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2016 Presidential Race AND POLL

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Who do you plan to vote for in November?

  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 93 39.6%
  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 44 18.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 55 23.4%
  • I won't vote

    Votes: 43 18.3%

  • Total voters
    235
Republicans like Hickabee, aren't exactly going to win the women's vote.... But, at least he's being honest on how he really feels. I'll give him that.

Is everyone still so sure Hillary is going to win? She should be in jail... Even if she somehow escapes the email-gate, she's going to get bombed badly over it on attack ads, and how truly unqualified she is to run this country.

She's a crook, so is Jeb. Hell, I'd welcome a Trump to come out for the Republicans, almost....

I think of the Republicans I actually like Carson the most, even if he isn't a seasoned politician. Maybe this country doesn't need a politician, just a man with honest intentions, who at least surrounds himself with the right people.

If it came down to him, or the supposedly more qualified candidate in Bush, I'd choose Carson.

But money wins in politics, and Bush has it.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/huckabee-on-abortion-10-year-old-rape-victim-126844580291.html

HMMM not even in the case of the rape of a 10 year old child, nor incest rape per this line. That is pretty fucking ballsy... and makes him and anyone with that stance unelectable. Not that Huckabee had a real shot.

It's self-consistent though.

You can't be for both a Personhood Amendment to the Constitution while supporting abortion exceptions. He's also not on an island on this if we can believe what was said during the debates. Huckabee, Paul, Walker and Rubio all reject exceptions for rape and incest and were all asked about it by Megyn Kelly.
 
Republicans like Hickabee, aren't exactly going to win the women's vote.... But, at least he's being honest on how he really feels. I'll give him that.

Is everyone still so sure Hillary is going to win? She should be in jail... Even if she somehow escapes the email-gate, she's going to get bombed badly over it on attack ads, and how truly unqualified she is to run this country.

There is a 0% chance Hillary goes to jail, bro...

I agree with you though that she is corrupt.

She's a crook, so is Jeb. Hell, I'd welcome a Trump to come out for the Republicans, almost....

I think of the Republicans I actually like Carson the most, even if he isn't a seasoned politician. Maybe this country doesn't need a politician, just a man with honest intentions, who at least surrounds himself with the right people.

If it came down to him, or the supposedly more qualified candidate in Bush, I'd choose Carson.

If those were my two choices, I'd move back out of the U.S. But... hypothetically if I had to choose between the two, I'd take Bush.

But money wins in politics, and Bush has it.

Very true.
 
The data from Europe suggests the opposite is true though, natedagg. I think that's important to consider. However, I wholeheartedly agree with @MRMsix6 's point that we shouldn't have 90% of kids going to college; that's absurd. A system like Germany, that reforms education from middle school on to provide a skill/trade is a very good model.



Why do you think this? Government is often the root cause of innovation, especially in academia. When government stops spending money, the most advanced research and development programs tend to shut down.



When I was earning my masters at University of Hawaii, one of the things I did was teach undergrad students math and astronomy as an assistant instructor. To say that online education is the wave of the future, I think, ignores the fact that most people are not efficient at self-teaching and self-learning. Many people need to be coaxed, through various methods, into not only learning various skills but even to conceptualize specific problems.

I don't think you can really transition to a predominantly online educational system and expect equal or better results.



I... disagree. Call me biased, but I think math is logic and logic is the essence of structured programming and problem solving. If you are an excellent programmer, you're probably have an aptitude for math and logic. I think the reverse is also true.



Learning history is inherently memorization.



So long as literature comes first... I learned so much reading what others have said long before I was born, rather than opening my mouth and blurting out whatever I felt. High schoolers learning to debate is useful for learning critical thinking and articulation; but there should be equal time listening to the wisdom found in great works of literature.



I agree with you in general though. The way high school is structured is too oriented towards memorization solely with the goal of passing a test. That's unfortunate. Instead of teach concepts, they are teaching the skill of short-term memory retention with or without ever understanding the material.
This fuckin guy:) I can't line-by-line it, but here's a few musings:

-I am a math major, so I get that it is logic, and I agree. I always tell people it is like untying knots and that's fun - puzzles are fun - until the numbers go away and it's mostly symbols and logic. But the point is that those numbers and the high-level stuff aren't really that useful. They aren't often applied, and I envision a future where coding, the internet, and robotics are everywhere, and to make proper use of those tools, it has to start early. Really, really early.

