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We are a little over a week away from the draft so I thought I'd open up a new thread to highlight specifically the 1st round of the draft. The Browns made a giant move today trading from #2 to #8 and taking on a number of high value picks.


View: https://twitter.com/Browns/status/722846421792067584


View: https://twitter.com/Browns/status/722881949401014272

Let's use this thread to talk about reacting to that trade, draft strategy and some players we may target. I will leave the Draft prospects thread open but let's center that talk on the individual players rather than a catch all for draft talk.
 
Justification and Overview

The name Mitchell Schwartz should in no way play into any draft day conversation we have. I understand we just had a really good RT, and a lot of people (myself included) wanted him back, but he is gone, and now we have quite the hole at RT.

#8 overall is really high to take a right tackle, but teams have drafted guards in the top 10 in recent years. I would rather have a guy that can start 10-12 years as a 'bad value' pick than take a 'great value' pick who ends up being a bust. Obviously Stanley isn't a guarantee, and a different position could lead to a stud, but I just don't like the 'positional value' argument. In a draft filled with busts every year I'm not going to complain about hitting on a pick and getting a pro bowl caliber player just because he doesn't play a glamour position.

In most recent years Stanley is the first tackle off the board, and I personally think he is a better pass blocker than Tunsil.

One of the big knocks on him is 'suspect' run blocking, and let me tell you, that's patently horse shit. He is a 'bad run blocker' in the same sense that Joe Thomas is a 'bad run blocker.' He isn't going to drive a 7 technique into the dirt 7 yards down the field, but his position blocking and ability to get to the second level and engage and maintain with linebackers in space will make him an above average run blocker. Just because you aren't a mauler does NOT mean you aren't a good run blocker. Stanley is an intelligent and athletic run blocker.

Stanley plays great in space. Screens, second level blocking, peeling off blocks. He excels in these areas. He's very fluid at the second level. He is athletic in space and has high awareness. That said I think that Stanley does have a bit of a mean streak to him that gets underplayed because of how good of a pass blocker he is. It's an inconsistent mean streak, and his natural strength isn't a road grader, but he has shown glimpses.

But where he is going to make his money is on passing downs. The guy is great in protection. Great balance, great hands. He is just a damn wall out there. Put him on and island on the left side and don't even worry about it for the rest of the game. Stanley has all-pro potential in my opinion. His floor is pretty damn high, and his ceiling is one of the best pass protection tackles in the NFL.

If the Titans didn't trade down he was probably going #3 overall. I'm still not convinced that the Ravens don't take him at 6. This guy is damn good. And there's a big drop off at tackle after him. Don't buy the Conklin hype. He isn't close to Stanley. At all.

And if you can't get over drafting a RT at #8, in 2 years he would likely slide over to the left side and Joe to the right.

Some Film

I know no one wants to watch entire videos for a tackle, so I will slice up some clips that I feel illustrate my point:

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/7909360

Here is Stanley's strength. Playing in space. This wouldn't be classified as a road grader mauling type run blocking play, but he has the key block on this play. He gets up to the second level, engages with the linebacker, and then positions himself so that the linebacker can't get to the lane, and the RB comes right behind Stanley and runs for a touchdown.

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/7909392

Showing off his pass blocking skills. Stays low. Great footwork. Mirrors the defender. And then it is just embarrassing. Stanley uses the end's momentum against him on basically a hail mary spin move to take him even further away from the QB.

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/7909415

Here's a two for one. The first play he takes a combo block 7 yards down the field before turning himself so that his back is to the running lane. At the point it's over. The defender is sealed off and the lane is open. The second play is just vintage Stanley pass blocking. Great technique and mirrors his man for well over 5 seconds. It's kind of hard to pick out pass blocking plays for Stanley because they all basically look the same. And that's a good thing because they all look extremely good. He is consistent with his technique.
 
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I would be in favor of taking Stanley or Conklin at 8 if we trade Joe Thomas for a 1st and some other stuff. Outside of that, I'm not sure we should take a OT in the 1st round.
 
At 8 I want one of Ramsey/Buckner/Bosa/Jack/Tunsil but it looks like we'll need Dallas or somebody in front of us to take Stanley or Zeke for it to happen.

I am worried about Jack's knee, but obviously am confident in our medical staff's evaluation over my blind guessing.
 
