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2015 Free Agency (Cavs Centric)

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My hope is that Chandler takes a big discount to ring chase, kind of like Ray Allen. I'm not quite sure what the market will be for him, but I don't expect a team to offer him multiple years at 10 million a year or something. But still, if a team offers him 3 years at 7 million or so a year, that's way more than what we could pay him.
 
My hope is that Chandler takes a big discount to ring chase, kind of like Ray Allen. I'm not quite sure what the market will be for him, but I don't expect a team to offer him multiple years at 10 million a year or something. But still, if a team offers him 3 years at 7 million or so a year, that's way more than what we could pay him.

Since he's only 32, I would think that he still tries to get his money for another 2-3 years before he starts ring chasing. The way he played last year should dictate that he will get paid.
 
Chandler is still way too productive to play for $3 million a year (most we could offer him through the mini midlevel). Some team will happily give him $10 million for 2-3 years as he is still producing a double double with a PER over 20. 7-1" guys that can do that are still at a premium, and its not like he's 37.
 
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If we want players like Chandler, Crawford, etc.. We're going to need to make trades, not pursue them in free agency; especially if we're over the apron.
 
And now that the Clippers have yet again underperformed, three years in a row, what changes will be made?

Do they give Jordan that max contract he's looking for? What of Crawford? He's got a reasonable deal; a team option of $5.6M, with no sign-and-trade necessary.

Just 3 months ago, the Clippers were scurrying to trade Crawford before the deadline, asking for a pick and a wing. Can we flip Haywood and a pick in a three-team deal for Jamal Crawford?

Jamal, JR, and Delly (Shump starting) is a pretty solid perimeter bench.
 
And now that the Clippers have yet again underperformed, three years in a row, what changes will be made?

Do they give Jordan that max contract he's looking for? What of Crawford? He's got a reasonable deal; a team option of $5.6M, with no sign-and-trade necessary.

Just 3 months ago, the Clippers were scurrying to trade Crawford before the deadline, asking for a pick and a wing. Can we flip Haywood and a pick in a three-team deal for Jamal Crawford?

Jamal, JR, and Delly (Shump starting) is a pretty solid perimeter bench.

I think they have to rethink things. Griffin and Jordan are way too similar. They would be wise to trade Jordan for somebody else that can get a shot on their own. It's too hard on Paul in these type of situations to bring them back.
 
Crawford and JR are too similar to be useful off the bench.

Would rather look for someone like CJ Watson or Livingston.

Crawford and JR aren't really similar...

Crawford can and often does play point. He's a more reliable scorer. He's the third leading scorer for the Clippers...

Not sure about the comparison, especially considering JR's very established role in Blatt's offense as a non-isolation based catch and shoot player.

I don't think the two would have overlapping roles here.
 
I think they have to rethink things. Griffin and Jordan are way too similar. They would be wise to trade Jordan for somebody else that can get a shot on their own. It's too hard on Paul in these type of situations to bring them back.

I agree, I think they sign-and-trade Jordan, if at all possible.
 
Crawford and JR aren't really similar...

Crawford can and often does play point. He's a more reliable scorer. He's the third leading scorer for the Clippers...

Not sure about the comparison, especially considering JR's very established role in Blatt's offense as a non-isolation based catch and shoot player.

I don't think the two would have overlapping roles here.

Jamal Crawford's role is no different than JR Smith's was in NY when he won 6th man of the year. He was the initiator off the bench. The skillsets are too similar.

And I have no idea where you get the idea that Crawford is a more reliable scorer. He's a career 41% FG *didn't even hit 40% this season*, and 35% from behind the arc, compared to a 42.5/37.

The only scoring area that Crawford excels in is at the charity stripe.

If your idea of more reliable scorer is a higher PPG average for his career, you seem to forget that Crawford has NEVER played with a volume scorer in his entire career where as JR has basically spent 99% of his career behind Carmelo.
 
I think many will be disappointed if players like Jordan and Crawford are their desires this offseason.

We will be lucky and successful if all we do is keep our core together, sign the 1 draft pick we have, get 100% healthy (Andy, Love) and find two more ring chasing vets to replace Perkins, Matrix and Haywood.

We will be over the apron, so no sign and trade, we wont use Haywood to sign someone if TT and Love return, Miller will opt in and James Jones has proven to useful not to resign again.

