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A Look Inside the Dysfunction of the Cleveland Browns

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Sounds like you're speaking from experience coming from a man that's speaking from experience.
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I wasn't saying that the article painted Hue in a good light. The point is that painting the Browns as dysfunctional helps Hue excuse his historically inept performance as Browns head coach. We all know he pushed that narrative from the moment he was let go. Hell, he was trashing other people in the organization while he was still the head coach. So, when an expose (or more like a rehash) comes out that alleges some facts that only high-ranking insiders would know, including alleged conversations between Haslam and Hue, it appears to me that Hue is deliberately trashing the Browns in an effort to lessen the stain of his own shitty performance.

Whether the author also affirmatively said nice things about Hue is a different question.



That's exactly what I don't get. It would seem to me that the time to catalog everything fucked up with the Browns is...when everything is still fucked up. That makes it current and still relevant. Waiting until after those problems could be over to talk about them seems strange.

Agreed on your first point.

Regarding writing it when it's current, why tell a story that isn't finished?

I'm personally not as much of a fan of the 'soap opera' style of reporting where we learn every little detail moment to moment and then anxiously sit back and wait as I am of the 'documentary' style of reporting that tells a whole story from start to finish in one run.

I think it's just a difference of taste, but I'd rather read this expose now, in its entirety, than every single one of those speculated events in the moment. I'm also more inclined to take something like this with value because of the number of sources and verification that go into writing it. That's probably naive on my part, but I think when a writer has more time to get their information lined up and verified, we get higher quality of pieces.

Both styles have their place in journalism.
 
Informing the public to this clusterfuck of a franchise is the purpose. Its absolutely newsworthy and informative, with a number of behind the scenes takes from the dozens of people he interviewed.

We may not like it, but its absolutely news.

Zac Jackson's commented on that article by saying "almost all of that stuff seems to predate John Dorsey, so I'm not sure how relevant it really any more." I agree --- It's not "news". The vast majority of it isn't new anything. It's old.

And that's kind of the point. The most relevant time to talk about Jimmy Haslam overruling four other guys to hire Hue Jackson instead of Sean McDermott would seem to have been sometime around when it happened in January 2016. It's now January 2019, and we've already hired Hue's replacement Seems the article is a little...late? Same thing with the stuff about the Manziel draft. That happened in 2014. We've since drafted Kizer, and now Mayfield, and have a completely different GM. So now we get an article about the dysfunction in the 2014 the draft room? Wouldn't all that have been somewhat more relevant if reported in 2014, 2015, 2016..... Or sex harassment training in 2015...what's the point of bringing that up in 2019?
 
Zac Jackson's commented on that article by saying "almost all of that stuff seems to predate John Dorsey, so I'm not sure how relevant it really any more." I agree --- It's not "news". The vast majority of it isn't new anything. It's old.

And that's kind of the point. The most relevant time to talk about Jimmy Haslam overruling four other guys to hire Hue Jackson instead of Sean McDermott would seem to have been sometime around when it happened in January 2016. It's now January 2019, and we've already hired Hue's replacement Seems the article is a little...late? Same thing with the stuff about the Manziel draft. That happened in 2014. We've since drafted Kizer, and now Mayfield, and have a completely different GM. So now we get an article about the dysfunction in the 2014 the draft room? Wouldn't all that have been somewhat more relevant if reported in 2014, 2015, 2016..... Or sex harassment training in 2015...what's the point of bringing that up in 2019?

It was a timeline of events that included the absurdity of this season.

I don’t think we’re quite at the point yet where we can discuss the issues of this organization as pre-Dorsey and post-Dorsey, most especially when Haslam clan are still key figures in the future of the franchise.
 
Agreed on your first point.

Regarding writing it when it's current, why tell a story that isn't finished?

In what respect are all those stories "finished" today?

Go back and look through that article at all the crap that's rehashed. What makes all those stories suddenly "finished" in January 2019 as opposed to before?

