2012 NBA Free Agents

[JMcCurry08]

I saw something on espn saying starting next year every million your over the cap you have to pay 2 million or something not sure if thats it but...

Well that could be good reason to warn, good thing we arent spending

 

[D-WAIT3]

All this proves is that larry stopped playing once he got paid and we got screwed...Just saying it seems nothing ever works out for CLE

 

[Steve_424]

Ray Allen met with Heat for dinner tonight...they apparently presented a contract proposal

 

[MoFlo]

Comparing Larry to Ray and Michael Is LUDACRIS

Like.. the rapper?

Read again, I never compared him to them.

I didnt say it was gilberts fault...Just saying...LARRY FUCKING HUGHES REALLY

Um, you most certainly did. You said he was cheap because we haven't been able to land a significant free agent since he's been here. I proved you wrong, and you're changing your argument.

And yes, Larry Hughes was considered a top SG in that free agent class. We overpaid slightly for him, but as I stated, he was our 3rd option at SG in that off-season.

 

[MoFlo]

Marc J. Spears‏@SpearsNBAYahoo

CLE free agent F Antawn Jamison had a good dinner meeting in his hometown of Charlotte with Bobcats execs Rod Higgins and Rich Cho tonight.

Marc J. Spears‏@SpearsNBAYahoo

Jamison has also been talking to @warriors GM Bob Myers, his old agent, in recent days. The ex-Warrior to talk to coach Mark Jackson soon.

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[D-WAIT3]

Like.. the rapper?

Read again, I never compared him to them.


Um, you most certainly did. You said he was cheap because we haven't been able to land a significant free agent since he's been here. I proved you wrong, and you're changing your argument.

And yes, Larry Hughes was considered a top SG in that free agent class. We overpaid slightly for him, but as I stated, he was our 3rd option at SG in that off-season.

I said they were cheap as in the cavs in general...

 

[D-WAIT3]

Like.. the rapper?

Read again, I never compared him to them.


Um, you most certainly did. You said he was cheap because we haven't been able to land a significant free agent since he's been here. I proved you wrong, and you're changing your argument.

And yes, Larry Hughes was considered a top SG in that free agent class. We overpaid slightly for him, but as I stated, he was our 3rd option at SG in that off-season.

And if gilbert was such a spender he would of made sure that stoudemire trade happened no matter what contract amount he would of been taking on instead of getting jamison to assure a championship but no.

 

[D-WAIT3]

Like.. the rapper?

Read again, I never compared him to them.



Um, you most certainly did. You said he was cheap because we haven't been able to land a significant free agent since he's been here. I proved you wrong, and you're changing your argument.

And yes, Larry Hughes was considered a top SG in that free agent class. We overpaid slightly for him, but as I stated, he was our 3rd option at SG in that off-season.

I think gilbert is a top 5 owner i do...But he spends money in other ways not free agency...And idc if bum hughes was "CONSIDERED" a top sg our staff made a bad decision he was in a contract yr and he over achieved big deal. He had 1 really good yr and we thought he would be the answer and he wasnt.

 

[AvonCavsFan]

If Kyrie Irving refuses to fully commit to Cleveland then yes, you are correct.

I believe Kyrie will be different and will actively recruit free agents when the time is right.

Take a look at this year's free agent crop.

Deron Williams, Steve Nash, and Jason Kidd are all point guards, which the Cavaliers don't need.

Eric Gordon and Roy Hibbert are commanding max contracts, each of which would be risky to hand out for different reasons.

Who's left?

Brook Lopez, Nic Batum, Ersan Ilyasova, Ray Allen, O.J. Mayo, Kris Humphries, Chris Kaman, etc

Allen will be retired by the time we're contending again, so cross him off. The Nets aren't expected to let go of Lopez. The Blazers are reportedly matching any offers for Batum. Humphries is redundant for this team...you could probably say the same for Kaman. The Cavs have interest in Ilyasova, but how high do you go for a stretch 4?

He is not just a stretch 4. He is also a very good rebounder. Take a look at this comparison.

His PER is lower, mainly due to a much lower USG rate. Higher TS, EF% and offensive rebound rate, relatively close total rebound rate. Higher steal and block rates. Everyone pegs Love as a max contract player/all-star-MVP candidate--and the major difference between him and Ersan las year was that Love shot the ball more. So offensively and rebounding, Ersan is not that far off of Love if at all at the moment--and I am pretty certain he is a better defender. I firmly believe Ersan is a bargan at anything in the 10 to 11 million range.

