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2019 NBA Draft

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MY CAVS BIG BOARD WITH A COUPLE OF FAST RISERS INTO THE TOP 10
1. ZION WILLIAMSON
2 RJ BARRETT
3 OCHAI AGBAJI
4 JA MORANT
5 JARET CULVER
6 NAS LITTLE
7 KEVIN PORTER
8 CAM REDDISH
9 JAXSON HAYES
10 TALEN HORTON-TUCKER

Ok, you have to admit Agbaji is *at least* as much of a reach as Jones in the top-5 :chuckle:
 
That's true, but I'm drawing a distinction between efficient 3rd-option guys like Conley and inefficient 3rd-option guys like Reddish. Conley was a very efficient passer/scorer by PG standards. Reddish has not been very efficient for a 3rd-option wing, which suggests to me that he may not be capable of taking on more of a leading role in an offense.

Yeah that makes sense. Maybe not the best example, but there are more of those out there.

I think what we are likely to see in this draft is that there are going to be more guys outside the top 3 that are going to turn into great or really good players. It always seems to happen when people say it's weak. Guys turn up in the teens that are somehow easily able to overcome their weaknesses or physical limitations or just operate better in the NBA game.

Zion might be a lock to be good, but I think one or both of RJ and Morant will be disappointing and someone no one saw coming will be really good. I think there i s a good chance with all of these wings.
 
Ok, you have to admit Agbaji is *at least* as much of a reach as Jones in the top-5 :chuckle:

I’m not ashamed to admit that I follow this pretty closely and had no clue who he was. :conf (11):

That’s not to say he isn’t any good, I just haven’t heard anyone talk about him.
 
I’m not ashamed to admit that I follow this pretty closely and had no clue who he was. :conf (11):

That’s not to say he isn’t any good, I just haven’t heard anyone talk about him.

Yeah, I've been trolled lol :chuckle:
 
Cam Reddish.

If we miss out on Zion I think he would fit nicely between Sexton and Cedi. His shooting form just seems much better than Barrett's to me. And he's a willing defender with good size.
 
Duke fucking won? Holy shit. I gave up on that game.
 
Louisville totally shit themselves when Duke brought full court pressure. It was like a car accident, I couldn’t turn away.

Car accident is being nice. It was similar to the first time a defense saw the forward pass in football. That was so embarrassing by Louisville.
 
Zion, Reddish, and Jones showed some of their weaknesses, but used their strengths to bring Duke back in the end. Really fun game.

Oh yeah, Barrett...he kinda sucked. Worried about him. Not sure he holds off Morant for #2...
 
ESPN just dropped a new mock.
1. Zion
2. RJ
3. Morant
4. Reddish
5. Langford
6. Garland
7. Little
8. Culver
9. Hunter
10. Doumbouya
11. Hayes

17. PJ Washington
18. KZ Okpala
19. Brandon Clarke
20. Kevin Porter Jr

22. Goga Bitadze
23. Grant Williams
24. Tre Jones
25. Coby White

Not a whole ton else notable. Fair bit of shuffling in the second round as far as adding in new guys.

My biggest takeaway is that I have no idea how Kevin Porter isn't considered a consensus top 10 guy in this draft. They usually have write-ups on the biggest movers in their mocks, and they did expound on Porter... but didn't add anything new in regards to off the court intel causing the drop in ranking. Just the worse play of late. His pure talent is about as good as anyone in this draft not named Zion, and in THIS class I don't see how a team wouldn't want to take a gamble with him higher up in the draft.

Another takeaway I had is Coby White still being all the way down at 25 despite his play of late. I thought for sure he'd be close to a late lottery guy on their newest mock, but he's still hanging in the back half of the second round. I like him a lot, and still don't expect him to be there... he's undersized for a 2 (where I think he should play), but can defend PGs reasonably well. You could find worse fits next to Sexton, but the Cavs would probably have one of the smallest backcourts in the league if they started him with Collin. I also expect their first draft pick to somewhat dictate what position they'd target with the Houston pick, despite needing help at just about every position.

He wasn't ranked because he's more of a 2020 guy, but they also had a nice write up on DePaul's Paul Reed - whom I mentioned like a week ago in here as a guy I liked.

Relatively anonymous upon committing to DePaul out of high school, Reed has exploded against Big East competition this season, looking like one of the most improved players in the country. He has firmly established himself as a NBA prospect thanks to not only his impressive productivity but also his outstanding physical tools and budding versatility.

