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2012 Presidential Election

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Who Will Win the 2012 Presidential Election?

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 70 60.9%
  • Mitt Romney

    Votes: 42 36.5%
  • Electoral College Tie

    Votes: 3 2.6%

  • Total voters
    115
  • Poll closed .
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

Any nominee that Doug fully supports will not get my vote. Period. (that doesn't sound ridiculous to you, Doug?)

How many of us can say they understand the global economy well enough to be even 90% confident in their opinion? No Doug. You don't. Know why? No one can. Genius economists that have devoted their lives to studying the economy disagree on almost everything. What makes you so confident, Doug? You get owned on every political debate where someone actually cares to respond, yet you don't seem to have changed a single opinion. Why? Oh yeah, you are bitter old man, literally physically incapable of changing your mind. Why should anyone listen to you when they can just turn on the radio for the EXACT same message?

You sound like this donkey.

[video=youtube;HvSjiq1pLVY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvSjiq1pLVY[/video]
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

He must have changed over the last few years then, because he sure used to be. I'll give him a shot.

You went from intolerant and judgmental to open minded and fair in the blink of a sentence. No wonder you don't want to pigeonhole yourself politically.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

LOL yeah. He only is just now saying this because he knows nothing else will get passed. He's being forced to do so. A very good thing. Let's see if it's really 4 trillion. I doubt it.

And no to someone above. This country is WORSE off than when Obama took office. Anyone who thinks otherwise has zero experience in business and regulations and jobs, and really no idea what makes a good economy. Ask any home builder or any contractor out there how his/her business is doing. They'll tell you.

Most houses around my area are now being auctioned off because they can't be sold any other way. Most for 35% or less than their value was just three years ago. New construction is almost at zero these days. ALL those businesses employ workers; framers, roofers, drywall, ext. trim/windows, interior trim/doors, etc,etc,etc.... none of those people can find work. This doesn't cover all retail home center type businesses who sell to the construction industry. It's bad. Real bad. It's worse than it ever has been. Believe me, I should know. I do know.

The only thing Obama knows is taxing and spending money on "shovel ready" jobs that never materialize. He said he guesses those shovel ready jobs he touted in 2009 in order to get the billion dollar stimulus package passed, wasn't really shovel ready after all. Well duh?

Ask businesses what one reason is as to why they aren't hiring right now? They have many reasons but Obamacare is a big one. It's led to these businesses either not hiring anyone, or simply only hiring part time only. This then leads to the "underemployed" going up as well as the REAL unemployed.

I understand you are where you are because of your parents, you made that choice not Obama, so pull up your boot straps be a man and stop whining, if you were a true republican like you claimed I wouldn't have to tell you that. Stop waiting on people to take care of you and people to blame for your lack of employment do it yourself, that above all things is the republican way.
I think your local and stat politicians have more of that blame then Obama, the fact that your are always on the attack is downright annoying. Obama isn't the one who created the shit economy in Ohio, they did that to themselves, and it goes way back to the Reagan and Bush sr years. What finally put the nail in the coffin for Ohio is was NAFTA. If you couldn't see the writing on the wall back then, that is your own ignorance. Ohio has to revise its tax code, and they need to support industry changes to diversify there economy. Houston from the oil crunch of the early 80's late 70's is a prefect model. Houston is so diverse in manufacturing, tech, oil, refineries and business that one single sector will never be able to bring the local economy to its knee's again.

There are jobs in the country but you may have to move, if your not willing to do that for whatever reason, then take it up with your local government, stop blaming a Obama. My wife and I got a 15k dollar a year raise just by moving out of a state that charges; State income tax, county income tax, city income tax and sales tax among all the other bullshit. Bottom line move your family to an economy that works, Michigan and Ohio are so fucked up they have had a negative growth rate for over 10 years, people are literally bailing out, the college grad retention rate is miserable. If fresh college grads can see it why can't someone 53 years young?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

I only bash the politicians. Can't say the same for a few members in here.

Let's see; I'm bad and ignorant and a stupid old man because I don't change my opinions about Obama? Really?

