Houston Deputy Murdered while pumping gas

[The Oi]

Thanks for this..

The "Black community" is laughable...

What community?

Do we have meetings and shit?

BLM does. Sharpton and Jesse Jackson do.

But like I mentioned in my post...that's about as far as I'd go with communities. Communities are groups of people who congregate and interact on a regular basis with a common bond, whether interest or location based.

For example...RCF is a community of sorts. ALL internet users are not a community.

Like are 60 year old guys who plays chess and checkers in a yahoo group and don't know how to use the google machine part of the same community as college kids that jack off to streaming porn and download music? Hardly.

 

[gourimoko]

BLM does.

That's a political movement - and many of it's members aren't Black.

A lot of the biggest advocates for BLM are Jewish..

Sharpton and Jesse Jackson do.

They have meetings with staffers and church leaders. I've been to a Jesse Jackson meeting - he wasn't the focal point and rarely do people take him seriously. His meetings often turn into fundraisers.

But like I mentioned in my post...that's about as far as I'd go with communities. Communities are groups of people who congregate and interact on a regular basis.

Right.

RCF is a community of sorts. ALL internet users are not a community.

Right.

 

[Randolphkeys]

If nothing else this could Change the World, and i am 100% sure right now that Layla has Tears in Heaven while Clapton's guitar Gently Weeps for the loss of shot Deputy, i wonder if the perpetrator was on Cocaine.

He's made a lot of money and he has a lot of powerful friends, and British people sound dignified when they testify. Clapton is going to plea this down and at worst stay in one of those private pay-to-stay country club prisons.

Marley on the other hand... he has a weird religion, dark skin, thick islander accent, and a drug addiction. He's getting locked up and they are throwing away the key.

 

[Maximus]

I never loved this phrase. It's too all-encompassing.

Like, if someone said the white community and lumped me into it I'd be pretty irritated. I don't want to be lumped in with white trash, child abusers, serial killers, etc who are white. And I wouldn't say I'm part of the same community as Mark Cuban, Warren Buffett and other 1%'ers who work together on a regular basis.

I don't think it's fair to do it to blacks.

Now if black people want to band together as a group to claim that they deserve recognition or treatment they aren't currently getting, then I suppose those groups can be a community of their own.

But is LeBron James part of the same community as the black dude that shot a cop the other day? Is Barack Obama part of the same community as the black dude who was hiding corpses inside of his creepy building in Cleveland? These guys lifestyles, income, locations are so different that they're barely the same species....however differently Barack would like us to feel.

I think there are groups of black people that push for certain rights and I think there's a mindset that ALL black people should band together for common causes, but the idea of a black community seems relatively pointless to me.

Hispanic community or Pacific Islander community seems ever more useless. Native Americans is really the only one that seems cohesive and specific enough.

The more I've re-read my own posts, the more I've realized that the way races are broken down in the US is completely ridiculous. Japanese barely have anything in common with Samoans and yet they're thrust into the same group? Totally different cultures and shit...body sizes.

Can we at least break gingers out and down into their own category?

Sorry Keys.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Can we at least break gingers out and down into their own category?

Sorry Keys.

Careful now, we are organizing:

http://adobochronicles.com/2015/07/01/san-francisco-to-host-ginger-pride-in-2016/

Soon we are going to be able to vote, then we will go after your lucky charms legally.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I never loved this phrase. It's too all-encompassing.
Like, if someone said the white community and lumped me into it I'd be pretty irritated. I don't want to be lumped in with white trash, child abusers, serial killers, etc who are white. And I wouldn't say I'm part of the same community as Mark Cuban, Warren Buffett and other 1%'ers who work together on a regular basis.

I don't think it's fair to do it to blacks.

You don't like that phrase? Then who said this?

"Has the local black community called for Ferry's head? Or is this more of a social media thing?"

http://realcavsfans.com/community/i...y-deng-cavs-scandal.44779/page-5#post-1973415

Or this:

I will save my life by introducing the black community of Sanford to super soldier serum, .

or this:

A man about the black community. Black people get me, always have. I'm basically pale Al Sharpton.

Then there's the guy who rated your post "winner"

To be told, All Lives Matter, and that the problems in the Black community are entirely economically driven misses the point of the movement; which is that there is a major racial component - outside of the control of Black victims - and that must be addressed by government.

Here's something fun -- try doing the search function for "black community" on RCF. Ten pages worth, including from a lot of black posters who I won't drag into this discussion because they're not part of it. But it was used repeatedly and in the exact same sense I which I used it..

