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Vizquel Has an Outside Shot at 3,000 Hits

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Omar has been playing well as of late, and has taken control of the starting 3B job for the White Sox. He's already matched his hit total from 2009, and is on pace to finish with 108 hits this season, which would put him at 2,812, 188 hits away from the magic number.

To reach 3,000, Vizquel would have to average 94 hits a year if he played two more, 62 hits a year if he played 3 more years, or 47 hits over 4 more years. He doesn't mind coming off the bench and said he enjoys it no matter what.

I wonder if Vizquel will take aim at 3,000, which would put to rest any doubt of his Hall of Fame credentials.

Thoughts?
 
Possible. He still plays well and has value in the league. Two big obstacles:

1. Injuries. The older you get, the more likely you get injured trying to play a boys game. Omar has been fortunate in this respect so far in his career.

2. Opportunity. It is doubtful that he is able to play two more years full time, IMO. Therefore, he would have to play almost every day next season, and I don't know who would be willing to take a risk on a 44 year old everyday infielder. Probably not gonna happen. That means playing part time in a utility role, and he would probably have to play at least three years injury-free and at a reasonable productivity level offensively to get to 3000.

Love the guy and would love to see him do it, but the odds are against him at this point.
 
I think that him getting to 3000 hits really doesn't matter in the whole scheme of things. I don't think he's particularly a hall of famer, but I'm not going to complain if he makes it eventually.

Career OPS+ of 83.
11 gold gloves, although at advanced metrics glance, several of these are questionable.

His longevity is very impressive.
 
I think that him getting to 3000 hits really doesn't matter in the whole scheme of things. I don't think he's particularly a hall of famer, but I'm not going to complain if he makes it eventually.

Career OPS+ of 83.
11 gold gloves, although at advanced metrics glance, several of these are questionable.

His longevity is very impressive.

Of course, often times advanced defensive metricts tend to contradict one another...so people will have a hard time taking either of them seriously.

I consider myself a pretty avid statistician as far as baseball goes and I even have a hard time lending some of them credibility.

Are we really apt to believe Asdrubal Cabrera is a -22 UZR guy?...I for one, having seen him play regularly, don't believe he is a detriment defensively.
 
I personally hate defensive metrics. But in a guy like Vizquel, people are going to be trumpeting the fact that he has 11 gold gloves.

I'd say he's probably equal parts Dave Concepion and Ozzie Smith.

He'd probably be a HOF lock if he did backflips, that much is certain :)
 
Omar was always one of my favorites. But, I've never thought of him as a great hitter or Hall of Famer. I agree that the odds are against him getting to 3000. But, you have to be impressed with the shape he's kept himself in for all these years.
 
I think that him getting to 3000 hits really doesn't matter in the whole scheme of things. I don't think he's particularly a hall of famer, but I'm not going to complain if he makes it eventually.

Career OPS+ of 83.
11 gold gloves, although at advanced metrics glance, several of these are questionable.

His longevity is very impressive.

That quote makes about as much sense as your avatar. A player getting 3,000 hits makes him a lock to be a HOFer, so yeah, it matters.
 
That quote makes about as much sense as your avatar. A player getting 3,000 hits makes him a lock to be a HOFer, so yeah, it matters.

If Harold Baines got 134 more hits, he would have been a hall of famer?
So if Fred McGriff had hit those extra 7 homers, he'd have been a HOFer too?

At this point in his career, it should be a situation where a voter knows whether or not they think Vizquel is a hall of fame player. If it really takes some dumb random number like 3000 in order to clinch someone's decision, then that person doesn't deserve a vote.

He's a notch above replacement level talent these days. It's basically an indictment of the WhiteSox that he's getting at bats at the major league level.

And the TinMan has no heart. Much like some dude that used to play here in cleveland. So it actually makes a lot of sense.
 
If Harold Baines got 134 more hits, he would have been a hall of famer?
So if Fred McGriff had hit those extra 7 homers, he'd have been a HOFer too?

At this point in his career, it should be a situation where a voter knows whether or not they think Vizquel is a hall of fame player. If it really takes some dumb random number like 3000 in order to clinch someone's decision, then that person doesn't deserve a vote.

