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2015 Browns Mock Draft Thread

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You could say this for 95% of players. Where have the Browns gone with the great Joe Thomas at LT? Revis has won a lot of Super Bowls...It's a team effort and WR is part of the puzzle. The Browns need a WR, especially if they get rid of Gordon. A WR may touch the ball 10 times a game, but he still has an effect on every offensive snap. You can dictate coverage and open up the game for other players.

You can say that about 95 percent of players...on the Browns.

But there is a clear formula throughout the league that are good predictors of success.

Wide receiver is not generally one of them.


Offensive line/running game, defensive front seven, quarterback....yes, higher priority.
 
You can say that about 95 percent of players...on the Browns.

But there is a clear formula throughout the league that are good predictors of success.

Wide receiver is not generally one of them.


Offensive line/running game, defensive front seven, quarterback....yes, higher priority.

Definitely higher priority, but mostly because I feel good or even great WRs can be found in the 2nd and 3rd round.

I would not scoff at a 1st round WR at all.
 
Farmer just made is abundantly clear that he values other positions far more highly than WR because of the lack of touches per game.

Take that FWIW.

But I can see this team moving forward with second day wide receivers, the second and third round is where good teams always seem to find crucial offensive weapons.

Maybe DGB will fall to the second? :chuckle:



But from what I just heard, I'm not mocking another WR to the Browns in the first round.

Really wouldn't be shocked to see them go defense with both 1st rounders this year. Get an edge rusher early on (Ray, Dupree, Fowler) and then some meat and athleticism on the D Line with the second pick (Brown, Goldman, Shelton, Phillips). Phillips is a freak of nature-- he could be a big riser.
 
You can say that about 95 percent of players...on the Browns.

But there is a clear formula throughout the league that are good predictors of success.

Wide receiver is not generally one of them.


Offensive line/running game, defensive front seven, quarterback....yes, higher priority.

This year's playoff teams:

Arizona - Fitzgerald
Baltimore - Smith Sr.
Carolina - Benjamin
Cincinnati - Green
Dallas - Bryant
Denver - Thomas
Detroit - Johnson
Green Bay - Nelson
Indianapolis - Hilton
New England - Edelman
Pittsburgh - Brown
Seattle - Baldwin

So of the 12 teams we have 7 or 8 of the top 10 WR's in the league. It looks even better if you include Sanders, Tate, and Cobb. The only teams without at least 1 receiver with over 1,000 receiving yards are Arizona, Seattle, and New England, although Gronkowski makes up for Edelman being 28 yards short.

I don't hate the approach, but I think it's a bit concerning to not see the worth of a top tier WR.

Also wanted to add for fairness that most of the elite qb's in the league are included in this list, and they deserve a ton of the credit for WR's being who they are. Still, quite a few of these guys are drafted early in the draft.
 
This year's playoff teams:

Arizona - Fitzgerald
Baltimore - Smith Sr.
Carolina - Benjamin
Cincinnati - Green
Dallas - Bryant
Denver - Thomas
Detroit - Johnson
Green Bay - Nelson
Indianapolis - Hilton
New England - Edelman
Pittsburgh - Brown
Seattle - Baldwin

So of the 12 teams we have 7 or 8 of the top 10 WR's in the league. It looks even better if you include Sanders, Tate, and Cobb. The only teams without at least 1 receiver with over 1,000 receiving yards are Arizona, Seattle, and New England, although Gronkowski makes up for Edelman being 28 yards short.

what the hell is this list? fitz, smith, bengamin, edelman, and baldwin??? really are you serious?
none of those guys are top threats either anymore or yet or ever.
 
Benjamin is a rookie with 1000 yds and 9 TDs... pretty damned good. Steve Smith has over 1000 yards.

I agree WR isn't a huge need that needs to be addressed early in the draft, but I also wouldn't be upset if we got one of he top WRs in this draft. It's definitely a need and something that will help this team big time. Right now we are throwing scrubs out there. I'm not cool with that. The whole "All these great WRs don't have SB rings!" is ridiculous IMO. I'm down with building up the lines...our O line is pretty damn good when healthy already ... but let's not neglect the receiver position like we did last year in one of the best receiver drafts in a while. That was just idiocy.
 
I don't blame him. Look at:

AJ Green
Calvin Johnson
Julio Jones
Larry Fitzgerald
Andre Johnson

Not a single superbowl ring between the bunch. That's somewhat surprising to be honest, but it just illustrates that despite the flash and pizazz of the dominant receiver, they don't guarantee success.

