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The only way to trade for the number one would be to give up Kyrie. And we're not doing that.

Our only chance is hitting lightening in the bottle twice, and getting the number 1 on lottery night. Send Nick and Kyrie, and pray for the best. That's our only shot.
 
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I don't understand why we continue to argue about top 3 talent. We aren't getting a top 3 pick.

The Clippers pick gave us the least likely chance to get a top-3, and it ended up being number 1.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but ironically I think our pick is in the exact same place as that pick last year. It's a long shot, but it's a shot.
 
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Gonna say something that people will hate, but that's ok.

If I were Chris Grant, I'd offer Kyrie Irving straight up for the number 1 pick (and only Kyrie, wouldn't throw in a pick or anything). The reason is this: Centers are so rare and valuable that when a chance comes along to snatch up a true franchise C, you have to take it. Furthermore, as good as Kyrie can be, I think Davis can be better.

Now is it a risk? Sure. But I think it's the same type of risk the Colts just took by releasing Peyton Manning with the plan of drafting Andrew Luck. Luck LOOKS like a can't miss prospect, but he can still miss.

That said, Grant will never do this and even if he did I'm not thinking there are to many teams that would take the deal anyway. Only way is if a team that already has a franchise C gets the number 1 pick. But, that team doesn't exist so I don't see a team trading away that pick, even for Kyrie Irving.

Take this guys advice:

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The Clippers pick gave us the least likely chance to get a top-3, and it ended up being number 1.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but ironically I think our pick is in the exact same place as that pick last year. It's a long shot, but it's a shot.

Lightning isnt going to strike two years in a row. Its possible, but its so unlikely that we should spend our time talking about players we ACTUALLY have a chance of drafting. If we get lucky again, great! But its VERY likely not to happen.
 
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The only way to trade for the number one would be to give up Kyrie. And we're not doing that.

Our only chance is hitting lightening in the bottle twice, and getting the number 1 on lottery night. Send Nick and Kyrie, and pray for the best. That's our only shot.

And Joe Haden/Cribbs
 
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Gonna say something that people will hate, but that's ok.

If I were Chris Grant, I'd offer Kyrie Irving straight up for the number 1 pick (and only Kyrie, wouldn't throw in a pick or anything). The reason is this: Centers are so rare and valuable that when a chance comes along to snatch up a true franchise C, you have to take it. Furthermore, as good as Kyrie can be, I think Davis can be better.

Now is it a risk? Sure. But I think it's the same type of risk the Colts just took by releasing Peyton Manning with the plan of drafting Andrew Luck. Luck LOOKS like a can't miss prospect, but he can still miss.

That said, Grant will never do this and even if he did I'm not thinking there are to many teams that would take the deal anyway. Only way is if a team that already has a franchise C gets the number 1 pick. But, that team doesn't exist so I don't see a team trading away that pick, even for Kyrie Irving.


I don't care if Davis is projected to be Tim Duncan, Shaq, and Bill Russell all rolled up into one.

Hell no! Something like that would make me never want to watch the Cavs again.

You don't draft this kid number one, have him do everything he's doing for the team, city, and community. And then stick a shiv into his back, and show him the door like that.

That's so LeBron James-esque.

If the Cavs did that, I promise you no player would ever want to come here. We'd prove to be very unstable, unpredictable, and very disrespectful toward our own players.
 
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Gonna say something that people will hate, but that's ok.

If I were Chris Grant, I'd offer Kyrie Irving straight up for the number 1 pick (and only Kyrie, wouldn't throw in a pick or anything). The reason is this: Centers are so rare and valuable that when a chance comes along to snatch up a true franchise C, you have to take it. Furthermore, as good as Kyrie can be, I think Davis can be better.

Now is it a risk? Sure. But I think it's the same type of risk the Colts just took by releasing Peyton Manning with the plan of drafting Andrew Luck. Luck LOOKS like a can't miss prospect, but he can still miss.

That said, Grant will never do this and even if he did I'm not thinking there are to many teams that would take the deal anyway. Only way is if a team that already has a franchise C gets the number 1 pick. But, that team doesn't exist so I don't see a team trading away that pick, even for Kyrie Irving.

Reading this post made me cry. Just the thought of Kyrie not in a Cavs uniform..
 
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Gonna say something that people will hate, but that's ok.

If I were Chris Grant, I'd offer Kyrie Irving straight up for the number 1 pick (and only Kyrie, wouldn't throw in a pick or anything). The reason is this: Centers are so rare and valuable that when a chance comes along to snatch up a true franchise C, you have to take it. Furthermore, as good as Kyrie can be, I think Davis can be better.

Now is it a risk? Sure. But I think it's the same type of risk the Colts just took by releasing Peyton Manning with the plan of drafting Andrew Luck. Luck LOOKS like a can't miss prospect, but he can still miss.

That said, Grant will never do this and even if he did I'm not thinking there are to many teams that would take the deal anyway. Only way is if a team that already has a franchise C gets the number 1 pick. But, that team doesn't exist so I don't see a team trading away that pick, even for Kyrie Irving.

Yeah, I'll take this opportunity to vehemently disagree with you.

First, Kyrie Irving is 20 years old, he's a rookie. He's not a 10+ year veteran, nearing the end of his career, coming off of neck fusion surgery.