He's a notch above replacement level talent these days. It's basically an indictment of the WhiteSox that he's getting at bats at the major league level.

And the TinMan has no heart. Much like some dude that used to play here in cleveland. So it actually makes a lot of sense.

The only guys with 3,000 hits that aren't in are Pete Rose, Craig Biggio, and Raffy Palmeiro. Rose is banned, Biggio isn't eligible yet (but will get in), and Palmeiro will miss because of PED's.

Yes, Baines would've been a HOFer with 3,000, and yes, McGriff's HOF candidacy would have greatly improved had he hit 500. I didn't say it SHOULD matter, but it does. The voting is certainly flawed.

As for "TinMan", your avatar tells me that you're not somebody that has a level-headed perspective on the guy and his policies, so I'm not even getting into that with you.

So back to topic - Vizquel getting 3,000 hits would certainly have a huge impact on him making the HOF.
 
People really question Omar being a HOF'er? Of course he gets in.
 
Three Things:

(1) I agree that 3000 hits, an arbitrary number, shouldn't be some magical password into the HOF, but I guess the voters need some objective standard for assessing candidates. I firmly believe that Omar should be inducted. We focus on offensive numbers for the HOF, but think how many runs Omar has saved with his range, in addition to how incredible he made the game look. Steve Nash will be in the HOF one day, but Shane Battier won't. Maybe we should really look at the big picture. At any rate, getting 3000 hits demonstrates that Omar was an all-around player; he was great in one facet of the game, and a legend in another.

(2) I have to agree that Ron's avatar is somewhat inaccurate. Coupled with accusations of being a Communist and Facist, Obama has been labeled three largely conflicting ideologies. It would be like if someone called me a Christian, a Muslim, and a Buddhist. Certain policies could be more "liberal" than others, but that doesn't make it socialist. Of course, our current politics dictate that those we disagree probably embody our worst enemies so Liberals are socialists, commies and nazis, and conservatives are racists, KKK, and well, Nazis. Makes perfect sense if you have no idea what the ideology means.

(3) More on the avatar. Can anyone still believe Heath Ledger is dead? I'm still upset about itm
 
i'd like to bring him back if he decides to play after this season
 
Three Things:

(1) I agree that 3000 hits, an arbitrary number, shouldn't be some magical password into the HOF, but I guess the voters need some objective standard for assessing candidates. I firmly believe that Omar should be inducted. We focus on offensive numbers for the HOF, but think how many runs Omar has saved with his range, in addition to how incredible he made the game look. Steve Nash will be in the HOF one day, but Shane Battier won't. Maybe we should really look at the big picture. At any rate, getting 3000 hits demonstrates that Omar was an all-around player; he was great in one facet of the game, and a legend in another.

(2) I have to agree that Ron's avatar is somewhat inaccurate. Coupled with accusations of being a Communist and Facist, Obama has been labeled three largely conflicting ideologies. It would be like if someone called me a Christian, a Muslim, and a Buddhist. Certain policies could be more "liberal" than others, but that doesn't make it socialist. Of course, our current politics dictate that those we disagree probably embody our worst enemies so Liberals are socialists, commies and nazis, and conservatives are racists, KKK, and well, Nazis. Makes perfect sense if you have no idea what the ideology means.

(3) More on the avatar. Can anyone still believe Heath Ledger is dead? I'm still upset about itm

Post of the day:thumbup:
 
i'd like to bring him back if he decides to play after this season

The perfect scenario would be bringing him in on a contending 2012 Indians team as a part time player and him getting his 3,000 hit at home during the Indians' 2012 World Championship season. Hey, we can dream, right?:)
 
The best way to figure out whether he's HOF-worthy is to look at the standards set for SS's making the HOF.

Hitting-wise, Omar is statistically better in all categories except SB when compared to Ozzie Smith and Luis Aparicio, who are considered two of the best SS's of all time.

The only HOF SS's that have more hits than him are Honus Wagner, Cal Ripken and Robin Yount. There's also only 4 HOF'ers with more runs than Omar, and Omar is a sure-fire bet to pass John Ward who had only 8 more than Omar's current number.

Three all star games, and 11 gold gloves, 9 of which were consecutive makes Omar a tough one to keep out.

The issues with Omar are no rings and a below average post-season career.
 

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