I absolutely hate when people make lists of positions and say they aren't important because "none of these top fill in position here have ever won a Super Bowl, so therefore they aren't important."

You could do that with ANY position in any sport.

If we are going to play that game, then Left Tackle is the least important position in the history of the NFL. You know why!?!?!? BECAUSE JOE THOMAS IS ONE OF THE BEST EVER AND HAS NEVER EVEN MADE THE DAMN PLAYOFFS! THEREFORE, LEFT TACKLES ARE NOT IMPORTANT. WE SHOULDN'T EVEN PUT ONE ON THE FIELD.

Gimme a break, smh.
 
what the hell is this list? fitz, smith, bengamin, edelman, and baldwin??? really are you serious?
none of those guys are top threats either anymore or yet or ever.

It's the list of each playoff team's top WR. Did you read what I wrote?

I could have left out the guys that didnt fit my argument, but figured it was more fair to include Baldwin, Fitz, and even Edelman.


To expand further, there were 21 receivers with 1,000 receiving yards this year, 14 of them are on playoff teams. That's a pretty significant amount to me.
 
Hmm, for the most part I think those WRs have above average to great QBs, that's probably a better indicator.
 
It's the list of each playoff team's top WR. Did you read what I wrote?

I could have left out the guys that didnt fit my argument, but figured it was more fair to include Baldwin, Fitz, and even Edelman.


To expand further, there were 21 receivers with 1,000 receiving yards this year, 14 of them are on playoff teams. That's a pretty significant amount to me.

the conversation is if it is necessary to have a top WR to win a superbowl. Not what playoff teams have current/former/never will be WRs that get 1000 yards in a season.
 
I absolutely hate when people make lists of positions and say they aren't important because "none of these top fill in position here have ever won a Super Bowl, so therefore they aren't important."

You could do that with ANY position in any sport.

If we are going to play that game, then Left Tackle is the least important position in the history of the NFL. You know why!?!?!? BECAUSE JOE THOMAS IS ONE OF THE BEST EVER AND HAS NEVER EVEN MADE THE DAMN PLAYOFFS! THEREFORE, LEFT TACKLES ARE NOT IMPORTANT. WE SHOULDN'T EVEN PUT ONE ON THE FIELD.

Gimme a break, smh.

yes that is the entire argument. All teams should cut their LT, and never field another LT again.

i agree with you i dont generally like arguments like this, however it does raise a couple of interesting points. what positions have most superbowl winning teams invested heavily in. We know its not WR, is RB even on that list , is LT on that list? or is it a team function, is it entirely dependent on the QB?

this kinda boils down to the "winning formula" idea. i would venture to guess most super bowl winning teams have a probowl defensive linemen and pro-bowl CB,but thats just a guess.
 
I absolutely hate when people make lists of positions and say they aren't important because "none of these top fill in position here have ever won a Super Bowl, so therefore they aren't important."

You could do that with ANY position in any sport.

If we are going to play that game, then Left Tackle is the least important position in the history of the NFL. You know why!?!?!? BECAUSE JOE THOMAS IS ONE OF THE BEST EVER AND HAS NEVER EVEN MADE THE DAMN PLAYOFFS! THEREFORE, LEFT TACKLES ARE NOT IMPORTANT. WE SHOULDN'T EVEN PUT ONE ON THE FIELD.

Gimme a break, smh.

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Hmm, for the most part I think those WRs have above average to great QBs, that's probably a better indicator.

Yes.

I won't, like Ray, try to make the argument that WRs aren't important. Skill players in general just don't have as great an impact on a play-to-play basis, that is true. They do, however, get into the end-zone. Ray may think that your line strength gets you into the end-zone, but it's not infallible. You still need guys who can make the big play, whether they play one snap or fifty. If your team has a large issue with getting into the end-zone, you might want to try to get a guy who can win the individual battle even when the offense isn't working harmoniously.
 
When did this become "Ray Farmer doesn't think wide receivers are important?"

He was talking more about value in the draft than anything else, IMO.


Not valuing wide receivers high in the draft for the impact they provide and not thinking they're important to the football team aren't the same thing.
 
When did this become "Ray Farmer doesn't think wide receivers are important?"

He was talking more about value in the draft than anything else, IMO.

When I was watching him speak, I just got the impression that he didn't feel it was necessary to have the "silver bullet". I see that as a guy who can win an individual battle almost every time.

Yeah, he's talking about draft position. He did also give one draft for me to analyze.

I'm not sure this needs to be picked apart. I just don't think he values WRs very much. The Browns had a hodge-podge group of well performing guys. Guys that other teams aren't knocking on the door for. It's my extrapolation.
 

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