2011 NBA Redraft

[hud11]

So then why did they draft TT then? I mean 90% of us on here could have told them it was easiers to find a PF than a Center with skills? That pick will forever boggle my mind, and I don't have a problem at all with Thompson and have no idea of Jonas will pan out...but i'd still rather have a true Center on the roster who shown skills.

 

[MRMsix6]

The number of Euro players in the league has been rapidly rising over the years. Off the top of my head there are 8 Euros that are starting in the NBA that can play the C position...that's a pretty high percentage. I have no idea why anyone would consider the fact that a guy is from Europe a negative. There are "american" players that bust every year too. I bet the rate is higher than the Eurpoeans.

Bargnani starting F/C
Pau Gasol starting F/C
Marc Gasol starting C
Marcin Gortat starting C
Luis Scola starting F/C
Nicola Pekovic starting C
Zaza Pachulia starting C
Timofey Mozgov starting C

Hate to be that guy, but Scola and Mozgov are not Euros. Zaza isn't really either, Georgia is sort of Eurasia.

 

[mAo_mAo]

JV is also younger, more skilled, and has more potential than TT. JV also have a better trade value just by being a Center. We will never know the approach of the Cavs brass on that draft day. I just hope this will not bite them in the ass going forward.

 

[Mike C]

Please stop, Max. You've got me imagining a world where drafting any of Davis, Drummond, Robinson, Sullinger, Moultrie, and even Perry or Terrence Jones, if it came to that, would make absolute sense without any positional contortions or conceding our most recent #4 pick to be a bench player.

I completely agree, which is why if a trade includes adding Thompson to acquire a truly elite, properly-sized big, the Cavs should keep an open mind. Heck, after this report (which shows just how much Thorpe loves Thompson, not where he would really be selected IMO), Thompson's value may never be higher than it will be this Summer.

 

[mAo_mAo]

AV and Sac 1st for Jonas V!

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

Oh well, thats too bad. Guess we will just have to find another center down the road.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

JV is also younger, more skilled, and has more potential than TT. JV also have a better trade value just by being a Center. We will never know the approach of the Cavs brass on that draft day. I just hope this will not bite them in the ass going forward.

True. But at least if Jonas does end up being a beast (and i will gladly be here to eat crow) it won't be on team that is in title contention. The Raptors have young players but none of them are really all that good. Derozen is regressing, Ed Davis has low-upside, Bargnani can score and block a shot or two, Calderon is solid, etc. Jonas is going to have his work cut out for him in the situation.

 

[rabman_gold]

I understand if the Cavs regret not having Jonas, but having Thompson as a consolation prize isn't the most horrible thing I've heard. We can still get a necessary amount of pieces, but it'll have to be through other methods. Unorthodox ones. We can always find a diamond in the rough at the center spot through the next two years of draft and free agency and I'm sure the Cavs will look to hit on that. In the meantime, we get to have quality swingmen through the draft, trade the unwanteds through their expirings similar to Sessions (at a steeper price), and we still have Andy as another big man to work with for a few more years, barring a major injury or trade.

There's still flexibility, so even if they make a mistake, they can compensate for it.

 

[Pioneer10]

So then why did they draft TT then? I mean 90% of us on here could have told them it was easiers to find a PF than a Center with skills? That pick will forever boggle my mind, and I don't have a problem at all with Thompson and have no idea of Jonas will pan out...but i'd still rather have a true Center on the roster who shown skills.

If Max is right, then this is valid point. I'm thoroughly confused right now as those in the JV camp were making the same arguments that Max has pointed out immediately after hearing about the Tristan pick.

Oh well, water under the bridge. Tristan looks like he'll be at least a serviceable big so we'll have to use FA and the draft to address the center spot long term. Give me Asik and Ilyasova in FA and I'll forget all about JV :chuckles:

 

[TitleTown]

Hate to be that guy, but Scola and Mozgov are not Euros. Zaza isn't really either, Georgia is sort of Eurasia.

Although it's not always accurate, as you have pointed out, its pretty well accepted that people refer to white-ish, non-American non-Asian players as Euros.

 

[Pioneer10]

Nothing has changed.
Many in the Cav's organization regretted not taking Jonas right after the draft...they still regret it today. Centers are so much harder to come by than PF's. We would have had our PG and C positions filled for the next 10+ years with Kyrie/Jonas. PF's are just MUCH easier to find. Not trying to knock TT or saying he isn't going to be a great pro. But filling the C position first would have been a much smarter move for our rebuild. With Jonas playing overseas, we'd probably have a few more losses this year too. It would have been better for us in a lot of ways.

So in other words the Cavs weren't expecting Kyrie to be this good this quickly

 

[MRMsix6]

Although it's not always accurate, as you have pointed out, its pretty well accepted that people refer to white-ish, non-American non-Asian players as Euros.

It's accepted only because of willful ignorance. They aren't Euros, and it's lazy to classify them as such.

 

[TitleTown]

It's accepted only because of willful ignorance. They aren't Euros, and it's lazy to classify them as such.

While I appreciate the high level of attention to grammar/mechanics/effective use of language found on this site (relatively speaking), I think you're being a bit too nit picky with this one.

 

[ChicagoCavFan]

What you guys talking about...we have our C, he's just hemmed up on the bench right now. With more options on the court, AV's usage could go down, minimizing injury risk.

 

[Lee]

It's accepted only because of willful ignorance. They aren't Euros, and it's lazy to classify them as such.

Not lazy, just a term. Euro refers more to the league than the country of origin. Andy is an Euro" big although he came South America. Yes plenty of Americans play in the Euro league, but they are all (but 2 or 3 exceptions) failed NBA players and went overseas to play.

What is lazy is not recognizing what the term meant and arguing just for the sake of semantics.