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2013 MLB Hall of Fame Ballot

Discussion in '(MLB) Cleveland Indians' started by Stark, Nov 29, 2012.

  1. Stark

    Stark Keeping the Faith

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    Some HUGE names on here, although I doubt many of the big names actually get in.

    From the Tribe:

    Kenny Lofton is the only one with a serious chance in my mind, as the former Tribe centerfielder is hitting the ballot for the first time this year.

    Sandy Alomar Jr. and Jose Mesa are also on the ballot for their first run, but it's very unlikely either will get in.


    Of this list, I'd personally give votes to: Jeff Bagwell, Edgar Martinez, Fred McGriff, Don Mattingly, Craig Biggio, Kenny Lofton, Mike Piazza, and Curt Schilling.

    Jack Morris
    Jeff Bagwell
    Lee Smith
    Tim Raines
    Alan Trammell
    Edgar Martínez
    Fred McGriff
    Larry Walker
    Mark McGwire
    Don Mattingly
    Dale Murphy
    Rafael Palmeiro
    Bernie Williams
    Sandy Alomar, Jr.
    Craig Biggio
    Barry Bonds
    Jeff Cirillo
    Royce Clayton
    Roger Clemens
    Jeff Conine
    Steve Finley
    Julio Franco
    Shawn Green
    Roberto Hernández
    Ryan Klesko
    Kenny Lofton
    José Mesa
    Mike Piazza
    Reggie Sanders
    Curt Schilling
    Aaron Sele
    Sammy Sosa
    Mike Stanton
    Todd Walker
    David Wells
    Rondell White
    Woody Williams

    Also eligible for inclusion this year, but not featured on the ballot was former Tribe closer Bob Wickman.
     
  2. gnu16

    gnu16 Rookie

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    For Bonds, Sosa, and Clemens...I'm on pins and needles.....
     
  3. PIP

    PIP Orange and Blue Staff Member

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    Barry Bonds was a hall of famer back in 1997 before he ballooned up... Same with Clemens...

    Barry Bonds is a hall of fame caliber player and honestly if you're gonna count all his records and stats and awards then he should be in the hall of fame...
     
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  4. Randolphkeys

    Randolphkeys Admittedly Pompous Staff Member

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    Here's the thing: Baseball Writers Association of America controls the Baseball HOF. They don't make as much as broadcasters, managers, or players. This is their thing, and honestly they have done a pretty decent job of making the Hall of Fame perhaps the greatest achievement in sports. If you were a good pro football player and made some trips to Hawaii, you have a great shot at the Hall. In basketball, if you were on a few winning teams you are probably getting in. But baseball has this drawn out torturous process which kind of adds to the intrigue.

    The negatives are numerous. The most glaring issue I see is that baseball writer gets into the HOF every year, and yet some years we don't see any players make the cut. I'm just doing the math over here, but there are far more players than beat writers... and people actually care about the players. Seems like it should be harder for a writer to make it in than a player.

    I think the BWAA have to open the voting up to more people with more diverse experiences, and eventually they will have to. Broadcasters should be voting. I would like to see current and former managers voting. Maybe a that point you will see more steroid era players get in.
     
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  5. gnu16

    gnu16 Rookie

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    On a serious note: Bonds, Bagwell, Morris, Lee Smith, Schilling and Raines are locks in my mind. Bonds probably won't get in.

    Mattingly, McGriff, Dale Murphy, David Wells make the hall of very good. Clemens had a great run from '86-'92...fell off a bit..then signed with Toronto in 1997 and refound himself (probably synthetically). Edgar Martinez will be an interesting case because he would be the 1st full time DH to be considered for the hall. 1992 was his last year predominantly in the field and he played until 2004.

    Another question for you guys who are baseball fans.....what if Barry Bonds doesn't break the single season home run record in 2001, just 3 years after McGwire breaks Maris' record? Let's say Bonds comes close (67, 68) in a 2-3 year stretch (like Sosa). Does a Mitchell report happen? Would there still be widespread steroid use in baseball today? I've always thought Bonds breaking the record too quickly caused the inquires to what was going on in the game to happen.
     
  6. MoneyMP3

    MoneyMP3 Long Live The Idols

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    I hope Schilling makes it. One of my favorite pitchers ever.
     
