Discussion in 'Browns Talk' started by Smooth, Apr 28, 2012.
NFL.com had this guy with a grade of 84. Seems like a nice late pickup.
32 1/2" Arm Length
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Winn has been a force up front for Boise State for several years. His consistency and ferociousness stays in your memory after watching him play. Although he isn't necessarily great with any one skill or talent, he grades out well because the whole is definitely greater than the sum of his parts. There are hitches in his play that he will need to work on to survive at the next level, such as using technique and adapting to the play speed, but once done Winn should excel. Expect him to be taken near the top of the second round by a team that knows it will be receiving a high-effort, high-energy player to roam along its front four.
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Winn has size for the position, which when paired with his speed makes him a force in the interior for offensive lines. He gets off the ball and into offensive linemen quickly. He can uncoil his hips to create a significant push and shock blockers back into the backfield. He is strong with his hands and can hold up blocks to read a play and shed them to get free and get to the ball carrier. He uses his hands well to disengage and shed would-be blockers away from his frame. Once he reaches the ball carrier, he is an effective tackler. Winn is an active interior defender who can keep off blocks and stay active in the pass and run defense alike. </article> <article> Weaknesses
Winn has been a productive player who shows speed and very few negative points in terms of skill set while playing within the Western Athletic Conference. If anything, teams could take a long look at his competition to see if his skills will translate, but he has excelled against stronger non-conference competition as well. Winn can struggle to get off blocks at times when engaged by a double team. He tries to overcome this by using his initial quickness off the line, but when bigger linemen get their hands on him in protection he can be slow to disengage. He is known to take a play off occasionally and can be unpredictable when it comes to following schemes.
Having someone named Winn does not mean we win.
also interesting nfl.com gave him an 84.0 grade (John Hughes has 48.2)
Let's not rule it out though.
Let's just pretend we drafted them in the other's spot.
good short video about Winn... expected 2nd round? steal...
How did we get Winn and Miller, guys expected to go in the first 3 rounds, so damn late?
Great picks in the 3rd day! Hughes was a bit of a head scratcher and I'm not sure about Benjamin, but some great value picks this late in the draft
Yeah well just pretend we got this guy in the 3rd and Hughes in the 6th.
Smooth analysis: Winn is a really talented player who fell due to concerns over his on-field motor and work ethic.. Has the talent to be a Day 2 pick and played like it early on in the season but his play fell off and he also didn't do himself any favors with his Senior Bowl performance/weigh-in... He's been listed as a DE by some services because of the various places he played on Boise State's defense and his pass-rush ability.. But he will be a DT in the NFL that will carry value because of his quickness and get-off... He will have value in pass-rushing situations because of that as well...
The Browns got a really good value here, especially since their lack of depth at the DT spot and lack of quick, pass-rushing DTs... Taylor and Rubin got a good amount of sacks last year but I've been harping for a disruptive change-of-pace DT like Winn for a little bit now... The Browns need more than just run-pluggers up-front... Someone who can push the pocket from the middle like Winn can is very valuable... Even more so I'm just glad they increased the depth along the defensive line where it was very thin behind the starters last year...
Winn is proof that just because Draft experts rank a guy high in the draft doesn't mean the NFL scouts agree.
This is the counter to a guy like John Hughes, who was rated much lower by the experts, but obviously Heckert had him rated much higher. There is no way of knowing whether Hughes was rated as a late 3rd/ 4th round team by another franchise only because the Browns were the team that landed him. I know the argument has been beaten to death, but mock drafts give us a rough understanding of different players' relative values, but it is by no means conclusive or accurate.
Outside of Spins, I don't think Heckert has "missed" on anyone drafted in the past 3 years. Some people will argue McCoy, but you can't seriously expect to get a franchise QB at the end of the third round. McCoy as a backup would be solid. It's a shame we didn't have someone solid to put him behind because Delhomme sucked / got injured right away.