I added Bosh to the comparison for fun:

Unless Ersan is really 28 or something--he may end up the free agent steal of the off season.

 

[CavsFinals2016]

I think gilbert is a top 5 owner i do...But he spends money in other ways not free agency...And idc if bum hughes was "CONSIDERED" a top sg our staff made a bad decision he was in a contract yr and he over achieved big deal. He had 1 really good yr and we thought he would be the answer and he wasnt.

So let me get this straight. You are upset that Gilbert doesn't overpay for free agents, but when he did we got burned by it. Then, you think he is cheap. You do realize he took on Baron Davis's salary for what was likely to be the eighth pick in the draft. You also forget that he had a deal in place to get detroits pick this year for Rip Hamilton. That was the ninth pick. Let's not rehash uncorroborated accounts of the Amare deal to call Gilbert cheap. He knows that the best way for the Cavs to get assets is by absorbing salaries and not high priced free agents.

 

[D-WAIT3]

So let me get this straight. You are upset that Gilbert doesn't overpay for free agents, but when he did we got burned by it. Then, you think he is cheap. You do realize he took on Baron Davis's salary for what was likely to be the eighth pick in the draft. You also forget that he had a deal in place to get detroits pick this year for Rip Hamilton. That was the ninth pick. Let's not rehash uncorroborated accounts of the Amare deal to call Gilbert cheap. He knows that the best way for the Cavs to get assets is by absorbing salaries and not high priced free agents.

He knows but yet it doesnt happen...

 

[D-WAIT3]

So let me get this straight. You are upset that Gilbert doesn't overpay for free agents, but when he did we got burned by it. Then, you think he is cheap. You do realize he took on Baron Davis's salary for what was likely to be the eighth pick in the draft. You also forget that he had a deal in place to get detroits pick this year for Rip Hamilton. That was the ninth pick. Let's not rehash uncorroborated accounts of the Amare deal to call Gilbert cheap. He knows that the best way for the Cavs to get assets is by absorbing salaries and not high priced free agents.

IDC what he had in place its time to start proving it

 

[BimboColesHair]

IDC what he had in place its time to start proving it

Start editing your posts if you are going to keep responding to the same quote over and over again. You are just adding useless posts by responding to something you have already responded too.

 

[Steve_424]

He is not just a stretch 4. He is also a very good rebounder. Take a look at this comparison.

His PER is lower, mainly due to a much lower USG rate. Higher TS, EF% and offensive rebound rate, relatively close total rebound rate. Higher steal and block rates. Everyone pegs Love as a max contract player/all-star-MVP candidate--and the major difference between him and Ersan las year was that Love shot the ball more. So offensively and rebounding, Ersan is not that far off of Love if at all at the moment--and I am pretty certain he is a better defender. I firmly believe Ersan is a bargan at anything in the 10 to 11 million range.

I added Bosh to the comparison for fun:

Unless Ersan is really 28 or something--he may end up the free agent steal of the off season.

I'm not against signing Ersan at the right price. I'm just not sure how much that should be.

 

[weepinwillow]

I'd take Ersen, and the right price is north of the $8 mill the Bucks offered. People have to realize that the market for NBA basketball players isn't real. Sure, you can find guys on different rosters that have similar skill sets to Ersen for less money, but the situation that was at hand when said player got that contract may not be the situation now. And the Cavs need to address this team now, not in some perfect future where all picks fall to them and free agents are all willing to sign for under the MLE. NBA Markets are unnaturally depressed by the salary cap, RFA rules, hard cap, rookie scale deals etc.. that doesn't mean you should be foolish with the money, but it does mean you should spend it if you think the player is worth it.

The other saving grace of the new CBA is shorter contracts. In the past we'd be looking at a 5 year deal, now it's a 4 year deal. That extra year makes a big difference for flexibility.

Anyway, Ersen can be frustrating. He;ll grab 10+ boards along with 19 points one night, then give you nothing on the glass and 9 points the next. Could be by virtue of the Bucks offense, could be him.. skill set looks ideal for what the Cavs have assembled, though.