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Some of you are making too much of a big deal out of brands. Talking about brands doens't automatically make them like Lebron, personaity-wise.

Agreed, you can't cross every player interested in a brand or else you'd be starting five Luke Harangodys. That said, I do think the Cavs have to consider these things because its very clear that most stars are interested in playing in major markets. To some extent, they've got to bring in guys that are not concerned about their endorsements.

I'm not saying Barnes is going to that kind of player, but his recent history has to raise some concerns.
 
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raptors on the road to mediocrity!

anyway anyone try the drink SOHO? great stuff, tastes and smells like lychee but goes down as alcohol. really dangerous. probably gonna drink a whole bottle once the raptors pick #9 or 10 this may 30th.
 
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Agreed, you can't cross every player interested in a brand or else you'd be starting five Luke Harangodys. That said, I do think the Cavs have to consider these things because its very clear that most stars are interested in playing in major markets. To some extent, they've got to bring in guys that are not concerned about their endorsements.

I'm not saying Barnes is going to that kind of player, but his recent history has to raise some concerns.

I agree with you. Its something you defintiely have to to under advisement. But I don't think its a deal breaker at all. I can see criticizing Harrison for his poor playoff performance, lack of driving skills, etc. But the brand stuff doesn't worry me. From the interviews he comes of as very down to Earth. I don't know him personally, but I don't think he would mind playing here. Plus, look who is picking in the top 6 likely (Charlotte, New Orleans, Washington, Cleveland, Sacramento, and Blazers (Nets pick). Cleveland is in the best position out of all those teams imo.
 
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I'm not really concerned with Barnes' character but he created a logo and tried to coin the nickname "Black Falcon"

Anthony Davis said on Jimmy Kimmel (I think?) he wouldn't shave his unibrow because it's a part of his brand


Pretty big difference between the two
and the part where one, you know, actually lived up to the hype. barnes seems to think he's the same caliber of prospect he was coming out of hs but in reality he's been one of the most underwhelming prospects in recent years.

if someone has the play to back it up, who cares if they are concerned with brand. lebron is obv very concerned about his brand but he's been the best player in the league for years so nobody gives a shit.
 
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"Oh the tears of unsaddenable sadness!"

If you want to read a thread where Raptor fans are crying, and tearing each other to shreds, just follow this link...LOL

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1177733

Had we not put the tank into overdrive, this could've been a RCF thread...

realGM is such a hellhole it's not even funny. probably the largest collection of mediocre basketball discussion of all the internet.
 
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Some of you are making too much of a big deal out of brands. Talking about brands doens't automatically make them like Lebron, personaity-wise.

It's when you combine those red flags with a guy that just isn't all that athletic... That's where my biggest concerns start. Arrogantly referring to your "brand" is one thing when you have LeBron James type talent. Having that issue on top of legitimate concerns about a player's ceiling makes me want nothing to do with him.
 
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The difference is that the questions around Cousins were almost all attitude (a little effort, I guess). I don't think that Drummond is viewed a risk because he will just arrogantly phone it in. He simply hasn't figured out how to maximize his talent on the basketball court.

Personally, I would much rather have a guy that just hasn't "figured it out" over a guy that could be the best big man in the league but simply isn't willing to put in the effort to make it happen.

So, I actually like Drummond better than Cousins because I don't sense the attitude problems. He seems like a good kid.


I look at it more as Cousins plays with too much of a chip on his shoulder, a desire to show out his perimeter game too much and IMO gets annoyed by being called for fouls simply because he's bigger than almost everyone else. Cousins still hasn't fully embraced his size, and thus does not take the easy, and smart, route and learn to camp out on the block and adapt his game to his size enough. It's like he wants to be Kevin Garnett when he should be being Moses Malone instead. He's a heckuva talent though and is easily young enough to get that under control. No one can doubt his passion for the game when he's on the court.

Drummond though is worrisome not because he's a bad kid. I don't believe he is. He just doesn't seem to have a passion for the game. A guy with his size, strength and agility should have put up much better numbers at UConn this year. If he played like TRob he might have averaged close to 20 boards a game. Combine that with having really no skill level and you wonder what he'll do when those big paychecks arrive. Maybe the good life will light a fire under him. But maybe he'll get rich and fat and not give a shit too.

I'll say this though. I'm a UK fan, but Drummond, if a coach really feels like he can connect with him, is right behind Davis and in front of anyone else, even MKG, in my book. But it's big risk to pass up a born warrior like MKG or a super skilled multidimensional guy like Beal for him. I'm not sure the Cavs have to take that risk.
 
One of the few things that I found pleasant this year about watching Kings games was watching Cousins dominate when he had it going well. Sure, he made stupid mistakes and got frustrated and just looked angry the whole damn time, but there is so much talent and size, plus he tries hard a lot of the time. I think he would be absolute terror on a team where the coach and veteran teammates could keep him in line. Not a good situation in Sacramento. Not sure Cleveland would be good for him either. But, man, that dude is a beast when he's not being whistled for a technical foul. He's the kind of guy who can blow up a team or get his coach fired...but also the kind of guy who, in the right situation, can dominate a game, not just his position.

What I'm saying is that, like CatFan, I would prefer someone with the drive of Cousins over someone whose drive is a question mark. If the Cavs feel like Drummond is coachable and a good fit and has that desire, and everything else, then they better draft him and take a shot if he's at the top of their board. If they have any doubts, I would rather they go for someone who has those fierce qualities. I also agree that, given their likely draft position, the Cavs will probably have the luxury of multiple very strong choices. The last week made such a huge difference in terms of how picky the Cavs can be. But getting someone who could possibly anchor the middle for years is still going to be hard to pass up.
 
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One of the few things that I found pleasant this year about watching Kings games was watching Cousins dominate when he had it going well. Sure, he made stupid mistakes and got frustrated and just looked angry the whole damn time, but there is so much talent and size, plus he tries hard a lot of the time. I think he would be absolute terror on a team where the coach and veteran teammates could keep him in line. Not a good situation in Sacramento. Not sure Cleveland would be good for him either. But, man, that dude is a beast when he's not being whistled for a technical foul. He's the kind of guy who can blow up a team or get his coach fired...but also the kind of guy who, in the right situation, can dominate a game, not just his position.

Having watched the Kings a lot in recent years, I would be surprised if Cousins will not become a superstar in this league. Yes, he is immature and lets his emotions carry him away sometime. Yes, he loves his mid range shot and coast to coast dribbling and fancy passes. Yes, he sometimes does not try hard at D. But he has also tuned down his whining and complaining, is a beast on the boards and just has such incredible skills and court vision, but most of all the softest hands. He can battle two guys for a rebound and snatch the ball out of the air with one guy tugging at his other arm and still go up for a shot. He's like the anti-Hickson from a hands perspectve.

Being a player in an organization run by the Maloofs may be his biggest problem, but he has such a desire to succeed, I am sure he will make it. His teammate Tyreke Evans on the other hand, seems aloof and unwilling to put in the hard work and commitment to become really great.

I'd take the guy with a little bit less talent but more drive over the talented guy who is sure that everything will go his way.

I'd love us to get Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. A guy who plays D like that and still is a weapon on offense is rare.
 
so it is 1- Davis 2. MKG 3. BEAL 4. BARNES on Cavs board. We are in great position to have HB as our 'wordt case scenario": I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!

We need to move up from 24 to get Jeff Taylor!!!!!!

More like this...

Davis
MKG
Beal
Robinson
Drummond

We're SET with any of those 5...
 
The draft is june 28 but when is the pingpong ball show to determine where we pick?? Thanks opps just saw may 30
 

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