My only interest is in hitting on draft picks. A good valued position bust is still a bust and a pro bowl caliber "luxury" position is still a pro bowl caliber player.

Conklin at 8 would be a pretty big reach. I'm not advocating for safe for the sack of safety. I hated the Shelton and Erving picks. I'm advocating best player available, and if that happens to be a tackle so be it.

Draft Stanley, keep Thomas, and throw the term 'positional value' out the door.

At 8 I want one of Ramsey/Buckner/Bosa/Jack/Tunsil but it looks like we'll need Dallas or somebody in front of us to take Stanley or Zeke for it to happen.

I am worried about Jack's knee, but obviously am confident in our medical staff's evaluation over my blind guessing.
I think Baltimore has a very good chance of taking Stanley.
 
McShay's latest mock from ESPN Insider if anyone cares:

1. Los Angeles Rams

Jared Goff, QB, Cal

After making the move from No. 15 all the way up to No. 1, it seems the worst-kept secret in the world that L.A. is going to pick Goff. The Rams are an ideal landing spot for the Cal product. With a great defense and run-first offense, Goff won't be asked to carry the team from day one.

*Acquired in trade with Titans.

2. Philadelphia Eagles

Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State

The Eagles traded up from No. 8 to No. 2 with the goal of getting whichever quarterback Los Angeles passes on. All signs point to that being Wentz. Big, strong and athletic, he'll face a steep learning curve coming from the FCS, but he has a high ceiling if developed properly. Pairing him with QB guru Doug Pederson would be a great fit.

*Acquired in trade with Browns.

3. San Diego Chargers

Jalen Ramsey, DB, Florida State

Protecting Philip Rivers would seem like the bigger priority, so Laremy Tunsil and Ronnie Stanley are distinct possibilities. But I keep hearing Ramsey. Is he a safety? Is he a corner? I don't really care. One of the best pure football players in this class, Ramsey is a true difference-maker. The Chargers have a need at safety, which he could fill, while also contributing as a corner.

4. Dallas Cowboys

Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Ohio State

I've heard three names all along with Dallas: Elliott, Ramsey and Joey Bosa. It'd be tough for the Cowboys to pass on Bosa, my No. 1 overall player, but Elliott is a perfect fit to play behind Dallas' elite offensive line. He has the skill set to be an every-down RB from day one.

5. Jacksonville Jaguars

Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio State

This defense needs a lot of work, and Bosa has the technique and tenacity to be a difference-maker in Gus Bradley's scheme. He's a versatile 4-3 base DE who can kick inside and rush the passer in sub-package situations.

6. Baltimore Ravens

Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame

Some teams are cooling a little bit on Laremy Tunsil. He could go as high as No. 3, but he also could slide a bit within the top 10. Can you rely on him after he missed time in each of his three college seasons because of injury and suspension? Stanley is the safer prospect in some eyes. His long arms (35½ inches) and athletic skill set bode well for his eventual development into an NFL left tackle.

7. San Francisco 49ers

Laremy Tunsil, OT, Mississippi

If San Diego passes on Tunsil at No. 3 -- which I'm hearing is a distinct possibility -- it's not out of the question that he could slide this far down the board. The 49ers could try to trade back in this situation, but Chip Kelly loves athletic offensive linemen, and Tunsil is a twitchy 310-pounder who excels in pass protection.

8. Cleveland Browns

DeForest Buckner, DE, Oregon

This would be a perfect fit for the Browns. Buckner has some versatility, but he's best suited to play 3-4 DE, which just so happens to be one of Cleveland's biggest needs. Buckner is disruptive against the run and plays with a great motor.

*Acquired in trade with Eagles.

9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Jack Conklin, OT, Michigan State

Look out for a trade at this spot. Tennessee could move up from No. 15 to get a tackle like Conklin to protect Marcus Mariota. Even if Tampa Bay slides down the draft board, the Bucs could still get Vernon Hargreaves III (more on him later).

10. New York Giants

Darron Lee, OLB, Ohio State

The Giants spent big in the offseason to improve their front four and secondary, but they still need to get a few more linebackers who can cover and get sideline-to-sideline against the run. It would mark the first time since Carl Banks in 1984 that the Giants drafted a linebacker in Round 1. Lee has been blessed with an elite combination of speed (4.47 40-yard dash) and athleticism.

