Addressing the hole at center

[gratefuldead]

If the Memphis pick isn't good enough on its own, just offer dion and pick for aflalo and Mozgov. It would have to be 2 seperate trades but it would make us better. Then you'd have the dpe to sign whoever else.... Have to get someone to match Dion's bench scoring...

 

[Kouki]

The art of pure shot blocking in the NBA is dead. Imo were better off looking at tall athletic smart guys. Ryan Hollins body type guys but with more IQ.

make a list

 

[priceFTW]

Still irksome that we're essentially playing with a bigs rotation of two players.

I was intrigued by Hassan Whiteside when we played he Heat on Christmas. He has zero offensive skill but provides a defensive presence on a terrible defensive team as well as offensive rebounding.

He's played limited minutes, but in the minutes he's played, the Heat are +18.6 per 100 possessions. That won't last forever, but I seems that we should be able to find someone that won't break the asset bank and make us better. Whiteside would get burn here. He's got 3 points, 4 rebounds and 2 blocks in 9 minutes tonight.

I'd like to see Kirk out there before we spend all the rest of our assets.

 

[Kizzle]

make a list

Maybe yall can help me lol

 

[Kouki]

Maybe yall can help me lol

that's my point....ryan hollins with a brain doesn't grow on trees and if he does he's making 12 million dollars and the teams dont want to trade him

there are very few bigs in the league that we could realticallyacquire for a reasonable price who would be able to contribute 15 minutes a night here

 

[gratefuldead]

the nuggets lost to the lakers....

every loss might push them to tank

 

[paulpressey25]

John Henson ?

I think there is a chance Milwaukee would deal you guys Larry Sanders if the trade package was right. The hard part is the asset return when combined with trying to match salaries.

I'm not sure the Bucks want to deal with Waiters from a chemistry standpoint and I don't think the Memphis pick by itself carries much value. Plus with the pick, you still need to match salaries.

If you guys can come up with some creative permutations, I think a Sanders deal could get done though.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Just when I thought Larry Sanders couldn't have a worse season than 2013, he goes and stops blocking shots for a month and loses his starting role to Zaza Pachulia. This guy hasn't been effective since signing that huge contract... interesting timing.

 

[NasstyNate]

Just when I thought Larry Sanders couldn't have a worse season than 2013, he goes and stops blocking shots for a month and loses his starting role to Zaza Pachulia. This guy hasn't been effective since signing that huge contract... interesting timing.

Maybe he gets the Josh Smith treatment?

 

[Randolphkeys]

Maybe he gets the Josh Smith treatment?

Maybe the guy with Paul Pressey in his name cares more about the Bucks ditching a terrible contract than the Cavaliers best interests.

There are going to be some great trade targets when the deadline get closer. The Cavaliers have to weather the storm with a doughnut team until then.

 

[paulpressey25]

Maybe the guy with Paul Pressey in his name cares more about the Bucks ditching a terrible contract than the Cavaliers best interests.

There are going to be some great trade targets when the deadline get closer. The Cavaliers have to weather the storm with a doughnut team until then.

He's been out sick and hasn't lost his job to Pachulia. Take a look at his advanced defensive metrics. Sanders is still top 5 as it relates to opponent field goal percentage. His challenge is that Jason Kidd's system wants the center to be playing more high post on offense and feeding the cutters. Sanders doesn't have those skills.

He's basically the only realistic option the Cav's have to get a legitimate rim protector in there to compliment Love and LeBron.

We're fine holding onto him.

 

[Randolphkeys]

He's been out sick and hasn't lost his job to Pachulia.

He has been out sick for a few days, but he has been averaging 21 minutes a game all year. For 11 million a year for the next four years, you are getting a defensive presence that barely rebounds (6 per game) and barely scores (7 points a game). Oh yeah, and gets arrested a lot. That is a bad contract, any way you slice it.

His challenge is that Jason Kidd's system wants the center to be playing more high post on offense and feeding the cutters. Sanders doesn't have those skills.