Again; I will vote for anyone not named Obama. I voted for Al Gore. Voted for Bill Clinton twice. I will NOT vote for Obama. Not. If that makes me stupid, so be it. To some of you; Fuck. You.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

Ohio has to revise its tax code, and they need to support industry changes to diversify there economy. Houston from the oil crunch of the early 80's late 70's is a prefect model. Houston is so diverse in manufacturing, tech, oil, refineries and business that one single sector will never be able to bring the local economy to its knee's again.

Ohio not being a "Right to Work" state is another gigantic handicap. It's hard enough for manufacturers in Houston to compete against foreign competition. For manufacturers in Cleveland it's susbstantially worse with higher taxes and forced unionism...that's why companies are fleeing to Texas and other Right to Work states.

Ohio's ecomony would explode if they made that one single change.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

I only bash the politicians. Can't say the same for a few members in here.

Let's see; I'm bad and ignorant and a stupid old man because I don't change my opinions about Obama? Really?

Again; I will vote for anyone not named Obama. I voted for Al Gore. Voted for Bill Clinton twice. I will NOT vote for Obama. Not. If that makes me stupid, so be it. To some of you; Fuck. You.

I want to see you spread your anger around, I want you to see the faults in your state and counties and city. I want you to stop blaiming it all on one man, or even one party. I want to see you get pissed off over your circumstance and take it out on the right people.
 
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Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

I will NOT vote for Obama. Not. If that makes me stupid, so be it. To some of you; Fuck. You.

Edit: I'm underslept and cranky, so I won't post what I really think about you. It wouldn't be constructive.

I will say that I don't think you are stupid or ignorant. I think you are confused. That's nothing to be ashamed of. I think a good 30-40% of the population is targeted by conservative misinformation campaigns. It's a lot to wade through, especially if you have a hard time separating your opinions from your emotions.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

Edit: I'm underslept and cranky, so I won't post what I really think about you. It wouldn't be constructive.

I will say that I don't think you are stupid or ignorant. I think you are confused. That's nothing to be ashamed of. I think a good 30-40% of the population is targeted by conservative misinformation campaigns. It's a lot to wade through, especially if you have a hard time separating your opinions from your emotions.

You know what I think? I think you think you are so much smarter than most of us. Maybe you are. Maybe not. But allow me to tell you this; you don't need to post like you are better than me or anyone else. You don't like me or my opinions. Fine. Move along. You think all conservatives are misinformed. Fine. Move along. Some advice for you; I'm not going to stop posting my opinions. If you want respect, I suggest you stop personally bashing me and others. I'm not bashing you for your opinions, even though I think you are a fucking moronic misinformed liberal. Now we are even. I can only take so much bashing and trashing from fucking libs before my fucking head explodes.

Thanks for listening.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

Ok, kids, stop the flaming and personal attacks...get back on topic. Thx.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

I understand you are where you are because of your parents, you made that choice not Obama, so pull up your boot straps be a man and stop whining, if you were a true republican like you claimed I wouldn't have to tell you that. Stop waiting on people to take care of you and people to blame for your lack of employment do it yourself, that above all things is the republican way.
I think your local and stat politicians have more of that blame then Obama, the fact that your are always on the attack is downright annoying. Obama isn't the one who created the shit economy in Ohio, they did that to themselves, and it goes way back to the Reagan and Bush sr years. What finally put the nail in the coffin for Ohio is was NAFTA. If you couldn't see the writing on the wall back then, that is your own ignorance. Ohio has to revise its tax code, and they need to support industry changes to diversify there economy. Houston from the oil crunch of the early 80's late 70's is a prefect model. Houston is so diverse in manufacturing, tech, oil, refineries and business that one single sector will never be able to bring the local economy to its knee's again.

There are jobs in the country but you may have to move, if your not willing to do that for whatever reason, then take it up with your local government, stop blaming a Obama. My wife and I got a 15k dollar a year raise just by moving out of a state that charges; State income tax, county income tax, city income tax and sales tax among all the other bullshit. Bottom line move your family to an economy that works, Michigan and Ohio are so fucked up they have had a negative growth rate for over 10 years, people are literally bailing out, the college grad retention rate is miserable. If fresh college grads can see it why can't someone 53 years young?

I know I'm of a minority in here with parents real old now. They need me. I'm probably also one of a few who have remained very close over the years with their parents. I moved out of Ohio in 1979. I came back briefly in 1990 and left again in 1994 until 2007. I'm back because of my parents. They only have me. I will be here at least until they pass away, and that might be quite a while. I hope so anyway. So no Ron, I don't have the luxury of simply moving out of Ohio. If I did, do you really think I choose to be here with no jobs in my specialty to speak of? Of course I know my line of work is more easier found in other states. I use to live in Texas as well. I don't have that option right now.

