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#8: Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State University

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Wow. Obviously Manziel's maturity issues are well-documented.

But I thought Gilbert seemed like a solid kid for the most part.

No wonder he hasn't improved. Pretty telling for vets on a team to just destroy a teammate in the media.

Also pretty telling when Desir is ahead of you in the rotation.
 
Apparently Dansby isn't done with Gilbert... absolutely ROASTED him in an interview with MKC. Johnny too.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/ind...nz.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

BEREA, Ohio -- Browns linebacker Karlos Dansby said first-round picks Johnny Manziel and Justin Gilbert both wasted their first seasons and better get it together in a hurry or they'll be gone.

"When you're a first-round pick, you've got to c'mon, man'' said Dansby. "They've got to reset their goals and they've got to do it fast.''

He agreed with safety Donte Whitner that Gilbert wasted his rookie season by not working hard enough and said Manziel obviously feels he wasted his by not putting in the time.

"There's so much (Gilbert) could've done better and he didn't put forth the effort,'' said Dansby. "So yeah, it's a wasted year.

"Like Johnny said the same thing, it's a wasted year for him. That's how he feels. He's like 'damn, I've got to take this more seriously. I've wasted all this time.' That's basically what he's saying. So it's like 'don't waste your time man, because it's precious bro. You never know when you're going to be done. You're one play away from never playing this game again.'''

Dansby said he was surprised to hear Manziel publicly admit Tuesday that he has to take it more seriously because this is his job now.

"When did you figure that out?'' said Dansby. "When I saw the statement, I was like 'hold on, so what are you saying?' But that's the thing with a lot of rookies these days. Their only goal is to get into the NFL. They want the glam and the flash but they're not willing to put in the grind and the work and the time in order to be great. They want it to just fall in their lap and it doesn't happen like that.''

Dansby rattled off a list of first round picks, especially quarterbacks, that flamed out quickly after only a few years, the Matt Leinarts and Ryan Leafs and Tim Tebows.

"The list goes on and on,'' said Dansby. "All of a sudden, it's your second year, third year, fourth year and then you're gone. There's no time to waste. You can't take a day off. You've really got to put in some work and now they understand that. It's a job, this is work.''

Dansby said he and Whitner have taken it upon themselves to bring out the greatness in Gilbert, the Browns' No. 8 overall pick.

"You've got to live up to expectations and you've got to play up to expectations and that's what we expect of him,'' said Dansby. "It's a learning curve for him and we all understand that, but at some point the switch has to turn on and you've got to go for it and we haven't seen him just go for it and do it on a consistent basis.''

He said Gilbert hasn't shown the willingness in any facet of his preparation.

"He needs to step up to the plate in practice, meetings, everything,'' he said. "Being a pro, it takes a lot. It's a lot of stress, a lot of pressure. We're trying to teach him. But he's got to want it for himself. If you don't want it for yourself, you'll be average, and we know the potential that he has.

"You see it and we want him to go, put your head down and go. Be the guy that we know you can be. We see it, he'll show a flash here and there, just do it on a consistent basis.''

He said he's played with some of the best cornerbacks in the NFL and he knows what they do to be great.

"I've played with Patrick Peterson, Vontae Davis, Sean Smith, Joe Haden and they do it on a consistent basis,'' he said. "They study film. They know what the hell's going on. They know their role, their position, how they're supposed to play their technique. They got it down pat and they're working on it day in and day out all the time. They want to be the best, every last one of them.''

He said the Browns have used "tough love'' on Gilbert all year because coddling doesn't work in the NFL.

"You can't babysit nobody,'' he said. "This is a grown man's game, so we have to give him that tough love because we know he's got it in him. Somehow, someway we have to pull it up out of him. If it's ticking him off, then we have to tick him off.

"We've got to strike that nerve in him to make him take his game to the next level because we know he's got it in him. We see it.''

He said he's seen plenty of guys turn it around after a rocky start.

"That first year is going to be rough as hell,'' he said. "Once it clicks in that second year, I've seen guys take off and never look back.''

Whitner said Gilbert didn't say anything to him about him telling him publicly to stop acting like a kid.