And that is why Zaza Pachulia averages more minutes per game, hence taking a big chunk of the playing time for Sanders.

He's basically the only realistic option the Cav's have to get a legitimate rim protector in there to compliment Love and LeBron.

We're fine holding onto him.

Dear Lord, you couldn't sound more like a bad used car dealer here. What special prize do I get for being the twelfth caller?

 

[kovanovich]

Maybe the guy with Paul Pressey in his name cares more about the Bucks ditching a terrible contract than the Cavaliers best interests.

There are going to be some great trade targets when the deadline get closer. The Cavaliers have to weather the storm with a doughnut team until then.

Hah! Some foresight he had though, joining RCF back in 2008 just so he could let us all know some 6 years later that Larry Sanders could be had!

As Pressey says though, I don't think a mid-season trade is particularly plausible. That said, I believe a package include Waiters, Haywood, and Amundson would work (Real GM Trade Checker says it's good).

I think an off-season trade involving Haywood's ballooning contract is much more likely, but if the Bucks are motivated to dump Sanders' contract, what value would they expect back?

 

[kovanovich]

He has been out sick for a few days, but he has been averaging 21 minutes a game all year. For 11 million a year for the next four years, you are getting a defensive presence that barely rebounds (6 per game) and barely scores (7 points a game). Oh yeah, and gets arrested a lot. That is a bad contract, any way you slice it.



And that is why Zaza Pachulia averages more minutes per game, hence taking a big chunk of the playing time for Sanders.



Dear Lord, you couldn't sound more like a bad used car dealer here. What special prize do I get for being the twelfth caller?

As I have said before regarding Sanders, I'm not going to express a strong opinion on whether the Cavs should pursue him, but I think you are being a bit unfair. His rebounding has been fine. His rebounding rate is still above average. It's not like he is Ekpe Udoh. And he is still blocking shots, though at not nearly the same rate he was a couple of years ago. His lack of offense doesn't bother me so much, since he would be the 5th option here, but for a low skilled offensive player his usage rate (17% this year) is rather high. I'd like to see that under 15% -- catch and finish at the basket and offensive rebounds mainly. Can he accept that role and carry it out? Would the Cavs even want a non-offensive player like that, given that they already have Tristan Thompson?

 

[Randolphkeys]

As I have said before regarding Sanders, I'm not going to express a strong opinion on whether the Cavs should pursue him, but I think you are being a bit unfair. His rebounding has been fine. His rebounding rate is still above average. It's not like he is Ekpe Udoh. And he is still blocking shots, though at not nearly the same rate he was a couple of years ago. His lack of offense doesn't bother me so much, since he would be the 5th option here, but for a low skilled offensive player his usage rate (17% this year) is rather high. I'd like to see that under 15% -- catch and finish at the basket and offensive rebounds mainly. Can he accept that role and carry it out? Would the Cavs even want a non-offensive player like that, given that they already have Tristan Thompson?

I've been opposed to going after Sanders since he signed that huge contract. When he was an intriguing third year player, he seemed like he might progress as a finisher on the pick and roll. His defensive awareness and rebounding were all improving. Since that contract, his game and his effort has only regressed.

One thing I've heard a lot the past few years is that Tristan Thompson is the closest thing the Cavaliers have to a uniting presence in the locker room. When Dion and Irving were beefing, Thompson was one of the guys keeping the locker room together. Now with LeBron aboard and a locker room that has seen better days, Thompson remains important. That said, he is certainly a liability on offense. His only asset on that side of the court is his feverish offensive rebounding.

Larry Sanders, on the other hand, has never been recognized as a locker room asset. A recent SI interview mentioned that he has anger management issues that require daily maintenance. Animal cruelty, drug problems, nightclub brawls... the guy is a time bomb. Let's put aside the fact he is little more than Ben Wallace on offense and look at his Delonte West issues between the ears.

This is no place for Larry Sanders or his cap crippling contract.