11. Chicago Bears

Leonard Floyd, OLB, Georgia

Floyd is one of the hottest players in the draft right now. Oakland would love him at No. 14, and the Giants could take him at No. 10. With upper-tier athleticism for the position, Floyd would give the Bears a high-ceiling pass-rusher off the edge.

12. New Orleans Saints

Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville

Getting stronger along the front four should be the Saints' biggest priority in this draft. Enter Rankins, who has very good quickness and lower-body explosiveness. An exceptional run defender, he flashed as a pass-rusher in his final two college seasons (14.0 sacks).

13. Miami Dolphins

Shaq Lawson, DE, Clemson

Hargreaves could be another option here, but I went with Lawson, who led the FBS last season with 25.5 tackles for loss, playing with a good mixture of relentlessness, technique and discipline. He does his best work against the run and would be a perfect fit for Miami's 4-3 scheme.

*Acquired in trade with Eagles.

14. Oakland Raiders

Reggie Ragland, ILB, Alabama

The Raiders need to get tougher up the middle of their defense. Other than having some limitations in coverage, Ragland is a complete football player who has the size, speed, power and toughness to thrive as the middle linebacker in a 4-3.

15. Tennessee Titans

Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida

If stuck at No. 15 overall, Hargreaves would certainly make sense for Tennessee, filling a position of need with a good value selection. But as I mentioned earlier, I think there's a chance Tennessee could make a deal with Tampa Bay at No. 9 to move back into the top 10. In which case, Hargreaves -- who has the best man-to-man cover skills in this class -- would provide an immediate boost to the Bucs' secondary.

16. Detroit Lions

A'Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama

I'm not as high on Robinson as others -- ahem, Mel -- but he could go in the top 20, especially to a team such as Detroit, which needs to start planning for the future at defensive tackle. Though Robinson has tremendous raw ability, his motor runs a little too hot and cold for my liking.

skinsballr[S] 7 points 5 hours ago

17) Atlanta Falcons

Myles Jack, OLB, UCLA

I'm still trying to get all of the info on Jack's medical reports, but right now, I'm not sure if teams in the top 10 are willing to take the risk on his knee. When healthy, there's no doubting Jack's ability. A true sideline-to-sideline defender, he excels in coverage and would fill a major need for Atlanta.

18) Indianapolis Colts

Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State

After failing to protect Andrew Luck last season, the Colts must come out of this draft with a more solidified offensive line. Decker would be a great place to start. He's a perfect fit at right tackle, Indy's biggest need, and has one of the highest floors of anyone in this draft.

19) Buffalo Bills

Chris Jones, DT, Mississippi State

One of the ultimate boom/bust players in the 2016 class, Jones has the potential to develop into a highly disruptive inside presence if he remains focused. He has a rare combination of length, strength and athleticism. Another player to keep an eye on here: Kevin Dodd from Clemson. The Bills love ACC guys, and while this would be a too early for him based on my board, they do have a bigger need for a perimeter rusher.

20) New York Jets

Eli Apple, CB, Ohio State

There's lots of noise surrounding the Jets and Paxton Lynch. It might happen, but I think it'd be a huge mistake to take such a raw QB prospect this early. Apple has an outstanding size-speed combination; his 4.40 40-yard dash is the fourth-fastest by a DB 6-foot-1 or taller at the NFL combine since 2006. The Jets need a playmaker opposite Darrelle Revis.

21) Washington Redskins

Jarran Reed, DT, Alabama

A physical tone-setter with a great motor, Reed would fit perfectly into the team Scot McCloughan is building. The Alabama product is the best interior run-stuffer in the draft, showing the strength and toughness to fight through double-teams.

22) Houston Texans

Corey Coleman, WR, Baylor

Speed, speed and more speed -- that's what QB Brock Osweiler needs from the wide receiver who ends up playing opposite of DeAndre Hopkins, which is why I opted for Coleman over Mississippi's Laquon Treadwell. Coleman has sub-4.4 wheels and the change-of-direction ability to create big plays after the catch.

23) Minnesota Vikings

Laquon Treadwell, WR, Mississippi

With outstanding hand-eye coordination and body control, Treadwell is highly effective on contested throws and jump balls. He'd give QB Teddy Bridgewater a receiver who can consistently win on short-to-intermediate throws. Great value at No. 23, too.