So looking at all of these big all star level options is dreaming.
 
Jamal Crawford's role is no different than JR Smith's was in NY when he won 6th man of the year. He was the initiator off the bench. The skillsets are too similar.

But that's not how JR is used here; that's my point.

And I have no idea where you get the idea that Crawford is a more reliable scorer. He's a career 41% FG *didn't even hit 40% this season*, and 35% from behind the arc, compared to a 42.5/37.

Umm.. it's pretty obvious:

Jamal Crawford is scoring 21.75 PPG p/36 over the past two seasons; JR Smith is scoring 15.4 PPG p/36.

When adjusting for pace, Crawford is scoring 30 ppg p/100 possessions, Smith is scoring ~22 ppg p/100 possessions.

Also using FG% is suspect and simply the wrong stat considering the very different shot chart (JR taking 2/3rd's of his shots behind the arc makes this comparison silly).

Instead, comparing true shooting over the past two seasons we find that these players have very similar efficiency:

Crawford: .544 TS%
Smith: .535 TS%

So... I don't really get how you can make the claim that you are. Simply watch them play, and if you don't have the opportunity, the stats demonstrate these facts to you clearly.

If anything, the two players have similar efficiency, but Crawford definitely is a more reliable scorer, this is undeniable. If you like I can plot the standard deviation between the two and demonstrate to you unequivocally that Crawford is more consistent?

Lastly, to say they are very similar players (as in, one negates the need for the other) is an oversimplification and, in that, misses the mark, I think, completely.

The only scoring area that Crawford excels in is at the charity stripe.

...nonsense.

If your idea of more reliable scorer is a higher PPG average for his career, you seem to forget that Crawford has NEVER played with a volume scorer in his entire career where as JR has basically spent 99% of his career behind Carmelo.

Yeah, I don't see how this is relevant. But you're entitled to your opinion.
 
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I think many will be disappointed if players like Jordan and Crawford are their desires this offseason.

We will be lucky and successful if all we do is keep our core together, sign the 1 draft pick we have, get 100% healthy (Andy, Love) and find two more ring chasing vets to replace Perkins, Matrix and Haywood.

We will be over the apron, so no sign and trade, we wont use Haywood to sign someone if TT and Love return, Miller will opt in and James Jones has proven to useful not to resign again.

So looking at all of these big all star level options is dreaming.

Why?
 
But that's not how JR is used here; that's my point.



Umm.. it's pretty obvious:

Jamal Crawford is scoring 21.75 PPG p/36 over the past two seasons; JR Smith is scoring 15.4 PPG p/36.

When adjusting for pace, Crawford is scoring 30 ppg p/100 possessions, Smith is scoring ~22 ppg p/100 possessions.

Also using FG% is suspect and simply the wrong stat considering the very different shot chart (JR taking 2/3rd's of his shots behind the arc makes this comparison silly).

Instead, comparing true shooting over the past two seasons we find that these players have very similar efficiency:

Crawford: .544 TS%
Smith: .535 TS%

So... I don't really get how you can say, whatsoever, that "you have no idea where I got the idea from." Simply watch them play, and if you don't have the opportunity, the stats demonstrate these facts to you clearly.



...nonsense.



Yeah, I don't see how this is relevant. But you're entitled to your opinion.

You don't see how Crawford being given a free license to jack up shots as the 1st option on his teams isn't comparable to a guy who's at best been the 2nd/3rd option behind a prolific scorer like Carmelo? For his career, Crawford averages at least 18 shots a game, Smith closer to 15.

As for 2/3s of JR's shots being behind the arc, I'm calling bullshit becase they have similar career averages. 5.1 attempted for Crawford/5.2 for Smith.

Just because Blatt doesn't use JR to run the point doesn't mean that he can't. And I don't think Blatt would put Crawford to running the point either. He's not exactly the most careful with the ball as evidenced by him not even able to average 2 assists per turnover.

Crawfords TS% gets a huge bump because of his FTs where he averages a higher percentage and almost 4 attempts more a game.

So again, I don't see a giant difference between the 2. Smith already fills the role that Crawford has traditionally played, and Crawfords added extras from recent seasons aren't enough reason to permanently move him to the point.
 

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