-College is expensive because we have messed with the natural course of supply/demand via student loans. That's how I see it. The cost will gradually reverse course, unless the government interferes.

-With very few exceptions, I hear "I don't use my degree in what I am doing" and phrases about "the real world," and I agree. I think there's something critical in here, and I think it will sweep the world. As an aside, I just had my cousin and his son over for dinner, I told the son I would negotiate for him. So cousin said that he will pay for all of college in full. Awesome. These are private colleges, smart kid, smart cousin. So I told his son to figure out how long college acceptance offer is good for (or now that I think about it, he should apply for a year in the future). Figure out which courses can be taken online, through which places, and knock out a bunch of General Education requirements. Use the $ saved to travel the entire world for 1 year on your dad's dime. It's functionally the same thing: he gets 1 year of college classes paid for and he gets one year closer to completing his degree. My cousin (kid's dad) agreed. Thought it was a smart idea.

-I don't think there's any significant difference in knocking out Gen Ed courses online versus in the classroom. Need extra help? Hire a virtual tutor while you are on the beach in some random country, seeing the world, gaining experiences, and catalyzing your growth. Still saving $. Don't like online classes? Go to community college classes.

-But it comes down to this: why are you going to classes? What's the point? To prepare you for a career or to prepare you to market yourself to start a career? What else? Because career preparation for most people is some sort of 3 month to 1 year training period or studying for licenses to be able to do their job. So I think ultimately the utility of college and the dollars spent on it will have to change.
 
There is a 0% chance Hillary goes to jail, bro...

I agree with you though that she is corrupt.



If those were my two choices, I'd move back out of the U.S. But... hypothetically if I had to choose between the two, I'd take Bush.



Very true.

So should I take Bernie "The Sandman" Sanders at 15:1 to win this motherf-er or not?
 
So should I take Bernie "The Sandman" Sanders at 15:1 to win this motherf-er or not?

He's still a long-shot unfortunately; simply because many women and minorities are still so firmly in Clinton's camp. But, if he can somehow get Latinos on his side and win Nevada, along with Iowa and New Hampshire, then I think he's got a solid shot break through the illusion of inevitability that Clinton is riding to the convention.

If Biden gets into the race though, I don't agree with most pundits on the net effect. While he will mostly draw from Clinton, I think he'll also draw from the anti-Clinton vote just as much, while will prevent Sanders from getting a plurality of the vote ensuring a Clinton victory.

I don't have access to any campaign polling anymore though, so, I can't say. I do know though that the Clinton folks are spooked by a Biden run and are lobbying for him not to run; so I guess their numbers suggest he'd open the door for Sanders? Maybe due to drawing Black votes from Clinton?
 
This fuckin guy:) I can't line-by-line it, but here's a few musings:

-I am a math major, so I get that it is logic, and I agree. I always tell people it is like untying knots and that's fun - puzzles are fun - until the numbers go away and it's mostly symbols and logic. But the point is that those numbers and the high-level stuff aren't really that useful. They aren't often applied, and I envision a future where coding, the internet, and robotics are everywhere, and to make proper use of those tools, it has to start early. Really, really early.

I have a masters degree in mathematics and physics with a focus on the "theoretical" and not the applied.

These are two, completely different, schools of thought within academia and I would be pulled between both throughout my education. But simply put, you cannot have one without the other. Applied science without the prerequisite theory has nothing to engineer, and theoretical science without application has no purpose other than it's own intellectual pursuit.

With respect to robotics; the field is actually mostly dependent on theoretical sciences to advance it. We need new advances in material science, including surfaces materials and fibers, advances in battery technology, silicon wafer size and heat management, power consumption for electronic devices, etc; that are very dependent upon new technologies.

You can't simply half the science department and say, you guys get funding and you other guys don't. You need both, and you're best left with the students deciding which suits them best.

