nicely executed. I just can't wrap my head around an exclusively outdoor club in Cleveland that will operate May-October. You'll be lucky to get a combined week's use out of it in May - same can be said of October.

And when it's not warm enough, what about the rain?

I'm guessing that's the reasoning for the high price point - hoping to recoup lost revenue from the down season, but that just makes it even less likely to succeed.

High prices, limited availability due to the climate. Not sure it's going to make it. Has a concept like this been tested out in similarly bipolar climate like Chicago? Milwaukee? Even NYC?

*EDIT: Entry price is only $40 (Gen Ad) for the "Pool Party" Concert on 8/14. I wonder what normal cover charge will be.
 
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Binkster said:
Write-up on FWD from Cleveland.com:

Link (pictures included):
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainm...st_look_fwd_club_brings_veg.html#incart_river



It's a cool concept and it looks really nicely executed. I just can't wrap my head around an exclusively outdoor club in Cleveland that will operate May-October. You'll be lucky to get a combined week's use out of it in May - same can be said of October.

And when it's not warm enough, what about the rain?

I'm guessing that's the reasoning for the high price point - hoping to recoup lost revenue from the down season, but that just makes it even less likely to succeed.

High prices, limited availability due to the climate. Not sure it's going to make it. Has a concept like this been tested out in similarly bipolar climate like Chicago? Milwaukee? Even NYC?

*EDIT: Entry price is only $40 (Gen Ad) for the "Pool Party" Concert on 8/14. I wonder what normal cover charge will be.
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Yeah, is there indoor space that they use to make money Nov through March?
 
Thirsty Parrot doesn't seem to have a problem only being open for the summer. Of course they probably have a much smaller overhead, and also have the advantage of tons of people going there on the weekends before tribe games.
 
el_capitan said:
Thirsty Parrot doesn't seem to have a problem only being open for the summer. Of course they probably have a much smaller overhead, and also have the advantage of tons of people going there on the weekends before tribe games.
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So I assume that there is nothing going on in the west bank?
What are the major things that are going to be completed by the RNC convention?
Also, for anyone living in Downtown Cle? How do much do you like it? And how much ebtter do you think it can get?
 
ajz20 said:
So I assume that there is nothing going on in the west bank?
What are the major things that are going to be completed by the RNC convention?
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West Bank has Shooters, the Aquarium, Windows, Music Box Supper Club/Rusty Anchor, and a couple of gentlemen's clubs ;). It's at least got a semblance of business over there (which East Bank has sorely lacked for over a decade). And my guess is once the East Bank starts thriving, West Bank will be getting a slew of proposals from new restauranteurs and venture capitalists.

I believe the East Bank will be pretty much complete by 2016.

As far as a recap of 2016 project completions for downtown in its entirety, not sure. I know there's a ton.
 
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Binkster said:
West Bank has Shooters, the Aquarium, Windows, Music Box Supper Club/Rusty Anchor, and a couple of gentlemen's clubs ;). It's at least got a semblance of business over there (which East Bank has sorely lacked for over a decade). And my guess is once the East Bank starts thriving, West Bank will be getting a slew of proposals from new restauranteurs and venture capitalists.

I believe the East Bank will be pretty much complete by 2016.

As far as a recap of 2016 project completions for downtown in its entirety, not sure. I know there's a ton.
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You live downtown. If so do you think Cle will continue to attract the 20 and 30 somethings professionals to move downtown over the next 10-15 years? How much can the city really grow? Cle will never be Chicago, but a downtown that is a goal to strive for IMO is Kansas City. If you have been there you probably know what I mean.
 
ajz20 said:
You live downtown. If so do you think Cle will continue to attract the 20 and 30 somethings professionals to move downtown over the next 10-15 years? How much can the city really grow? Cle will never be Chicago, but a downtown that is a goal to strive for IMO is Kansas City. If you have been there you probably know what I mean.
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I actually live in Lakewood about a 10-15 minute drive away. I'm 25 and my friends and I are down there all the time.

Regarding growth, I don't see why not? There are wait lists at apartment complexes all over the area. I have several friends living down there and many more who have been wait listed. Demand is sky high. Has been that way for at least 5 years and as time goes on, more and more development is taking place down there (plans for retail, restaurants, Public Square, etc.) - as long as that trend continues, so will the trend for occupancy.

I don't think Chicago is a goal that Cleveland even wants to attain. You want that friendly, comfortable mid-market feel (without the crazed hustle and bustle) coupled with "new"/"clean" businesses and, frankly, things to do. They are well on their way.

Never been to KC, but I'll take you at your word. Pittsburgh (unfortunately) is another we have been striving for and I think we are close to catching up to them in terms of a total downtown rebirth. I've experienced it firsthand and Pitt has a nice downtown.
 
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Legalize Cannabis.

We've legalized gambling.

Legalize Cannabis and make loads of money off what is entirely a cash underground industry.

You'll be wondering where all this cash is even coming from.



There's millions of dollars changing hands everyday. All of it off the radar, underground, untaxed.



Meanwhile the taxpaying citizens of the world continue to have absurd amount of taxes deducted from their pay to house non-violent juvenile weed dealers.

You are paying to house, feed and shelter them for their weed related crimes. Those minor league drug dealers don't need their mind's polluted further by "doing time" with the real hard criminals.
 
Frank Reynolds said:
Legalize Cannabis.

We've legalized gambling.

Legalize Cannabis and make loads of money off what is entirely a cash underground industry.

You'll be wondering where all this cash is even coming from.



There's millions of dollars changing hands everyday. All of it off the radar, underground, untaxed.



Meanwhile the taxpaying citizens of the world continue to have absurd amount of taxes deducted from their pay to house non-violent juvenile weed dealers.

You are paying to house, feed and shelter them for their weed related crimes. Those minor league drug dealers don't need their mind's polluted further by "doing time" with the real hard criminals.
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Meh, who cares. It's not like if it's legal, the government will just give back all the tax money that was going to the jails. They'll keep the same tax rate and just use it on some other random thing.
 
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