A Look Inside the Dysfunction of the Cleveland Browns

[Ohio]

Not sure why this is even news, honestly. Most of this stuff we've known about for a long time. Was every little detail in the story true? Probably not. We are talking about disgruntled ex-employees that sucked at their job and are looking for excuses.

But the bottom line is what we've known for awhile now. That Haslam is a scumbag and a shitty owner that hired shitty people for years and thus the organization was a complete disaster. Whether every little detail in this story is 100% accurate or not doesn't really change the bottom line.

Unfortunate that this hit piece comes out after it appears the Browns are finally headed in the right direction, hopefully it doesn't affect our progress.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I'm kind-of shocked by the skeptics here. It isn't like the other franchises/owners can't see what is going on and, moreover, it's not unusual for ex-staff to share these types of experiences with people who've also done it before.

A vast majority of this stuff was reported on previously; this is the first time all of this has been chronicled in one article with excruciating detail. They even alluded to the "hush hush" situation resulting in the need for league-mandated Sexual Harassment training (looking at Scheiner). There were some new bits; I didn't know the draft room was a sponsor perk and that the team went and interviewed Presti, Epstein, etc.

But...what's the goal in rehashing all that shit now? As you said, the vast majority of it isn't even news. Regurgitating often questionable stories that are years old about people who are gone, simply to make the organization look bad at a time where everything is looking better than it has in decades?

It is so clearly that scumbag Hue Jackson simply continuing to play the victim and blaming everyone else for his failings. It wasn't enough for him to be the shittiest coach in franchise history - he's got to keep trying to damage the franchise even after he's gone.

The more people give weight to articles like this, the more Hue Jackson wins.

 

[Soda]

Unfortunate that this hit piece comes out after it appears the Browns are finally headed in the right direction, hopefully it doesn't affect our progress.

I think the timing is actually good because it serves as a cautionary tale. Many Browns fans are already expecting playoffs next year; Wickersham is reminding us that all isn't necessarily settled and/or solved.

 

[Soda]

But...what's the goal in rehashing all that shit now? As you said, the vast majority of it isn't even news. Regurgitating often questionable stories that are years old about people who are gone, simply to make the organization look bad at a time where everything is looking better than it has in decades?

It is so clearly that scumbag Hue Jackson simply continuing to play the victim and blaming everyone else for his failings. It wasn't enough for him to be the shittiest coach in franchise history - he's got to keep trying to damage the franchise even after he's gone.

The more people give weight to articles like this, the more Hue Jackson wins.

I didn't get the impression that this reflects well upon Hue at all. I don't see the issues as zero-sum; Haslam can be a fickle owner while Hue is also a horrible head coach. It's a cautionary tale, to me. I honestly hope Jimmy/Dee read this and can recognize everyone's perspective outside their office.

 

[red.]

Believe 100%.

Jimmy Haslam is a piece of shit crook.

And that Obama nickname for Sashi was disgusting.

I doubt Haslam has learned his lesson with meddling. Only time will tell.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

In fairness, Sean McDermott isn't exactly lighting the world on fire in Buffalo

I think hes probably a top 10 head coach. He won about 5 more games than he should have this year

 

[Cassity14]

But...what's the goal in rehashing all that shit now? As you said, the vast majority of it isn't even news. Regurgitating often questionable stories that are years old about people who are gone, simply to make the organization look bad at a time where everything is looking better than it has in decades?

It is so clearly that scumbag Hue Jackson simply continuing to play the victim and blaming everyone else for his failings. It wasn't enough for him to be the shittiest coach in franchise history - he's got to keep trying to damage the franchise even after he's gone.

The more people give weight to articles like this, the more Hue Jackson wins.

The people living in Cleveland have heard all of this, but it's a national story. I don't agree with your last line either - the article didn't put Hue in a good light whatsoever.

The Browns appear to be turning a corner, so in the writer's mind, the story of incompetence that's defined Jimmy's ownership to this point could be over, and thus, ready to be told.

I really enjoyed reading it.