Standing 6-foot-9 with a long wingspan, a frame that should fill out in time and good athletic ability, Reed has a nice framework for a power forward prospect. He has a pretty long leash at DePaul to try different things offensively, which has likely contributed to his rapid development. You regularly see him grabbing and going off the defensive glass, taking open jumpers and creating his own shot with long strides and rangy footwork. He's not the most polished player -- his decision-making and overall feel can look a little shaky at times -- but it's tough not to be impressed with his productivity. He's also making 95 percent of his free throw attempts in conference play.

Reed's mobility, length and instincts really shine through on the defensive end, as he's often tasked with defending guards and wings. He shows impressive ability to cover ground, slide his feet and contest shots on the perimeter. The next step for him will be to improve his awareness and focus. He isn't always consistent on defense, which is surprising considering his excellent rebounding numbers.

Reed has done a nice job of putting himself on the NBA radar and could be on the verge of emerging as a potential first-round prospect in 2020 if he has a good summer in the weight room, continues to improve his shooting range and is able to help DePaul win some games.
 
ESPN just dropped a new mock.
1. Zion
2. RJ
3. Morant
4. Reddish
5. Langford
6. Garland
7. Little
8. Culver
9. Hunter
10. Doumbouya
11. Hayes

17. PJ Washington
18. KZ Okpala
19. Brandon Clarke
20. Kevin Porter Jr

22. Goga Bitadze
23. Grant Williams
24. Tre Jones
25. Coby White

Not a whole ton else notable. Fair bit of shuffling in the second round as far as adding in new guys.

My biggest takeaway is that I have no idea how Kevin Porter isn't considered a consensus top 10 guy in this draft. They usually have write-ups on the biggest movers in their mocks, and they did expound on Porter... but didn't add anything new in regards to off the court intel causing the drop in ranking. Just the worse play of late. His pure talent is about as good as anyone in this draft not named Zion, and in THIS class I don't see how a team wouldn't want to take a gamble with him higher up in the draft.

Another takeaway I had is Coby White still being all the way down at 25 despite his play of late. I thought for sure he'd be close to a late lottery guy on their newest mock, but he's still hanging in the back half of the second round. I like him a lot, and still don't expect him to be there... he's undersized for a 2 (where I think he should play), but can defend PGs reasonably well. You could find worse fits next to Sexton, but the Cavs would probably have one of the smallest backcourts in the league if they started him with Collin. I also expect their first draft pick to somewhat dictate what position they'd target with the Houston pick, despite needing help at just about every position.

He wasn't ranked because he's more of a 2020 guy, but they also had a nice write up on DePaul's Paul Reed - whom I mentioned like a week ago in here as a guy I liked.

Relatively anonymous upon committing to DePaul out of high school, Reed has exploded against Big East competition this season, looking like one of the most improved players in the country. He has firmly established himself as a NBA prospect thanks to not only his impressive productivity but also his outstanding physical tools and budding versatility.

Standing 6-foot-9 with a long wingspan, a frame that should fill out in time and good athletic ability, Reed has a nice framework for a power forward prospect. He has a pretty long leash at DePaul to try different things offensively, which has likely contributed to his rapid development. You regularly see him grabbing and going off the defensive glass, taking open jumpers and creating his own shot with long strides and rangy footwork. He's not the most polished player -- his decision-making and overall feel can look a little shaky at times -- but it's tough not to be impressed with his productivity. He's also making 95 percent of his free throw attempts in conference play.

Reed's mobility, length and instincts really shine through on the defensive end, as he's often tasked with defending guards and wings. He shows impressive ability to cover ground, slide his feet and contest shots on the perimeter. The next step for him will be to improve his awareness and focus. He isn't always consistent on defense, which is surprising considering his excellent rebounding numbers.

Reed has done a nice job of putting himself on the NBA radar and could be on the verge of emerging as a potential first-round prospect in 2020 if he has a good summer in the weight room, continues to improve his shooting range and is able to help DePaul win some games.

8/9/10/11, 17/18/19/20, or 22/23/24/25

Which is the best 4-man lineup in four years?
 
Since #1 involves even more luck than in previous seasons, I'm just hoping for top 3.

I think Zion, RJ & Morant all have all-star ceilings, and if Reddish continues his uptick and has a solid tourney, he is very close as well.

5 or worse would be devastating, if that happens, I'd be looking to trade down and pick up some assets.
Problem is this is not the nfl. I don’t know how many teams will be willing to give up future ones to move up to 5, when there is a real drop off like this year. Plus you trade down to low and you are looking at a raw project that has an even larger bust potential, or a guy that is just good enough to scratch a rotation. That is a pretty depressing prize for losing 60 games or more.

I think Dan would be much more likely to mortgage the future to move up knowing how much he operates. You won’t get up to 1, but you could possibly move up to 4 and 3 if you give up future draft picks. Not saying I would do that, but I can see Dan making that decision .
 

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