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Based on what? His past with the Red Sox? The team has under-performed for the second straight season under his watch. Not saying that is all his fault or that he's a bad manager, but he hasn't done much to command that type of praise you just gave him.

I do give him credit for his Red Sox tenure. I also don't see how he's underperformed:

2013 - 92-70
2014 - 85-77
2015 - 56-64

So one year underperforming. Throw in the fact they won 68 games the year before he signed, their 4th losing season in a row, and you can see Tito's impact pretty clearly.

The last time we had back-to-back winning seasons prior to Tito was 2000-2001.
 
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Would like to keep Tito, Not losing any sleep over the other guys. Tito got the 2013 team to over achieve to make that wild card game. He is damn good manager. Shapiro and Antonetti together never put a team on the field that made the playoffs two straight seasons. We had two rebuilds in a ten year span, and Antonetti produced a current last place team this year that can't score runs. Yes the drafting has finally gotten better, and hopefully the guys coming up in 2017 and 18 will live up to the hype. But, not going to be upset about guys leaving who produced one great year in 07, a wild card birth in 13 and mediocre/dissapointing o results every other year since 2002.

Hope they keep the scouts in place that helped them draft Zimmer, Bradley and Frazier. If you can continue to draft well and develop players you can create a young talented team that will get the fanbase's attention. Hopefully all three of these guys stay healthy and keep growing.
 
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Respected or not respected, they haven't done much.

Like I said, I truly don't care. I could just see the move being made and not panicking about it or thinking it was egregious.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I think this front office has done a whole heck of a lot here the last few years, especially with limited funds, and much of it is behind the scenes. I like the job Antonetti has done here as GM-- he's kind of had to clean up after the mess Shapiro left for him and it takes time to build that momentum. We were an organization way behind the times and now we're an industry leader in some regards and on the cutting edge of the baseball revolution.

This front office has turned a small market organization with no player development program to speak of (which made any success unsustainable), and bleeding cash, into a new, cost-effective player personnel system that is finally producing big leaguers in a variety of different ways. It sucks people expect this team to dominate the league like the late 90's and early 2000's but it's a totally unrealistic expectation. The landscape of the MLB has completely changed since then, which makes it an unrealistic expectation, but we're heading into a time where we should be serious contenders for the next few years. We have a nice window here....

This front office has totally revamped the amateur scouting department by hiring well respected writers like Clint Longenecker, Conor Glassey, Matt Forman and Mike Kanen from Baseball America. At the time, they were risky, outside-the-box hires but it's shown tremendous results recently. They've set up one of the deepest and most innovative analytic departments in all of sports-- seriously NHL and NFL teams are hiring people from the Indians analytic department without any experience in those sports. People are really studying how the Indians are training/developing their pitchers now too once they hired Eric Binder from the Texas Baseball Ranch to create a pitching development program, which is run by Derek Falvey, who many expect to be a future GM.

Unfortunately, sometimes the final on-field product can be a little misleading based on the support ownership gives them and that hasn't always been great here with the Dolan's. Respect is earned in professional sports and people seem to have taken notice of the job Shapiro, Antonetti, Chernoff and Falvey have done here. I'm not saying they're perfect but, for me, they've done more than "not much". I'm okay with Shapiro leaving because he's mostly a business guy these days, but I think Antonetti would be a greater loss-- he's been driving the changes within the Baseball Ops team and I would prefer for him to see it through... just my opinion though.
 
At this point I wouldn't even call myself a fairweather Indians fan but this situation has me intrigued. I'm not sure of the Antonetti/Shapiro connection but could this become a mentor/mentee type relationship where Antonetti is anxious to prove he can do just fine without Shapiro and continue building on what he's done the last few drafts?
 
Would like to keep Tito, Not losing any sleep over the other guys. Tito got the 2013 team to over achieve to make that wild card game. He is damn good manager. Shapiro and Antonetti together never put a team on the field that made the playoffs two straight seasons. We had two rebuilds in a ten year span, and Antonetti produced a current last place team this year that can't score runs. Yes the drafting has finally gotten better, and hopefully the guys coming up in 2017 and 18 will live up to the hype. But, not going to be upset about guys leaving who produced one great year in 07, a wild card birth in 13 and mediocre/dissapointing o results every other year since 2002.

Hope they keep the scouts in place that helped them draft Zimmer, Bradley and Frazier. If you can continue to draft well and develop players you can create a young talented team that will get the fanbase's attention. Hopefully all three of these guys stay healthy and keep growing.

It's troubling when fans conflate the Shapiro/Antonetti eras like nothing changed during that time.