Manziel was drafted in 2014, and released in early 2016. If the story of the Manziel draft wasn't "finished" when Manziel was released in 2016, what suddenly makes it "finished" today? What makes the story of 2015 sex harassment training "finished" today? What makes the story of Sean McDermott not being hired in 2016 suddenly "finished" today.

The entire premise of the article is that Haslam fucks things up, so that's not over either. So if the goal was to wait until the story is "finished", that should have happened whenever Haslam no longer owns the team.
 
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In what respect are all those stories "finished" today?

Go back and look through that article at all the crap that's rehashed. What makes all those stories suddenly "finished" in January 2019 as opposed to before?

Manziel was drafted in 2014, and released in early 2016. If the story of the Manziel draft wasn't "finished" when Manziel was released in 2016, what suddenly makes it "finished" today? What makes the story of 2015 sex harassment training "finished" today? What makes the story of Sean McDermott not being hired in 2016 suddenly "finished" today.

In the context of a comprehensive review of the Haslam's and the Browns structure, I don't see how this isn't relevant.

The truth about their tenure is uncomfortable, but painfully relevant.
 
This is just preposterous........utter bs...........like totally unbelievable.........


Really?.......Reallllllly?










There's an "incognito" tab?:thinkerg:


haha, you beat me to it. I was....busy.
 
The number of guys with an axe to grind with Haslam is long, and it includes Hue, Sashi, Banner, Longabardi, Pettine, Haley, and Farmer. Moreover, some of those guys also have axes with DePodesta and Dorsey.

My guess is nothing in this story is false, but, it definitely has a narrative. For example, Kansas City has a huge analytics staff. I doubt Dorsey would come here knowing we had one too if that were a problem.

It is a good read. It’s just important to read it while knowing the context.
 
The number of guys with an axe to grind with Haslam is long, and it includes Hue, Sashi, Banner, Longabardi, Pettine, Haley, and Farmer. Moreover, some of those guys also have axes with DePodesta and Dorsey.

My guess is nothing in this story is false, but, it definitely has a narrative. For example, Kansas City has a huge analytics staff. I doubt Dorsey would come here knowing we had one too if that were a problem.

It is a good read. It’s just important to read it while knowing the context.

I don't really get people focusing on the "fucking nerds" quote. In literally the exact same paragraph, it says that Dorsey has since come to see the value in the analytics staff. So even if the quote is true, it's pretty much negated by what follows. And we also don't know if he was joking when he said it and had the quote taken out of context. I mean, we could quote Baker as calling Freddie an idiot and it would be true, as it's on tape. That's ignoring the context of the situation, though, as it was obviously a playful exchange between coach and player.
 
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It took them 20 minutes to cut the feed off?????

Don't understand why they didn't leave it up. Hue and staff really needed to learn how to open up a hole the right way.
 
I don't really get people focusing on the "fucking nerds" quote. In literally the exact same paragraph, it says that Dorsey has since come to see the value in the analytics staff. So even if the quote is true, it's pretty much negated by what follows. And we also don't know if he was joking when he said it and had the quote taken out of context. I mean, we could quote Baker as calling Freddie an idiot and it would be true, as it's on tape. That's obviously ignoring the context of the situation, though, as it was obviously a playful exchange between coach and player.
Yeah, it's really not a big deal. I've personally had a team leader at work early in my time there tell me to my face that he didn't think my role was needed. He thought that way because he always had his team structured a certain way his whole career, and then the company made enterprise-wide changes and added new roles, one of which I was in. It didn't bother me at all...I just kept working and did my job as I was supposed to do it. It wasn't long before he saw the value in what I was doing and he was quick to let me know he was wrong. We got along great.

Similar thing probably happened here with Dorsey. He probably didn't think the analytics group added much value, because he had been doing things a certain way his whole life without them. And now that he's worked closely with them, he understands what they bring to the table.

People who are doing new things can't be too proud to have skeptics.
 

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