 

[AZ_]

But...what's the goal in rehashing all that shit now? As you said, the vast majority of it isn't even news. Regurgitating often questionable stories that are years old about people who are gone, simply to make the organization look bad at a time where everything is looking better than it has in decades?

It is so clearly that scumbag Hue Jackson simply continuing to play the victim and blaming everyone else for his failings. It wasn't enough for him to be the shittiest coach in franchise history - he's got to keep trying to damage the franchise even after he's gone.

The more people give weight to articles like this, the more Hue Jackson wins.

Informing the public to this clusterfuck of a franchise is the purpose. Its absolutely newsworthy and informative, with a number of behind the scenes takes from the dozens of people he interviewed.

We may not like it, but its absolutely news.

I don't really understand the Hue Jackson angle at all. He comes off terrible, and the only losers here are the obvious.

The Haslams and the fans of Cleveland who have had to endure such horrendous leadership for years.

 

[Real Deal]

Absolutely don't fucking care about this shit.

We have Baker Mayfield, and he's turning this shit around without giving a single fuck about Hue, ESPN, Wickersham, Farmer, Silver, Obama, I don't give a fuck, he don't give a fuck, you shouldn't give a fuck, fuck em all.

They wanna tear us down faster than we're rebuilding blocks to the sky.

The guy that wrote this story watches porn every night using an incognito tab, fuck him.

 

[CommD]

Haslam buffoonery aside, the key dynamic going forward is whether Kitchen was hired by Dorsey because he was indeed the best choice for head coach to facilitate winning, or whether he was the choice that would best allow Dorsey to consolidate power, i.e forstall the introduction of another dominant personality into the mix who might threaten his position (as what apparently happened in KC).

 

[Selby]

Maybe the Browns figured watching porn would help them win games. They heard the Patriots got an advantage from deflating balls.

Sorry for the bad joke.

 

[Norm]

Absolutely don't fucking care about this shit.

We have Baker Mayfield, and he's turning this shit around without giving a single fuck about Hue, ESPN, Wickersham, Farmer, Silver, Obama, I don't give a fuck, he don't give a fuck, you shouldn't give a fuck, fuck em all.

They wanna tear us down faster than we're rebuilding blocks to the sky.

The guy that wrote this story watches porn every night using an incognito tab, fuck him.

This is just preposterous........utter bs...........like totally unbelievable.........


Really?.......Reallllllly?










There's an "incognito" tab?

 

[Scrote Squad]

Absolutely don't fucking care about this shit.

We have Baker Mayfield, and he's turning this shit around without giving a single fuck about Hue, ESPN, Wickersham, Farmer, Silver, Obama, I don't give a fuck, he don't give a fuck, you shouldn't give a fuck, fuck em all.

They wanna tear us down faster than we're rebuilding blocks to the sky.

The guy that wrote this story watches porn every night using an incognito tab, fuck him.

Sounds like you're speaking from experience coming from a man that's speaking from experience.

 

[Scrote Squad]

Maybe the Browns figured watching porn would help them win games. They heard the Patriots got an advantage from deflating balls.

Sorry for the bad joke.

You are now confirmed as a @Lee alt.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

The people living in Cleveland have heard all of this, but it's a national story. I don't agree with your last line either - the article didn't put Hue in a good light whatsoever.

I wasn't saying that the article painted Hue in a good light. The point is that painting the Browns as dysfunctional helps Hue excuse his historically inept performance as Browns head coach. We all know he pushed that narrative from the moment he was let go. Hell, he was trashing other people in the organization while he was still the head coach. So, when an expose (or more like a rehash) comes out that alleges some facts that only high-ranking insiders would know, including alleged conversations between Haslam and Hue, it appears to me that Hue is deliberately trashing the Browns in an effort to lessen the stain of his own shitty performance.

Whether the author also affirmatively said nice things about Hue is a different question.

The Browns appear to be turning a corner, so in the writer's mind, the story of incompetence that's defined Jimmy's ownership to this point could be over, and thus, ready to be told.

That's exactly what I don't get. It would seem to me that the time to catalog everything fucked up with the Browns is...when everything is still fucked up. That makes it current and still relevant. Waiting until after those problems could be over to talk about them seems strange.