2012-2013 Indians Red Hot Offseason Thread (Bourn signed post 1940)

[Pyro]

Re: 2012-2013 Indians Offseason Thread

YEA BOIIIII

 

[MoFlo]

Re: 2012-2013 Indians Offseason Thread

Why would he do this to his career?

He already has 2 W.S rings with 1 of the most prominent & well known franchises in the game.

If he were to resurrect this club, it would only add to his legacy.

If he can't, most people will say it was the owner & front office.

Really a win-win if you're him.

 

[MoFlo]

Re: 2012-2013 Indians Offseason Thread

Andy Baskin ‏@andy_baskin

Confirmed that sandy Alomar jr. has heard that terry Francona Got the Indians job.

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[Shakalu M.D.]

Re: 2012-2013 Indians Offseason Thread

Huh. I thought for sure it was all smoke and that we'd end up with Sandy. Wonder how he's taking the news.

 

[MoFlo]

Re: 2012-2013 Indians Offseason Thread

-Terry Francona will become the 5th full time manager for the Tribe since 1991.
-Manny Acta's 214 wins rank him 17th among all Tribe skippers.
-Acta finished 52 games under .500, ranking him 3rd worst among Tribe managers.
-Acta became the 11th different manager to lead the Tribe to at least a 2nd place finish.
-The 480 games Acta managed ties him for 13th on the Tribe's all time list.

Also, Camino confirms as well:

Camino‏@CaminoTribe

Source: #Indians will hire Terry Francona. Told they are still working through "details" of agreement. First reported by Ken Rosenthal.

EDIT: Also:

paul hoynes‏@hoynsie

#Indians talking four-deal with Terry Francona to be their manager.

Retweeted by Jordan Bastian

I'm assuming Hoynsie meant 4 year deal here.

And:

Joe Lull‏@LullOnSports

If you don’t think Francona hiring signals philosophical change w/ Tribe you’re just being cynical. This hire alone goes beyond comfort zone

Retweeted by Jacob Rosen

What do people think about the last tweet. Agree?

 

[caf]

Re: 2012-2013 Indians Offseason Thread

I've been very pessimistic when it comes to the Dolans. I think this is a solid hire. I imagine Francona is going to have a lot of sway in the front office... so this hire not only addresses the coaching spot but should also fix some issues with the front office.

I think the Dolans just sparked some interest in the Indians next year.

 

[Real Deal]

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Well, hiring Francona alone speaks volumes around the city. I think were going to have an offseason to remember, this seems like a change for good. What's next?

 

[DJTJ]

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Well, hiring Francona alone speaks volumes around the city. I think were going to have an offseason to remember, this seems like a change for good. What's next?

Cutting ties with Grady and Hafner.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

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Step in the right direction.

Still in serious show me mode, though.

 

[Gunther]

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I don't agree with everything I read on HBT by any means, but this is a pretty fair assessment of the situation IMO:

With Terry Francona in fold, Indians can’t be so cheap
Matthew Pouliot Oct 6, 2012, 6:09 PM EDT

The Indians’ move to hire Terry Francona looks like a coup. Getting a two-time World Series-winning manager to come to Cleveland and take over a team that hasn’t finished over .500 in five years makes for quite the turn of events.

Now we’ll just have to wait and see if it does any good. Francona was a great handler of personalities in Boston and kept a roster loaded with big salaries and big egos pointed in the right direction for the vast majority of his tenure.

This will be an entirely different kind of gig for Francona. He won’t have to worry about handling a Manny Ramirez or a Josh Beckett or a David Ortiz. Of course, he also won’t have any of those kind of talents to rely on.

Here’s a truth about the Indians: even as salaries have continued to increase throughout the game, their franchise-high payroll came back in 2001. They spent $93 million that year. The last three years, they’ve come in at $61 million, $49 million and $65 million.

Now the good news: Travis Hafner‘s awful contract is finally off the books. At $13 million, he was the team’s only player to make more than $5 million this year. Also, the guy who made $5 million, Grady Sizemore, likewise contributed nothing and is now a free agent.

That leaves five guys, all of whom will get raises over $5 million if they’re kept in 2013: Asdrubal Cabrera, Shin-Soo Choo, Ubaldo Jimenez, Justin Masterson and Chris Perez. Many view Choo and Perez as trade candidates. Cabrera and Masterson could be as well. Jimenez has a $5.75 million option that could be declined after his rough year.

Essentially, the Indians have the ability to start over and build around Carlos Santana and Jason Kipnis if they want. And that might have been a good idea had they chosen Sandy Alomar Jr. as manager. The Francona hiring suggests that they want to contend in 2013. And they need to after drawing just 1.6 million fans this year.

So, it seems a lot more likely today that the Indians will be keeping Cabrera, Choo and Masterson. They’re not going to be major players in free agency, but they need to bring in at least one first base/DH-type, an outfielder and a starting pitcher. A Perez trade might fill one of those needs.

Fortunately, the Indians won’t need to be a great team to contend for a playoff spot in the AL Central. If Kipnis and Santana can play their best for full years instead of half-seasons and some young arms come along, it’s hardly a hopeless cause.

LINK

 

[Chardon]

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This is a good hire, but just because we have a new manager, doesn't mean our players automatically become good. I just wonder how much sway Francona will have in the front office. But we are on the right track.

 

[godfather]

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This is amazing! Francona is going to take the job! Wow, a little torn because I LOVE Sandy, my favorite Indian of all-time. But finally, someone that can actually manage! Now spend some damn money!

 

[Pyro]

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I would like to think the fact that Haslam came into town with his billions and said he's going to do his best to get the Browns back on track really sent a wake-up call to the Dolans. 2/3 owners willing to spend, so why can't the Dolans make it a perfect trifecta?

 

[Stark]

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I'd be down for all those moves....I could see a scenario where a former Red Sox player could come here on a paycut to play for Francona again

 

[JMcCurry08]

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Except him lol