-College is expensive because we have messed with the natural course of supply/demand via student loans. That's how I see it. The cost will gradually reverse course, unless the government interferes.

This simply is not true, yet it keeps getting repeated. As many others have already stated, it is a myth to attribute college expense to government subsidization; especially when you compare costs across borders.

-With very few exceptions, I hear "I don't use my degree in what I am doing" and phrases about "the real world," and I agree. I think there's something critical in here, and I think it will sweep the world. As an aside, I just had my cousin and his son over for dinner, I told the son I would negotiate for him. So cousin said that he will pay for all of college in full. Awesome. These are private colleges, smart kid, smart cousin. So I told his son to figure out how long college acceptance offer is good for (or now that I think about it, he should apply for a year in the future). Figure out which courses can be taken online, through which places, and knock out a bunch of General Education requirements. Use the $ saved to travel the entire world for 1 year on your dad's dime. It's functionally the same thing: he gets 1 year of college classes paid for and he gets one year closer to completing his degree. My cousin (kid's dad) agreed. Thought it was a smart idea.

As a guy who taught students, I see no way to make this work across the board. Many students, perhaps most, need more structure in academia; not less. I think it's dangerous and counterproductive to take students out of classrooms and plant them in front of computer screens.

Academics should be the sole focus of students seeking 4-year degrees for the entirety of those 4-years. There's just no reason, other than exorbitant costs, that we would consider taking students out of the classroom.

-I don't think there's any significant difference in knocking out Gen Ed courses online versus in the classroom. Need extra help? Hire a virtual tutor while you are on the beach in some random country, seeing the world, gaining experiences, and catalyzing your growth. Still saving $. Don't like online classes? Go to community college classes.

Eh.. I understand how this could be a personal recipe for many students to save money. I think my argument is that college tuition should be paid for by society, thus removing the financial burden from the student; therefore, removing the need to make these kinds of decisions or requiring students to take online courses or courses at community colleges.

-But it comes down to this: why are you going to classes? What's the point? To prepare you for a career or to prepare you to market yourself to start a career? What else? Because career preparation for most people is some sort of 3 month to 1 year training period or studying for licenses to be able to do their job. So I think ultimately the utility of college and the dollars spent on it will have to change.

I think we need more college educated people, more engineers, more people who can think for themselves - critically - and are equipped to learn new skills.

I think that means we need to revamp our education system from the ground up, and take it a bit more seriously.

That means, IMHO, that we empower the Department of Education, remove the State "right" to education and create a single, federally enforceable curriculum that is internationally competitive in math, the sciences, and yes, in the arts as well.

I think it's of the utmost importance to start with K-12 education first, and then address higher education by removing the financial barriers to entry that citizens of other nations aren't burdened with. We can address costs in a different way without necessarily gutting some great college institutions.
 
I find the morality of debt interesting. If a company restructures debt which they do all the time its considered part of doing business. There is very little moral arguments about: its considered a cost of doing business.

However when it comes to individuals there is a strong moral condemnation of people who stop paying their mortgages for example. When in financial terms it is still just s business transaction: higher interest rates the poorer your credit for example. Its an interesting dichotomy

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I see it all the time. I personally feel that a mortgage is a business transaction and if you stop paying and give the house back there should be no moral stigma if you are willing to accept the penalties of credit hit and waiting period to buy again.

Then what do i know, only been in the industry 10+ years and closed 3500 mortgages.
 
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This simply is not true, yet it keeps getting repeated. As many others have already stated, it is a myth to attribute college expense to government subsidization; especially when you compare costs across borders.

Government is the wrong word but everything else is correct, the over abundance of loans out there is the issue. There is so much money in circulation and available that it affords the colleges the ability to jack the rates. The banks don't care because unlike a house or car loan they are looking to secure the loan to a depreciating asset. Instead they are loans that can never be included in a BK (currently) and many of them are guaranteed.
 
Government is the wrong word but everything else is correct, the over abundance of loans out there is the issue. There is so much money in circulation and available that it affords the colleges the ability to jack the rates. The banks don't care because unlike a house or car loan they are looking to secure the loan to a depreciating asset. Instead they are loans that can never be included in a BK (currently) and many of them are guaranteed.