Nobody seems to have any problem with someone saying something like "the black community was outraged by the shooting of Tamir Rice...." or "the community was stunned by the death of....." And not to be flip, but what exactly was Barack Obama organizing before he became a legislator? I did a quick google on that phrase and found this:

The AARP referring to "the African-American Community"

http://www.aarp.org/relationships/family/black_community/

Here's an article by a black guy citing a survey from Ebony magazine regarding the "black community':

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...lack_on_black_crime_suggesting_otherwise.html

And other references to using the term "black community" (by black people") to which nobody seemed to object:

http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2015/09/as-predominately-black-community-of.html

Here's a book written by a black guy that defines what he means by the term:

The black community is defined in this book as a diversified set of interrelated structures and aggregates of people who are held together by the forces of racism.

http://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED156759

So pardon me if I'm not too receptive to your highly-selective sanctimony.

I don't believe, nor did I imply, that every black person who lives in those neighborhoods thinks the same way. Nor do I believe/imply that one black person is somehow responsible for crimes committed by another just because they live in the same general place. I abhor the concept of group responsibility/guilt.

But when there are shootings, or issues of concern, you often get a parade of local leaders, activists, and ordinary citizens out marching asking for redress, or trying to raise awareness of an issue. They are choosing to band together to speak out collectively. So my point is that just as those voluntary groupings of people (and that's who I was specifically thinking of when I used the phrase "black community") , band together to speak out on issues, those same people are going to have to attempt to bridge the divide with the police if there is going to be any hope of significant improvement.

But is LeBron James part of the same community as the black dude that shot a cop the other day? Is Barack Obama part of the same community as the black dude who was hiding corpses inside of his creepy building in Cleveland?

No, and I never said they were. That's your inference, not my implication. But if public figures like LBJ and Obama choose to speak out on issues like police violence in black neighborhoods (and I know Obama has though I don't know about LBJ) then they are voluntarily part of the "black community" that is speaking out on those issues. And to the extent they are doing so, I think it would be wise to realize that reflexively pointing the fingers solely at police, as if every single shooting is unjustified, is not only wrong, but massively counterproductive in terms of improvement community/police relations.

 

[gourimoko]

You don't like that phrase? Then who said this?

"Has the local black community called for Ferry's head? Or is this more of a social media thing?"

http://realcavsfans.com/community/i...y-deng-cavs-scandal.44779/page-5#post-1973415

Or this:



or this:



Then there's the guy who rated your post "winner"



Try doing the search function for "black community" on RCF. Ten pages worth, including from a lot of black posters who I won't drag into this discussion because they're not part of it. But it was used repeatedly and in the exact same sense I went.

Nobody seems to have any problem with someone saying something like "the black community was outraged by the shooting of Tamir Rice...." or "the community was stunned by the death of....." And not to be flip, but what exactly was Barack Obama organizing before he became a legislator? I did a quick google on that phrase and found this:

The AARP referring to "the African-American Community"

http://www.aarp.org/relationships/family/black_community/

Here's an article by a black guy citing a survey from Ebony magazine regarding the "black community':

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...lack_on_black_crime_suggesting_otherwise.html

And other references to using the term "black community" (by black people") to which nobody seemed to object:

http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2015/09/as-predominately-black-community-of.html

Here's a book written by a black guy that defines what he means by the term:

The black community is defined in this book as a diversified set of interrelated structures and aggregates of people who are held together by the forces of racism.

http://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED156759

So pardon me if I'm not too receptive to your sanctimonious self-righteousness.

I don't believe, nor did I imply, that every black person who lives in those neighborhoods thinks the same way. Nor do I believe/imply that one black person is somehow responsible for crimes committed by another just because they live in the same general place. I actually abhor the concept of group responsibility/guilt.

But when there are shootings, or issues of concern, you often get a parade of local leaders, activists, and ordinary citizens out marching asking for redress or some form of government action. They are choosing to band together to speak out collectively. So my point is that just as those voluntary groupings of people (and that's who I was specifically thinking of when I used the phrase "black community") , band together to speak out on issues, those same people are going to have to attempt to bridge the divide with the police if there is going to be any hope of significant improvement.




Exactly my point. I'm simply saying that since many people in a given community choose to speak out collectively on some issues, this is one that should go on their agenda.



