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2015 NBA Offseason Thread

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I used to think that, but watching him gig it for the the Wolves last year extinguished all hope I had for him as an NBA player. He just isn't cut out for this.
 
lulz. Miami is planning to offer Dragic less than his 4 year max would be worth, essentially taking their one chip off that table that could keep away him from opposing teams.

In fairness, 5 years/$80 mil is probably closer to what he's worth, but why would you trade multiple picks for a guy if you are going to do something like this?

Lol... Not a chance he doesn't get a full max offer.

80/5 is what Tristan is liable to get. Dragic is worth an 80/4 max, and wants the additional year - he's not looking for a new CBA contract, but a max in the old CBA.
 
Seeing this off season in Miami play out brings a huge grin to my face...first low-balling #HeatLifer Dwayne Wade, and now wanting to just cut off Chalmers & Birdman purely to save a few dollars, just like they did with Mike Miller a couple years ago.

More and more are starting to take notice of what kind of operation they are running down there. And I love it.
 
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If we hadn't traded for Love though, we wouldn't have won the chip this year....

IF you were GM we wouldn't have traded Wiggins, we get it.

Of course if you were GM you'd also have kept Dion Waiters on the team and we'd have never sniffed the Finals so.........
 
Seeing this off season in Miami play out brings a huge grin to my face...first low-balling #HeatLifer Dwayne Wade, and now wanting to just cut off Chalmers & Birdman purely to save a few dollars, just like they did with Mike Miller a couple years ago.

More and more are starting to take notice of what kind of operation they are running down there. And I love it.

Could you have imagined Riley telling LeBron if he were still there that they'd be cutting back to "clear space for 2016."
 
Sounds like the Suns are looking to move Bledsoe and have been dangling him trades this off-season and could be moved this week....

Watch out for a trade with the Knicks if anything....
 
Lol... Not a chance he doesn't get a full max offer.

80/5 is what Tristan is liable to get. Dragic is worth an 80/4 max, and wants the additional year - he's not looking for a new CBA contract, but a max in the old CBA.

Just to clarify, Tristan can only get a deal for 4 years because Kyrie already got the "designated player" tag. Also, the 4 year max for Dragic is around 85/4 and a full 5 year max would be over $100 mil.

My guess is that Miami is trying to argue that 80/4 in Miami with no state income tax, is worth the same if not more than a "max" deal from the Lakers or Knicks.
 
Just to clarify, Tristan can only get a deal for 4 years because Kyrie already got the "designated player" tag.

I think it'd be more accurate to say that Tristan can only get a 4 year deal because he's coming off a rookie contract. There is no team in the league that would use the designated player tag on Tristan.

Also, the 4 year max for Dragic is around 85/4 and a full 5 year max would be over $100 mil.

Indeed, I was using approximations for easier maths, but, let's go with your numbers.

My guess is that Miami is trying to argue that 80/4 in Miami with no state income tax, is worth the same if not more than a "max" deal from the Lakers or Knicks.

This can't be the case.

California has a 10.1% state income tax (NY has 8.82%), so since California represents the worst case scenario we can say, easily, that Dragic would lose substantially by opting to stay in Miami at 80/4 for tax reasons.

With 4.5% raises, leaving in free agency (unlikely, as he'd be sign-and-traded in most scenarios), Dragic would lose 10.7M over 4 years. With 7.5% raises he'd lose $19M over the same span. New York (assuming he doesn't live in the city) is favorable as well.

So here, the tax argument doesn't really factor in, let alone when considering the increased airtime and potential for endorsement deals in either location.

Dragic will leave Miami if they don't come close to the max offer that he's almost assuredly going to get from either Los Angeles or the Knicks. He wants the extra year.
 
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I think it'd be more accurate to say that Tristan can only get a 4 year deal because he's coming off a rookie contract. There is no team in the league that would use the designated player tag on Tristan.