I hope we get some reform in this area and it'll be interesting to see what the private sector can do with the reform. E.g. - if a student can opt to have 10% of their AGI taken for 15 years of work, can I offer them 10% for 14 years of work?

How are we going to account for student loan forgiveness with the loans that have been securitized and sold?
 
Government is the wrong word but everything else is correct, the over abundance of loans out there is the issue. There is so much money in circulation and available that it affords the colleges the ability to jack the rates. The banks don't care because unlike a house or car loan they are looking to secure the loan to a depreciating asset. Instead they are loans that can never be included in a BK (currently) and many of them are guaranteed.

I think my point is that this argument is often used and it oversimplifies the problem. There isn't any scientific consensus on the issue of what is causing this increase and this has been addressed numerous times.

This article here might better articulate the point: http://www.theatlantic.com/business...-really-making-college-more-expensive/253153/

However, my argument is that this entire question is irrelevant. My argument is that nearly all education should be fully-subsidized, not funded through corporate banks looking to profit on student loans. The very concept of getting these loans to further your education, in a world where a H.S. diploma means less and less, is astounding.

My argument is to eradicate that system entirely, not to pump it with more money and let the banks continue gouging parents and kids.
 
I think my point is that this argument is often used and it oversimplifies the problem. There isn't any scientific consensus on the issue of what is causing this increase and this has been addressed numerous times.

This article here might better articulate the point: http://www.theatlantic.com/business...-really-making-college-more-expensive/253153/

However, my argument is that this entire question is irrelevant. My argument is that nearly all education should be fully-subsidized, not funded through corporate banks looking to profit on student loans. The very concept of getting these loans to further your education, in a world where a H.S. diploma means less and less, is astounding.

My argument is to eradicate that system entirely, not to pump it with more money and let the banks continue gouging parents and kids.

I don't want to argue cause we can go back and forth and both be right, lets agree there are a lot of reasons and some we could address pretty easily to curtail some of the problems now.

What you are talking about is a long term fix that has no real end in site as we site currently. What you want is so radical (based on US standards) its it will take a lot more time to work out.

We need stop gaps in place now, short term fixes. Make them back the loans with collateral, make grades play apart, lower the rates and fix them and lock them for the life of the loan. Or simply allow them to be included in BK, the banks would fix themselves if they actually have to worry about the debts being paid.
 
There is a 0% chance Hillary goes to jail, bro...

I agree with you though that she is corrupt.

If politicians went to jail for being corrupt we'd have like two people in Congress, and that might be an optimistic number. They're all a bunch of fucking crooks.
 
This is complete bullshit its no ones fault but your own that it cost you 24k. My son is a junior at University of Texas each 15 our semester is about 4k, or less than 10k for the whole year including a summer session.

Ohio State is the same cost for residents.

My wife graduated from Cleveland State in 2007, it cost us 30k in student loans and we are paying them back.

(below is not directed at you Cavatt)

I am for some sort of functioning education system, but what about the labor force. The shortage on Welders for example.

Its funny, there are 3 junior colleges near me that you can get a process tech degree for less than 5k total (which you can get scholarships for funded by all the area refineries due to the shortage) and 2 years of your time and make 70k a year starting out.

So who is going to tell your kids no you dont have the aptitude for college but you can go do this....

I guess I am GenX? I just want both side to stop fucking whining use some common freaking sense and make it work.


It's been referred to in other places, but Texas has a really cheap very good state school system that is again, highly subsidized. If you think you got that cheap education because that is how much it costs in Texas, you are unfortunately wrong. I went to UT too. Luckily my one year of college costing me 24k was all I had to pay because of scholarships. If I had to pay that tuition in full, I couldn't have attended that caliber of school. Some people do, and I am not sure they understand what they are getting themselves into.

Debt and a new car are things people love love love. And it is great for all the companies that make money off those guys for the rest of their lives.

I don't owe anyone a cent, and I have never driven a brand new car, but I am way ahead of a lot of my fellow college grads. As things sit now though, I may never own a home as they start around 580k here in northern Cali.
 

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