  7. OhioSlayer

    OhioSlayer DoubleShot

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    Roids or not Bonds was one of the greatest players of all time. And the dude had an eye like no other.
     
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  8. JMcCurry08

    JMcCurry08 NBA Starter

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    Steroids or not McGwire saved baseball in 1998 so he should be a HOFer in my book. Along with Sosa, Bonds, Clemens....they made baseball fun to watch, yeah what they did is frowned upon but those writers I bet loved writing about those players
     
  9. Huber.

    Huber. Adrninistrator

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    Fixed. I'm sure he started way before 1997.
     
  10. OhioSlayer

    OhioSlayer DoubleShot

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    If you want to blame steroids for his huge home run totals, then it was a few years after 1997 seeing how his totals were always consistent until 2000 and on.
     
  11. Juice Is Loose

    Juice Is Loose Stylin' and Profilin'

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    With Bonds and the whole steroid thing, he still hit for average and steroids don't have much with you hitting for an average. In 04' Bonds was 40, he still .362 in 147 games, that's pretty damn good. He deserves the HOF.
     
  12. macbdog

    macbdog I just got a semi

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    All the exposed juicers can stay out. They already got their money, their in stant gratification, and like someone already noted, their numbers are still in the record books. They embarassed the game, along with the players union and owners, and yes, their punishment is they never get a special day all to themselves. I think 20 years of praise and massive contracts should be enough to soothe the wound of not being elected for unrepentant cheats like Bonds and Clemens. Let us not forget, their denials also included embarassing federal trials because these men felt it necessary to lie about their drug use to a federal court. I find it rather absurd that either Clemens or Bonds would whine about not being included when they apparently found no problem lying to save their reputation in the first place.

    How about this- when these two man up, and accept their actions, then maybe they can get in. After waiting at least 5 years. Same goes for the others. Own up to it, admit it hurt and embarassed the game when the truth came out, and try to move on. Thing is, with the exception of McGwire, none of them will. And for that- well, stay away.
     
  13. Bill Walton.

    Bill Walton. Luke, I am your Father

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    I'm not very educated on the process and how difficult it will be to get in. I'm curious to see where Kenny lands in. Obviously one of the greatest defensive center fielders of all time. Also a great lead off man. Epic base stealer. Obviously first ballot isn't going to happen, but any idea on where his chances lie? I could be wrong in general, I just always loved Kenny and am curious to see where he lands in this debate.
     
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    AZ_ Hall-of-Famer

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    I'd be pretty shocked if the steroid crew took in more than 25 percent.
     
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    7foot3 Situational Stopper

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    Then what do we do with all the PED abusers already in the Hall? Because there are some. Players have been trying to cheat at baseball since its origins, it didn't start when Jose Canseco showed up. Steroids have been pretty common among athletes since the East Germans were experimenting in the 50s. Back in the 1800's, players were trying to find ways to increase testosterone. Mays took "red juice", players have been, admittedly, popping greenies left and right for decades. The guy who caught Hank Aaron's record breaking home run admitted to using steroids and said it was widespread.
     
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    Heights In the Rotation

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    Was reading one of my recent issues of SI today and Dan Patrick interviewed Mark McGwire. I thought it was interesting that McGwire manned up and said that he wouldn't vote for himself to the Hall if he had a vote; and that by the standards and voting guidelines of the Hall he is not worthy.
     
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    Seiklis Situational Stopper

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    The Voice Best in the World

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    What I would love to see is someone get inducted. And at the start of their speech say, "I have a confession to make. I took steroids, HGH, and corked my bat. The greatest part of it all is, I was never caught. I'd like to thank Bonds, Sosa, Mcguire and all the idiots that got caught that made it all possible for me not to get caught."
     
  19. macbdog

    macbdog I just got a semi

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    That doesn't make any sense- how would those players getting caught keep another from getting caught? What, were they hiding their steroids in Bonds' flaxseed oil? I'm confused.
     
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    MJA1080 In the Rotation

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    I'm torn on the steroids issue. For every home run that Bonds hit on roids, how many were hit AGAINST someone on steroids? Ex. Did Clemons pitch to Bonds, Sosa, and McGwire? Isn't that a wash at that point?
     

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