As far as who to blame? Who the hell is our leader of this country today? Hasn't it been the Democrats who have controlled all branches until recently? Isn't Obama the actual President? Wasn't Bush and the republicans bashed and blamed when they were in control? Of course they were. Not sure what your problem with me is. I do know you dislike my writing and that is fine. Please don't assume you know me or what my issues with my life are right now, as you do not know. I've got tons of experience in my industry; more than 100 college grads put together, but yet employer's main requirement these days is a degree. Experience be damned. You can't get in the door in Ohio with the jobs out there unless you have a degree. My 20+ years experience in business, retail, etc means absolutely nothing in hard times. And yes, my 53 years young seems to be a detriment as well. Not sure why as I have many years left of profitable work that a smart employer would figure out and utilize.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

New unemployment rate is just out for June. It's not good. It's getting worse.

9.2% with only 18,000 jobs created. 90,000 were expected and that was a bad figure also.

Obama expected to address this new figure this morning. Gosh; how is he going to spin it this time? We'll find out.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

Doug I don't have a problem with you, as I stated in the next post it would just be nice if you filtered some of your anger at the correct people. Obama and Mccain were both going to fail, there really wasn't a way around it. The bulk of your issue are all driven by your state and local goverment.

Doug I simply offered you free advice it is your choice to use it or ignore it is worth exactly what you paid for it. Just because I respond to your posts doesn't mean I have a problem with you. I do have issue with some of your thought processes, but who cares Its not like I am the one paying for your room and board.

As for the education part... its a resume everyone stretches the truth. Do you really think they are going to ask a 53 year old man to supply a copy of his degree? If you can do the job you can do the job.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

New unemployment rate is just out for June. It's not good. It's getting worse.

9.2% with only 18,000 jobs created. 90,000 were expected and that was a bad figure also.

Obama expected to address this new figure this morning. Gosh; how is he going to spin it this time? We'll find out.

These numbers are terrible. There is no denying that. We are living with the consequences of inadequate government action in early 2009, poor policy choices and a basic misdiagnosis of the scale of the crisis the country faced. Right now we should be talking about a payroll tax holiday for small businesses, an injection of financial aid to states that are laying off workers and a fat spending bill that will directly lead to workers being hired to improve infrastructure. Those three steps will immediately improve the job market.

Instead we're talking about the national debt and spending cuts -- the exact opposite of what should be done during a recession. It's maddening.
 
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Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

These numbers are terrible. There is no denying that. We are living with the consequences of inadequate government action in early 2009, poor policy choices and a basic misdiagnosis of the scale of the crisis the country faced. Right now we should be talking about a payroll tax holiday for small businesses, an injection of financial aid to states that are laying off workers and a fat spending bill that will directly lead to workers being hired to improve infrastructure. Those three steps will immediately improve the job market.

Instead we're talking about the national debt and spending cuts -- the exact opposite of what should be done during a recession. It's maddening.

Yes. That's exactly what Obama will say in his address anytime now. He's suppose to give a speech shortly. It was at 10am but obviously he's trying to figure out exactly how to word what you just said.

It's funny how very differently we all view economics and what the best way is moving forward. My thought process is the exact opposite of this post and I'm very sure the exact opposite of what Obama will say.

BTW: if spending more of the people's money hasn't worked since Obama took office in 2009 when he spent 1 trillion that was claimed to never allow the unemployment rate to go above 8%, what makes people believe more spending of the people's money is going to help now? Shouldn't there be less spending of "your" money in order to put more money into the pockets of those who can actually hire more people? Won't more people with more money create a bigger stimulus to the economy than more government with more money ever accomplish?

You see; I just don't get the thinking involved with Obama and most Democrats.

One thing I do think would help the economy from every angle; CHANGE the IRS system. Heck, even get rid of it. At least dramatically change it. Do a consumption tax... just one tax only. Do a flat tax. Heck, it really doesn't matter.... do something. Change things.

One thing is for sure in my mind; employers will never pick up their hiring with the total confusion and not knowing what's next is on their minds.
 

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