"No, because it's the truth,'' he said. "He understands that. We're going to move forward. We need him to be that fourth or fifth guy in the secondary that can go out there and make plays that we can rely on. He's going to work on it and he's going to become that guy. He understands now. He's been able to go through a full season with us. he wants to be a great player, hopefully he can act on that.''

Like coach Mike Pettine, Whitner believes the Oklahoma State product has the talent to succeed.

"It's all about mindset in this league. he has all the physical ability in the world. take the job seriously? are you very detail-oriendted. just come with right mindset day in, day out, he'll be ok.''

Said Joe Haden, who just made his second straight Pro Bowl: "Everybody has their bumps in the road as a rookie. I know I did. It's just making sure you have to be very, very professional. It's a business at end of day and you have to realize that. It's not like college football, high school football. You've got to be able to be mature enough to start making all your meetings and just making everything you need to be to. He's starting to really learn that. He's starting to get better at it, it just takes a little time. I did the same thing. he's going to be all right.''

If he ends up being the "4th best guy in the secondary" after Gipson/Haden/Whitner and it's close, then that's not bad.

A lot of people in the comments in that link seemed to misread it as "need him to be that 4th or 5th best corner," which is in fact where he is at now, and is not a good expectation for someone drafted so high.

I think Whitner/Haden sugarcoated things a little too much, but it's understandable.
 
ill be honest, I still expect gilbert to turn things around. i think getting called out will be good for him. It seems to me that he obviously needs to work on things, but the vets wouldnt be trying to get him to step up if they didnt think he wasnt capable of it.

i just hope he puts in the effort over the offseason
 
So both of the Browns first round picks have work ethic issues.

Terrific...
 
Almost every other personnel move was solid. GM's make their bones on the mid-round picks and UDFAs, but missing on first rounders just makes it that much harder.

It's awesome grabbing first day guys like Bitonio and identifying late or undrafted talent like Crowell and Gabriel, nailing FA with Dansby, Whitner and Hawkins, but you make it so much easier on yourself when you have the opportunity to grab elite talent twice in the first round. You can just get better so much faster if you can grab a freak bull-rusher early or elite WR late first.
 
Wow. Obviously Manziel's maturity issues are well-documented.

But I thought Gilbert seemed like a solid kid for the most part.

No wonder he hasn't improved. Pretty telling for vets on a team to just destroy a teammate in the media.

Also pretty telling when Desir is ahead of you in the rotation.

Two things. 1) Desir has the ability to be a very good corner. Doesn't matter where he was picked and; 2) It's a good thing Gilbert will have the chance/support to straighten out.

Make no mistake, Dansby and Whitner got the directive, plus talking points, from Pettine. IMO.

So both of the Browns first round picks have work ethic issues.

Terrific...

No dancing around how dismal the first round was for Farmer this year. It's probably the only thing I really am disappointed with. I like his demeanor, his UDFA signings and the way he's helped promote competition at most positions.
 
Dansby didn't pull any punches did he? I like it. I'm sure they are on him in private and on the practice field and they feel it hasn't worked enough. Going public seems like the next step to wake these guys up.
 
Still think Gilbert can turn things around. He has the talent, just needs to mature. I actually give it good odds that he gets things turned around.

Love love love what Whitner & Dansby have brought to this team. Their leadership has been better than advertised.

Honestly, think of how sick our secondary could be next season with:

Haden: One of the best CB's in the game who took a huge leap this season
Gilbert: Very promising with a ton of talent who just needs to get his head on straight.
Whitner: Hard hitting safety who seems to be in on almost every play
Gipson*: Ball hawking safety who seems to be everywhere on the field & has a nose for the ball
Williams: Very good nickel guy who's capable of making a big play & showed a lot of promise as a cover guy

Add in very solid guys like Bademosi* & Skrine* (who took some strides this season), and other promising youngsters like Desir & Poyer, and the secondary is looking very promising. And you know we'll be looking to add even more depth as well.

*FA after this season
 
I'm so fucking done with these guys. Time to trade all of them, even if it means rebuilding again, totally worth it.
 
Worst first round ever.

At least Weeden showed up for meetings.
 

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