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Alex Smith absolutely can win a Super Bowl and be an Elite QB.

There is no heinous flaw in his game that would prohibit this.

other than a strong arm, which is why he isnt an elite QB.

that said this is an absolutely idiotic discussion the browns have a QB on the roster they spent a first round pick on last year. how about we actually let the guy develop and see what he has? this seems to be one of those "only in cleveland" topics. the browns draft a QB in the first round, who actually put up historically pretty okay numbers for a rookie QB, but yet everyone wants to throw him under the bus, despite the fact that he had almost no help from his running game, and was thrown into an offense that didnt fit his skills.

also it seems to people the same people that argued colt didnt get a fair shake are the same ones arguing weeden should be replaced after one season, or is that just my imagination?
 
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Don't have to be a scout to see Weeden has shown nothing but regression.

Opinions are great, but there just isn't enough from Weeden to make that a valid opinion.

Seems more like you're just saying it because you don't like Alex Smith.

He's played year, dude. :rolleyes:

Here comes the same thing as the RGIII stakes. Where you said I'm "racist" and that's why I didn't want him.

I don't like Smith, because of the way he plays, I have no personal agenda against any player.
 
He's played year, dude. :rolleyes:

Here comes the same thing as the RGIII stakes. Where you said I'm "racist" and that's why I didn't want him.

I don't like Smith, because of the way he plays, I have no personal agenda against any player.

Yeah, that was jayjaypimpson's comment...not mine.

Hard to forget that, as Biw turned it into one of the best moments in this forums history.

I just said you were crazy.
 
But there's been a guarantee that Weeden will be better, because.....

Well, nobody knows...but it's guaranteed.

Guaranteed? Definitely not. But even though he's 30, he can still mature as a professional quarterback. The skills he lacks aren't tied to his athleticism (save for his inability to run). He has all the tools, he just needs to make better decisions faster. That's a tall task, but personally I'd rather take a year of seeing if Weeden can take that next step rather than picking up SF's garbage.

Make no mistake: Alex Smith is a below average QB. He was very bad before Harbaugh, and passable with him. That's what a good coach can do for you. Yet despite leading the team to a 6-2 record over the first half of the season, Harbaugh couldn't wait to get out from under him. It's looking like he made the right decision as Kapernick is a stud, but it doesn't change the fact that Harbaugh was chomping at the bit for an excuse to move past the Alex Smith era. Keep in mind the 49ers pursued Manning in the offseason as well.

The 49ers wanted to compete for a championship, and Harbaugh knew Smith was a weakness that needed to be addressed.

I'm not going to put a great defense out there for Weeden. I wish he looked better at the end of the season than he did in the beginning, but he seemed to regress as the season went on. But given the choices of Alex Smith's contract, a 1st round pick on this year's QB trash class, or giving Weeden one more year to figure it out, I'd rather go with Weeden.
 
Alex Smith was passable with Harbaugh?

Uhhhh, no. He was above average to good.
 
Alex Smith was passable with Harbaugh?

Uhhhh, no. He was above average to good.

who cares, he isnt a world beating QB and certainly not "elite". the only years smith has done anything noteworthy are with an outstanding coach, a coach which eventually benched him in the middle of a super bowl run.
 
Alex Smith was passable with Harbaugh?

Uhhhh, no. He was above average to good.

To jump on the bolded comment and expand your point a bit

I would say above average for 2 seasons and good for 1.5 seasons (injury)

Smith was on pace to set career highs in yds, QBR, td's and completion % this year before he got hurt

Smith hasn't been terrible for the last 4 years

QBR over 80 each of the last 4 seasons

Completion % right around 60% each of the last 4 seasons

62 td's to 32 int's over that time frame and has thrown more td's than int's in each of the last 4 seasons (2009-Present)
 
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To jump on the bolded comment and expand your point a bit

I would say above average for 2 seasons and good for 1.5 seasons (injury)

Smith was on pace to set career highs in yds, QBR, td's and completion % this year before he got hurt

Smith hasn't been terrible for the last 4 years

QBR over 80 each of the last 4 seasons

Completion % right around 60% each of the last 4 seasons

62 td's to 32 int's over that time frame and has thrown more td's than int's in each of the last 4 seasons (2009-Present)

You make some great points. I personally don't think weeden or smith are the answer for our team. When you talk about a potential Super Bowl winning QB at some point they have to make a spectacular throw to help get your team that victory or to that game. I just don't see it with either guy. In the NFC championship game last year Smith completed one pass to a WR. Look no further to Crabtree because once smith was benched for kapernack his season took off. It's not impossible to win a Super Bowl with Smith but your team better have an elite defense and very strong running game.
 
who cares, he isnt a world beating QB and certainly not "elite". the only years smith has done anything noteworthy are with an outstanding coach, a coach which eventually benched him in the middle of a super bowl run.

This should tell you everything you need to know about Alex Smith.

Fuck this guy, I want a winner. Not someone that on his best days is a game-manager.
 
Alex Smith has lost 6 games in 1.5 years.

And made it to the NFC Championship game, where they would have won if it wasn't for their PR fucking up.
 
How hard is it to look serviceable in an offense that is literally STACKED at every position?