24) Cincinnati Bengals

Josh Doctson, WR, TCU

Doctson would look good lining up opposite of A.J. Green. The TCU product is a natural pass-catcher who shows the ability to contort his body in contested-catch situations. He's not a burner (4.50 40), but Doctson is fast enough to threaten when he gets a seam after the catch.

25) Pittsburgh Steelers

William Jackson III, CB, Houston

Jackson is coming off a highly productive senior campaign in which he led the FBS with 28 pass breakups, and had five interceptions. He has a good frame (6-0, 189 pounds) and elite speed (4.37 40), along with the work ethic to develop into a steady corner at the next level.

26) Seattle Seahawks

Robert Nkemdiche, DT, Mississippi

This would mark Seattle's first Round 1 selection since 2012, but it could be a spot where a QB-needy team looks to trade ahead of Kansas City, Arizona and Denver. If Seattle says put, I wouldn't be surprised to see them take a shot on Nkemdiche or OLB Noah Spence, two high-risk, high-reward defenders. Nkemdiche is a top-10 talent who fell this far because of inconsistent 2015 tape and behavioral concerns.

27) Green Bay Packers

Andrew Billings, DT, Baylor

The Packers picked a good year to have one of their most glaring needs be a 3-4 nose tackle. Billings has an outstanding combination of quickness, athleticism and power, which helps him wreak havoc on the interior. He'd be a plug-and-play starter for the Packers, who are looking to find a difference-maker on the interior after B.J. Raji announced he's taking a hiatus from football.

28) Kansas City Chiefs

Artie Burns, CB, Miami (FL)

Burns' stock continues to rise. With his extremely long arms (33¼ inches) and ability to play bump-and-run coverage, he'd be a perfect fit for Bob Sutton's defense, which is in need of a corner to play opposite defensive rookie of the year Marcus Peters after Sean Smith left in free agency.

29) Arizona Cardinals

Ryan Kelly, C, Alabama

The top-ranked interior lineman on our board, Kelly has the frame, quickness, toughness and football intelligence to be a starter from day one in the NFL. There's a chance Arizona would think about drafting its QB of the future here, but center is the team's biggest need.

30) Carolina Panthers

Kevin Dodd, DE, Clemson

Yes, the Panthers suddenly have a glaring need at CB after rescinding Josh Norman's franchise tag, but with four CBs off the board, pass-rusher is a better value. Dodd has only one season of full-time starting experience, but he took advantage of his opportunity, posting 23.5 tackles for loss. That was second overall in the FBS and up from 2.5 the season before. He'd fill one of the Panthers' biggest holes and get a chance to develop along one of the most dominant defenses in the league.

31) Denver Broncos

Germain Ifedi, OT, Texas A&M

Ifedi needs to work on his technique, but the raw tools are there. He has the length (36-inch arms), quickness and balance to thrive in pass protection. He could develop into a solid right tackle or guard at the next level.

Note: There will be only 31 picks in the first round of the 2016 draft, with New England's first-round pick forfeited.

Five best players remaining

  1. Karl Joseph, S, West Virginia
  2. Vernon Butler, DT, Louisiana Tech
  3. Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame
  4. Vonn Bell, S, Ohio State
  5. Hunter Henry, TE, Arkansas


Stanley before Tunsil is kind of crazy. And Myles Jack all the way down to 17.
 
I don't want Buckner, he has bust written all over him.


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My "Stay at 8" board. Assuming QBs go 1 and 2.

1. Tunsil
2. Jack
3. Buckner
4. Elliott
5. Ramsey
6. Bosa
 
My "Stay at 8" board. Assuming QBs go 1 and 2.

1. Tunsil
2. Jack
3. Buckner
4. Elliott
5. Ramsey
6. Bosa

If Tunsil is there at 8, I have to believe they pull the trigger and accept the highest bidder for Joe Thomas. There's no pressure to move Thomas, but he should bring multiple high picks from a contender, and Tunsil should step right in at left tackle.
 
You don't like Ramsey?

I like Ramsey just fine, and would be perfectly happy if he made it to 8 and was the pick. I just happen to like the other four guys I have listed a little more.

I am probably in the minority on Elliott > Ramsey. I know all the concerns about running backs being devalued, and in most cases they are completely legitimate. I just happen to think Elliott is in the Peterson/Gurley class of truly elite RB prospect.

Then again, I also thought that about Trent Richardson at the time he was drafted, so what do I know really?
 

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