No, and I never said they were. But if public figures like LBJ and Obama choose to speak out on issues like police violence in black neighborhoods (and I know Obama has though I don't know about LBJ) then they are voluntarily part of the "black community" that is speaking out on those issues. And to the extent they are doing so, I think it would be wise to realize that reflexively pointing the fingers solely at police, as if every single shooting is unjustified, is not only wrong, but massively counterproductive in terms of improvement community/police relations.

Err.. using a term doesn't validate it..

Both myself and Oi have used the term community, but in doing so we're simultaneously recognizing how ridiculous it is.. It is literally explained in detail on the very last page.

The argument is that it's a commonly used misnomer, as there is no real "Black" community; just as there is no "White" community, or "Latino" community, or "Asian" community.

Commonly used misnomers are ... commonly used. Finding examples of their use doesn't validate their meaning or existence.

 

[Cavatt]

The bolded is already in place. Ever hear of quotas?

Those are illegal in most places lol.

Good article on how good police are at their jobs. I really do think part of it is poor training and following of rules. Guys who wanna be cops think they are cowboys.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/09/01/bloody-black-eye-for-albuquerque-police.htm

ALBUQUERQUE (CN) - An Albuquerque police detective's own supervisor shot him nine times on a drug bust, because the lieutenant hadn't attended the planning meeting for the operation, the detective claims in court.
Police Det. Jacob Grant sued Albuquerque, its Police Department and police Lt. Greg Brachle, on Aug. 26 in Bernalillo County Court.
It's the latest in a string of cases accusing Albuquerque police of incompetent, excessive and inappropriate use of force.
After a 1½-year investigation, the Department of Justice concluded in April 2014 that the Albuquerque Police Department's use of lethal force "was excessive and constituted an ongoing risk to the public." The city in November agreed to lengthy reform and monitoring procedures imposed by the Department of Justice .
But less than two months later, on Jan. 9 this year, Lt. Brachle shot Grant nine times with a .45 caliber handgun while Grant made an undercover $60 drug buy, according to the complaint. Grant nearly died. Almost all his internal organs were injured and he lost 80 percent of his blood.
Grant says Brachle shot him from less than 5 feet away, in broad daylight, during a planned operation involving other police officers with whom Brachle was communicating. It was in a MacDonald's parking lot at about 11 a.m.
Several layers of precautions guaranteed that the officers could recognize Grant and his fellow officer as undercover detectives, ranging from their clothing to where they sat in the car. But Brachle, who had missed the morning briefing for the sting, approached the vehicle after both suspects had been removed and taken into custody and shot him nine times, Grant says.
He claims that Brachle made a point of shooting him as thoroughly as possible, firing two shots into the center of his body, then repositioning himself and shooting him seven more times as Grant tried to crawl away, asking his boss to "please stop shooting."
Grant seeks punitive damages. His 27-page complaint cites a laundry list of regulations and rules that had to be broken for the police lieutenant to shoot his own detective.
Attached as an exhibit is the U.S. attorney's 46-page letter to the mayor of April 10, 2014, rehearsing the constitutional violations revealed by the federal investigation, including "structural and systemic deficiencies - including insufficient oversight, inadequate training and ineffective policies."
Albuquerque police have shot more than 40 people since 2010, and killed at least six no fewer than six fatal officer-involved shootings in the 16 months since April 2014 letter. Two officers have been charged with second-degree murder for the March 2014 killing of James Boyd, a homeless man.
Grant's attorney Alex Gabaldon did not respond to a request for comment Monday. The Albuquerque Police Department declined to comment.

 

[The Oi]

You don't like that phrase? Then who said this?

"Has the local black community called for Ferry's head? Or is this more of a social media thing?"

http://realcavsfans.com/community/i...y-deng-cavs-scandal.44779/page-5#post-1973415

Or this:



or this:



Then there's the guy who rated your post "winner"

You're asking me to take seriously my own schtick in other forums inside a thread where I'm having a serious conversation.

Not to put myself in such vaunted company, but if Louie CK was sponsoring an event supporting Holocaust survivors, would you sprint up to the front row to confront him with video where he said he thought Hitler had some good ideas and call him a hypocrite?

What's next...when I post in a thread supporting gay marriage are you going to call me out for accusing @Lord Mar of sucking dicks to find out if he's gay in a Cleveland Indians thread?

I mean these are posts where I used the phrases "super soldier serum," and "pale Al Sharpton," to describe things I'm contributing to make the "black community" better...

I can't believe I just explained my own jokes...

 

[No Regard]

Err.. using a term doesn't validate it..