Remember the pre-Harbaugh years? Smith was a joke.
 
Alex Smith has lost 6 games in 1.5 years.

And made it to the NFC Championship game, where they would have won if it wasn't for their PR fucking up.

So do you like Sanchez too? He went to the AFC Championship twice!

Alex Smith's QBR last 4 years:
2009- 40
2010- 40
2011- 45 (When the team went 13-3)
2012- 70 (through 9 games)

****For a comparison, Colt McCoy's QBR was 45 in 2010, and 40 in 2011.

So even when the team was kicking ass, they were covering his sub-par play. Then, when the team is rolling along, they decided to stick with Kap based on one game of better play, by a coach who knows what he is doing.

:thumbdown to Alex Smith
 
QBR is such a terrible statistic. I will trust it when they revel the mathematics behind the damn thing, and when someone other than Trent Dilfer actually uses it.
 
So do you like Sanchez too? He went to the AFC Championship twice!

Alex Smith's QBR last 4 years:
2009- 40
2010- 40
2011- 45 (When the team went 13-3)
2012- 70 (through 9 games)

****For a comparison, Colt McCoy's QBR was 45 in 2010, and 40 in 2011.

So even when the team was kicking ass, they were covering his sub-par play. Then, when the team is rolling along, they decided to stick with Kap based on one game of better play, by a coach who knows what he is doing.

:thumbdown to Alex Smith

Where are you getting this QBR from? Did it get made up, I'm confused as shit

Smith has only had 2 seasons where his QBR was below 60 and in both those seasons he's played less than 10 games?

If you look at this

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7177/career

it shows Smith's QBR as being above 80 the last 4 years trending up in each season and it his QBR last year jumped up 8 points to 90

Smith's QBR this year before he got hurt was 105

also this head line from the article from October

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/77416/qbr-ranks-49ers-alex-smith-leads-nfl

QBR ranks: 49ers' Alex Smith leads NFL
10/08/1212:05 By Mike Sando

Alex Smith has generally done what the San Francisco 49ers have asked him to do since last season.

Some of the quarterback's most valuable contributions -- changing plays at the line of scrimmage, for instance -- have been tough to quantify.

Coach Jim Harbaugh called Smith "elite" and promoted him for the Pro Bowl last season. Supporters could always point to Smith's No. 9 ranking in NFL passer rating for 2011 (90.7 set a career high for him) even while Smith and Harbaugh discounted raw stats as a meaningful way to measure quarterback performance.

That was all fine, but money trumps talk and stats. And when Smith became a free agent last offseason, the 49ers let him test the market, something teams almost never allow franchise quarterbacks to do. Smith ultimately commanded a game manager's contract from the 49ers, a three-year deal giving the team an out after only one season.

Despite that No. 9 ranking in passer rating, Smith ranks 20th among NFL quarterbacks in compensation for this season. That salary ranking lines up closely with Smith's No. 22 ranking last season in Total QBR, the metric ESPN developed to take into account a fuller measure of a quarterback's contributions.

Players with high NFL passer ratings and relatively low QBR scores generally aren't asked to carry their offenses. They're efficient passers, but not the most valuable quarterbacks. They're more apt to sign modest contracts.

That was the case for Smith last season.

Times could be changing.

Smith leads the NFL in passer rating and Total QBR through five weeks this season. That suggests he's carrying more of the offensive load for the 49ers, something we saw most demonstrably during a 45-3 victory over Buffalo on Sunday. Smith completed 18 of 24 passes for 303 yards and three touchdowns, including two on throws well down the field.
Football is, of course, a team game. A quarterback surrounded by superior talent enjoys significant advantages.

Then this one from a month later (don't have insider)

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8573212/nfl-qbr-alex-smith-measures-game-best-qbs


Measuring Alex Smith Niners QB rates among NFL's best ... except for key weakness

Alex Smith joined the "Stats are for Losers" club last season when he was compared to Drew Brees and Cam Newton. At some level, of course, the mantra that winning is all that matters is right; the NFL is a results-oriented business, and at the end of the day, you need to win to be considered successful. And Smith is definitely winning.

Smith also learned in last season's NFC Championship Game that wins and losses cannot always be laid at the foot of the quarterback. Football after all is a game with 22 players on the field at all times, and although the QB can have a large impact on the outcome, he is not the only player who can. This is why statistics such as QBR are useful; they help assess the contribution the QB made to the win or loss.
 
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Where are you getting this QBR from? Did it get made up, I'm confused as shit

Smith has only had 2 seasons where his QBR was below 60 and in both those seasons he's played less than 10 games?

If you look at this

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7177/career

it shows Smith's QBR as being above 80 the last 4 years trending up in each season and it his QBR last year jumped up 8 points to 90

Smith's QBR this year before he got hurt was 105

also this head line from the article from October

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/77416/qbr-ranks-49ers-alex-smith-leads-nfl

That's QB rating, which is not the same as ESPN's QBR. QBR is a rating from 1 to 100. It's intent is to be the NFL equivalent of Hollinger's PER for QBs, but it comes up way short. I definitely agree with Amherst that it's a busted stat.
 

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