2016 Browns Mock Draft Thread

[Snowblind]

I cant believe people want to use another first round pick on QB's that are just a gamble, particularly Lynch. The same people screaming for the browns to draft him will be the ones screaming to have him cut if half way through the season if he hasn't proven he's an absolute stud. they're the same people that wanted Manziel. we have more holes to fill then QB on this team. I'd rather take a sure bet, in a guy like Bosa to help defend the rush and pressure the QB.

I wish i could find an article i read earlier this year that broke it down even into the further rounds cause you're statistically not even that much better off drafting a qb early, but this shows even the first round is a 50/50 gamble http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2015/04/success_for_quarterbacks_picke.html

it's frustrating how short sighted many browns fans are. i'm sure i'll be berated for this opinion because QB is the most important position in the NFL but unless someone distinguishes themselves as the next Andrew Luck i'd rather gamble in the later rounds.

I want them to draft a QB, and I had no desire to have Manziel anywhere close to this team. I think that's a very short sighted comment by you. If you would just stick to wanting to draft a different position, because that player is better than said QB, okay, I can understand that.

Also how many Andrew Luck QB's come around? And how often are teams in a position to draft that qb (that need a qb)? If there is a good QB prospect, the Browns should look into drafting him. If the Browns drafted either Carr or Bridgewater, they could be using these future first round picks to fill out the team like you, and many others want to do.

There are different ways to get your QB (lucking out like NE, develop them behind a starter like GB, in the 2nd round like Cincy, Middle rounds like Flacco, top 5 picks), but its finding the right one with the best NFL QB attributes and developing them. The Browns wont go anywhere without a future qb and a defense that can stop the run. Both need to be addressed this off season.

 

[Randolphkeys]

they're the same people that wanted Manziel.

Not even remotely.

Hi, I want to draft a rookie quarterback this year, and I have always believed Manziel to be the darling of a hype machine with no starting NFL future. This has a lot to do with watching his lack of NFL tools in college, and listening to scouts who actually watching game footage. There were dozens more like me on record here on RCF.

The Manziel supporters have overwhelmingly remained loyal, somehow, to the little fellow.

 

[Marbles]

Oh are they?

If the QB is 50-50 in the early rounds, what's it like in the later rounds?

What's the success rate for defensive lineman in the early? Probably 50-50 or so.

It's not about some magic number in a success rate over a large sample, it's about making the best pick for your team and having the development system to support them regardless of position.

Should they not take CBs anymore because Gilbert hasn't played to the level of a 1st rounder? Is OL out because of Erving?

The Browns struggle so bad with the draft, should they deal all their picks since they're operating at far less than 50-50?

in general from my experience i think they are but I would assume it's obvious i'm not talking about literally every person. I agree that it is about the best pick and having the development system to set them up for success.

admittedly i wanted the browns to draft Gilbert, so i'm not claiming to be perfect either. but bosa seems like a slam dunk game changer.

also i doubt many people are gonna comment or admit they wanted manziel and then wanted mariota and now want lynch etc... people aren't exactly honest on the internet typically.

and lastly i'm not ready to give up on erving yet. he's had one start at a position i believe he's never played before. a little early to call him a bust. more then anything i think he was an alex mack replacement.

 

[Marbles]

I want them to draft a QB, and I had no desire to have Manziel anywhere close to this team. I think that's a very short sighted comment by you. If you would just stick to wanting to draft a different position, because that player is better than said QB, okay, I can understand that.

Also how many Andrew Luck QB's come around? And how often are teams in a position to draft that qb (that need a qb)? If there is a good QB prospect, the Browns should look into drafting him. If the Browns drafted either Carr or Bridgewater, they could be using these future first round picks to fill out the team like you, and many others want to do.

There are different ways to get your QB (lucking out like NE, develop them behind a starter like GB, in the 2nd round like Cincy, Middle rounds like Flacco, top 5 picks), but its finding the right one with the best NFL QB attributes and developing them. The Browns wont go anywhere without a future qb and a defense that can stop the run. Both need to be addressed this off season.

like i said in my previous comment. i think bosa looks like a slam dunk game changer at a position we need. i personally prefer to draft and develop a QB method but yes i realize every QB is a gamble for the most part. stud QB's are a rarity obviously.