If not, what then?

Both myself and Oi have used the term community, but in doing so we're simultaneously recognizing how ridiculous it is.. It is literally explained in detail on the very last page.

How do you know that others don't recognise the same thing?

The argument is that it's a commonly used misnomer, as there is no real "Black" community; just as there is no "White" community, or "Latino" community, or "Asian" community.

Commonly used misnomers are ... commonly used. Finding examples of their use doesn't validate their meaning or existence.

I wonder if I have read your post correctly: Are you hereby saying that it's okay to use a misnomer as long as one recognise the fact that it is?

If so, why are saying stuff like the following to other posters?

Thanks for this..

The "Black community" is laughable...

What community?

Do we have meetings and shit?

It's like when people call Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson leaders in the Black Community.. I always just smh..

It's just a lazy way to avoid doing real research and analysis - so instead of saying "Blacks" people say "the Black community."

 

[gourimoko]

If not, what then?

Usage doesn't change definition.

How do you know that others don't recognise the same thing?

Whether they do or not isn't really the point; it's a matter of point out a rather ridiculous colloquialism as inaccurately describing some amorphous group to which we can reference criticism or praise.

It's absurd in these kinds of conversations once you realize that there's no such thing as a "black community" or any other national racial community, AFAIK.

It's just a politically correct way of saying "Black people" or "Asians," etc, without saying something that might sound like a generalization - when in fact, that's exactly what it is, and we make generalizations all the time without even being aware of it.

I wonder if I have read your post correctly: Are you hereby saying that it's okay to use a misnomer as long as one recognise the fact that it is?

Yes of course!

To say otherwise would mean we need to stop using the term "French Fries," or "Jellyfish," etc..

Language is about conveyance of meaning. When someone talks about "French Fries," I know they aren't actually referencing something in, of, or from France. It's a commonly used misnomer.

If so, why are saying stuff like the following to other posters?

That post is to @The Oi ... umm.. I'm responding to his post about the phrase "Black (insert race here) Community."

What in there do you find odd?

"The "Black community" is laughable..." it is, it's a joke, there's really no such thing.. it's a commonly used misnomer.

"It's just a lazy way to avoid doing real research and analysis - so instead of saying "Blacks" people say "the Black community." -- this is true, and references @The Oi's comments about Asians being lumped into some non-representative group. It is lazy.

I'm not sure what it is you don't understand?

Btw, is there something you wanted to ask me? It seems like you're trying to find some fault in my posts?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

You're asking me to take seriously my own schtick in other forums inside a thread where I'm having a serious conversation.

If you want to give yourself a pass, fine. But gourimoko's post that I quoted was very seriousness. There was nothing remotely facetious about his use of "black community", nor any hint that he was condemning the use of the term in any way. Go reread it, and tell me where lies the irony or implied disapproval.

So why didn't you call out him, or any of the other black posters who've used that term in the same sense i did without it being a problem? Why the selective sanctimony?

Maybe before calling me out because you don't like the meaning that is sometimes attached to that term, you could perhaps have asked what i meant

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

What's next...when I post in a thread supporting gay marriage are you going to call me out for accusing @Lord Mar of sucking dicks to find out if he's gay in a Cleveland Indians thread?

If you called someone out for perpetuating gay stereotypes, then took the serious position that it is wrong to stereotype gays in another thread, you'd deserve to be called out.

Of course, if you support gay marriage but see nothing wrong with negative stereotyping of homosexual conduct, then I suppose it wouldn't be fair to call you out.
.

 

[Otsego Mar]

I ain't gay so let's quit that shit right quick.

No gay man sears the shit out of tubesteak like I do.

 

[gourimoko]

If you want to give yourself a pass, fine. But gourimoko's post that I quoted was very seriousness. There was nothing remotely facetious about his use of "black community", nor any hint that he was condemning the use of the term in any way. Go reread it, and tell me where lies the irony or implied disapproval.

But.. I'm not "condemning" the use of the term... I just said it's a commonly used misnomer..

What the fuck is going on in here? Why is it so hard to read the English language?

So why didn't you call out him, or any of the other black posters who've used that term in the same sense i did without it being a problem? Why the selective sanctimony?

He and I just talked about the term and I agreed with his assertion.. He's absolutely right.. His quote applies equally to both you and I..

Maybe before calling me out because you don't like the meaning that is sometimes attached to that term, you could perhaps have asked what i meant

I think you entirely missed the point of his post.