There's been a large amount of turnover during that span.

I don't really care what place they're in at the moment, this team is pretty clearly built to succeed for at least the rest of this decade.
 
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I think this front office has done a whole heck of a lot here the last few years, especially with limited funds, and much of it is behind the scenes. I like the job Antonetti has done here as GM-- he's kind of had to clean up after the mess Shapiro left for him and it takes time to build that momentum. We were an organization way behind the times and now we're an industry leader in some regards and on the cutting edge of the baseball revolution.

This front office has turned a small market organization with no player development program to speak of (which made any success unsustainable), and bleeding cash, into a new, cost-effective player personnel system that is finally producing big leaguers in a variety of different ways. It sucks people expect this team to dominate the league like the late 90's and early 2000's but it's a totally unrealistic expectation. The landscape of the MLB has completely changed since then, which makes it an unrealistic expectation, but we're heading into a time where we should be serious contenders for the next few years. We have a nice window here....

This front office has totally revamped the amateur scouting department by hiring well respected writers like Clint Longenecker, Conor Glassey, Matt Forman and Mike Kanen from Baseball America. At the time, they were risky, outside-the-box hires but it's shown tremendous results recently. They've set up one of the deepest and most innovative analytic departments in all of sports-- seriously NHL and NFL teams are hiring people from the Indians analytic department without any experience in those sports. People are really studying how the Indians are training/developing their pitchers now too once they hired Eric Binder from the Texas Baseball Ranch to create a pitching development program, which is run by Derek Falvey, who many expect to be a future GM.

Unfortunately, sometimes the final on-field product can be a little misleading based on the support ownership gives them and that hasn't always been great here with the Dolan's. Respect is earned in professional sports and people seem to have taken notice of the job Shapiro, Antonetti, Chernoff and Falvey have done here. I'm not saying they're perfect but, for me, they've done more than "not much". I'm okay with Shapiro leaving because he's mostly a business guy these days, but I think Antonetti would be a greater loss-- he's been driving the changes within the Baseball Ops team and I would prefer for him to see it through... just my opinion though.

Awesome post.
 
I have to wonder if the Red Sox might be a possible trade partner. They need starting pitching and they have a crowded outfield with Hanley Ramirez, Mookie Betts, Rusney Castillo, and Jackie Bradley Jr. at the major league level.

The Cubs and Padres are other teams that may be fits.
 
Joc benched by LA. Possible trade target in the offseason?
 
No. They have absolutely no reason to move him.
Sure there isn't any rush to move him but, look at the outfield picture of LA. Guerrero, Either, and Crawford are signed through 2018. Puig until 2019. Not to mention Hernandez is looking like an above average outfielder. Realistic? Probably not. But, we need power and the Indians are not going to be able to achieve that through free agency.
 
Sure there isn't any rush to move him but, look at the outfield picture of LA. Guerrero, Either, and Crawford are signed through 2018. Puig until 2019. Not to mention Hernandez is looking like an above average outfielder. Realistic? Probably not. But, we need power and the Indians are not going to be able to achieve that through free agency.
Dodgers will salary dump either Ethier or Crawford before they deal away Pederson. I think Scott Van Slyke would be much more attainable and less expensive.
 
I have to wonder if the Red Sox might be a possible trade partner. They need starting pitching and they have a crowded outfield with Hanley Ramirez, Mookie Betts, Rusney Castillo, and Jackie Bradley Jr. at the major league level.

The Cubs and Padres are other teams that may be fits.
I think they definitely would move Hanley or Bradley. I like Bradley but I think the Sox would want to much for Jack of All Trades type like him. Can't see them dealing the other two but who knows. Dombrowski liked Bradley when he was in Detroit, so who knows what he does. He didn't draft these guys so odds he might trade then before he has a good read on them is possible.
 
It's troubling when fans conflate the Shapiro/Antonetti eras like nothing changed during that time.

There's been a large amount of turnover during that span.

I don't really care what place they're in at the moment, this team is pretty clearly built to succeed for at least the rest of this decade.

It's more troubling and hilarious to hear the fan police.
 
It's more troubling and hilarious to hear the fan police.

I have yet to read a valid argument as to how/why Antonetti hasn't done a good job or how this team isn't set up well for the future..
 
I have yet to read a valid argument as to how/why Antonetti hasn't done a good job or how this team isn't set up well for the future..

If we're set up for the future (and I'm not going to disagree with that) what's the big deal if they leave? They've done their job and are moving on to greener pastures.

We need to start seeing the on field product come together at the big league level.....and it's long overdue.
 

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