 

[Chris]

I wanted Bridgewater over anybody but looking back I almost think Carr would be even better.

We could have easily had our franchise qb from last draft. Its hard to find one but not as hard as the browns are making it with their ineptitude.

Edit: not last draft i meant 2014

 

[AZ_]

like i said in my previous comment. i think bosa looks like a slam dunk game changer at a position we need. i personally prefer to draft and develop a QB method but yes i realize every QB is a gamble for the most part. stud QB's are a rarity obviously.

Stud anything is a rarity.

Not sure why you're singling out a QB as somehow more difficult to find greatness early. There isn't much to suggest it's somehow more difficult to find success their than other positions.

 

[bushwick_bill]

Browns biggest need is drafting an OL...

 

[EdMonix11]

I wanted Bridgewater over anybody but looking back I almost think Carr would be even better.

We could have easily had our franchise qb from last draft. Its hard to find one but not as hard as the browns are making it with their ineptitude.

Edit: not last draft i meant 2014

He was the top ranked QB on the Browns board per Kyle Shanahan errr Jason LaCanfora....

 

[Chris]

I think a lot of people couldnt get away from the stigma of his name, awful as that sounds.

 

[BimboColesHair]

I wanted Bridgewater over anybody but looking back I almost think Carr would be even better.

We could have easily had our franchise qb from last draft. Its hard to find one but not as hard as the browns are making it with their ineptitude.

Edit: not last draft i meant 2014

Because he's being asked to do more and putting up better #'s with no HOF RB behind him? Still a pretty poor decision maker, and his INTs keep them from winning games. Like an off brand Cutler.

Browns made their biggest mistake spending all that money to tell them to draft Teddy and then passing on him when all the "skinny knees" hype started up.

 

[Chris]

Because he's being asked to do more and putting up better #'s with no HOF RB behind him? Still a pretty poor decision maker, and his INTs keep them from winning games. Like an off brand Cutler.

Browns made their biggest mistake spending all that money to tell them to draft Teddy and then passing on him when all the "skinny knees" hype started up.

21-6 TD:INT is hardly awful for a second year QB halfway through the season. Are we really going to pretend he isn't showing franchise QB potential?

I could argue that Bridgewater has the superior team around him, if they swapped places would Bridgewater be doing the same thing?

I don't know the answer. I like both QBs a lot and the Browns would be in an infinitely better situation had we taken one of them, both of whom were readily available.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

If the Browns remain at the #1 pick, I'm not sure they could go wrong with Lynch or Goff, honestly. I think either is just as likely to be a really good NFL starter, Franchise guy.

I know this is highly unlikely, but an off-season of Peyton Manning as head of Football Operations, Adam Gase as HC, and either of those two as our QB would make me extremely happy.

 

[Spectre]

like i said in my previous comment. i think bosa looks like a slam dunk game changer at a position we need. i personally prefer to draft and develop a QB method but yes i realize every QB is a gamble for the most part. stud QB's are a rarity obviously.

Bosa is not a slam dunk game-changer on a team without a franchise QB because it is THAT important to find one first.

Look at the Texans. They already had J.J. Watt. They took Jadeveon Clowney (who was considered a generational talent) #1 instead of Blake Bortles. Not only are they about to go to 3-6 tonight but their defense isn't even that good. Think having Bortles instead of Mallet to start the year is worth at least a win?

If the answer to the question "Is our franchise QB on the roster right now?" is not a definitive yes, we'd be foolish for passing on one if he has a grade even remotely close to our 1st round slot.

Right now, even a Manziel supporter can't answer that with more than a "maybe" if they're being honest. And a new regime isn't going to roll forward with someone else's "maybe".

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I'm not sure what anyone is watching if they think Bosa is a slam dunk. He might become a great pro, but he's not a physical or technical freak.

Lynch and Goff all day long over Bosa.

 

[Ohio]

Bosa is definitely the best player and prospect in the draft, IMO. But I will be furious if the Browns take him over Goff/Lynch.

Get a motherfucking franchise QB.