In terms of prospect lore, Anthony Davis isn't close to Andrew Luck. First, he's projected as a Power Forward. I'm not saying it's impossible he'll be a long-term Center, but currently, he's a power forward. While showing great ability to play defense, NBA defense is extremely different than what they play in college. I'm not saying he won't be an excellent defender at the next level, I just think his defensive abilities are being romanticized a bit. Multiple DPOY? Can I watch him guard a Rose/Boozer pick and roll a few times first? For him to develop into a truly great defender, he's going to have to find himself in the right situation, with the right coach, just like any other all-time great defender.

Offensively, he has tools. He has the skill-set and the size. But we don't know if he has the natural offensive flow you'd expect from a "future superstar". It will be 3-5 years before you know if he has that ability. He's a freshman in college. There is a level of unknown there that is no longer there for Andrew Luck, or Kyrie Irving.

I am trying to be careful, while not wanting to diminish Davis as a prospect, I don't think you can realistically compare him to Luck as a prospect, nevermind the cross-sport issues.

Bringing Irving into the equation, he has shown elite offensive ability consistently against elite competition. He showed extreme dominance in his short college career, something that Davis hasn't really matched(he's been awesome, but has not displayed the effortless dominance that Kyrie displayed at Duke.) If you extrapolated Irving's 11 college games into a full season and matched it against Davis' production at Kentucky, considering all normal factors scouts consider, I think that most rational scouts would put Kyrie above Davis, a full tier above him, in-fact.

Add to that the fact that Kyrie is already an infinitely more proven commodity(sometimes people say this negatively to try and diminish performance in the interest of potential). When I say that, I also mean he is a more proven commodity than Davis relative to measuring both of them against superstars.

I just cannot find any string of logic to be able to agree to trade Kyrie Irving in any scenario at the moment.

That being said, Davis is the clear-cut #1 for a reason. He has the size, skill, and tools. He's shown enough to the point where it's no longer a question of if he will be a good pro, the question now turns to how good. I don't think he's a lock to be an elite defender and dominant scorer, but I think he's pretty likely to be really good at one and pretty damned good at the other. I'm not convinced he is a lock to be an offensive force yet, but he at least has a chance, which is often all you can ask for with most young big-men.
 
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Gonna say something that people will hate, but that's ok.

If I were Chris Grant, I'd offer Kyrie Irving straight up for the number 1 pick (and only Kyrie, wouldn't throw in a pick or anything). The reason is this: Centers are so rare and valuable that when a chance comes along to snatch up a true franchise C, you have to take it. Furthermore, as good as Kyrie can be, I think Davis can be better.

Now is it a risk? Sure. But I think it's the same type of risk the Colts just took by releasing Peyton Manning with the plan of drafting Andrew Luck. Luck LOOKS like a can't miss prospect, but he can still miss.

That said, Grant will never do this and even if he did I'm not thinking there are to many teams that would take the deal anyway. Only way is if a team that already has a franchise C gets the number 1 pick. But, that team doesn't exist so I don't see a team trading away that pick, even for Kyrie Irving.

While I am not sure I'd have the nerve to do it, reality is that in the past 20 years exactly ZERO teams have won an NBA title with the best player on their team being a point guard. Stretch it back 30 years, and only the Pistons w/ Isiah Thomas would qualify as that (Magic was a small forward playing point for the Lakers so he doesn't count).

I love Kyrie's game alot, but if the goal is to win a title around here history tells us the chances are miniscule if he continues to be the best player on the team as a smallish point.

When push comes to shove, elite wing players and bigs are more important to winning a title than PG history has shown us.

I don't think I would trade Kyrie, but I also have my eyes wide open about this and we aren't winning a title without an elite Big man or scoring wing as our #1 option. As long as Kyrie is the best player on this team, history tells us our chances are extremely slim of ever hoping to win an NBA title.
 
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Gonna say something that people will hate, but that's ok.

If I were Chris Grant, I'd offer Kyrie Irving straight up for the number 1 pick (and only Kyrie, wouldn't throw in a pick or anything).
Kyrie Irving straight up for the #1? That's IT?

Who in their right mind would want a proven star for an unproven prospect?

Come on, let's try to be reasonable here...
 
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While I am not sure I'd have the nerve to do it, reality is that in the past 20 years exactly ZERO teams have won an NBA title with the best player on their team being a point guard. Stretch it back 30 years, and only the Pistons w/ Isiah Thomas would qualify as that (Magic was a small forward playing point for the Lakers so he doesn't count).

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the '03-'04 Pistons beg to differ.
 
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but the '03-'04 Pistons beg to differ.

I also think its funny that Magic Johnson "doesn't count"

To be honest, I dont think it matters who your best player is. You just need to have certain components and an elite ball handler is definitely one of them.
 
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I also think its funny that Magic Johnson "doesn't count"

To be honest, I dont think it matters who your best player is. You just need to have certain components and an elite ball handler is definitely one of them.

I'm sure Billups "doesn't count" either. Anyone who would trade Kyrie for the number one pick is out of their mind in my opinion. And I definitely disagree with the people who say we can't win a championship with him as our best player. With what he's shown as a rookie, who knows, we may be hard pressed to find someone better!
 
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but the '03-'04 Pistons beg to differ.

Could probably add the Spurs to that list as well?
 
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Could probably add the Spurs to that list as well?

Hard to say with Duncan, but it's close. Either way his point has been disproved :king:
 

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