I think the designated player tag is only for your own players, but maybe I'm wrong. Either way, he's stuck with getting a 4 year deal regardless of who he signs with this summer.

This can't be the case.

California has a 10.1% state income tax (NY has 8.82%), so since California represents the worst case scenario we can say, easily, that Dragic would lose substantially by opting to stay in Miami at 80/4 for tax reasons.

With 4.5% raises, leaving in free agency (unlikely, as he'd be sign-and-traded in most scenarios), Dragic would lose 10.7M over 4 years. With 7.5% raises he'd lose $19M over the same span. New York (assuming he doesn't live in the city) is favorable as well.

So here, the tax argument doesn't really factor in, let alone when considering the increased airtime and potential for endorsement deals in either location.

Dragic will leave Miami if they don't come close to the max offer that he's almost assuredly going to get from either Los Angeles or the Knicks. He wants the extra year.

I made a mistake. The rumored deal from Miami is 80/5. Everyone else could offer 85/4.

So if he values having guaranteed years, then Miami's deal is obviously better.
 
Sounds like the Suns are looking to move Bledsoe and have been dangling him trades this off-season and could be moved this week....

Watch out for a trade with the Knicks if anything....

What a waste. They went from having three dynamic point guards (including an All-NBA 3rd Teamer) to probably moving them all.

What exactly are they doing in Phoenix? Last year, this was a team on the brink of playoff contention. This year, they took a couple steps back. Do they have an actual plan in place there, or...?
 
I think the designated player tag is only for your own players, but maybe I'm wrong. Either way, he's stuck with getting a 4 year deal regardless of who he signs with this summer.

Right, but I think the point is that the franchise tag simply wouldn't apply to a player like Tristan.

I made a mistake. The rumored deal from Miami is 80/5. Everyone else could offer 85/4.

So if he values having guaranteed years, then Miami's deal is obviously better.

Huh?

Miami's deal is not better. Not remotely.

Valuing the additional year means you want more guaranteed money. 85/4 is more guaranteed money than 80/5. But I think since we're getting down to the nitty gritty, it's important to note that these values are first-year approximations, they're not counting raises.

Goran's true max contract over 4 years is 94.35 @ 7.5% raises and 90.9 at 4.5% raises, not 85M. The same can be said for Miami's offer, which would likely include the 7.5% raises as well, but the starting value difference of $5M+ plays into this.

Miami's offer, when spanned over max raises and 5 years, is only $2M more guaranteed than Dragic could get in 4 years playing at 4.5% raises, but would require an additional year's work to net such a minimal increase in income? No way his agent would advise him to accept such a deal.

Considering the teams approaching him will all likely be under the cap, again, it's very possible that Goran would be S&T'd and thus would get max raises regardless.

When taking this into account, the difference in value between a potential Lakers max offer and Miami's present offer (including state tax differential) is $19.87M over 4 years (given: MIA S&T'd to LAL).

If Goran gets a 3+1 deal with a player option in year 4, he'd be a young 32 years old under a $108M cap looking for a 3 year extension in 16-20M range (the deal that Dwyane Wade is looking for right now, but 2 years younger).

From a cap perspective, the max four year deal with the final year being a player option makes the most sense for him. Dragic should be looking for a new deal in 3-4 seasons, even if it's for less money. He could very likely net $128M over the next 6 years (or even $155M in 7), so why settle for $92M over the next 5?

The 5 year deal at 80M/5 starting salary is not good value for him. 106.25/5 (using the approximations again), makes a great deal more sense if he wants to minimize risk and get the absolute most guaranteed money he can get. That extra $26.25M makes a tremendous amount of sense over 5 years if it's all guaranteed.

That's why Goran wants the full max over 5 years. When you do the math, he'd be getting $122.2M over those 5 years. So when compared to what he's liable to get over 6 or 7, it makes tremendous sense to go for either the short term or long-term max deals rather than the $16M low-ball offer.
 
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