Anderson Varejao

[Maximus]

Re: Anderson Varejao is our untouchable

I'm going to throw out a name real quick who helped his team win championships with the same style of play as Andy. Dennis Rodman. Look at his stats at Post Age 30. They are great. Average 18 rebounds a game at age 30.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rodmade01.html

Rodman was only in his 6th season when he was 30...he missed a grand total of ZERO games due to injury at that point.

Andy is 29 and has already played 8 seasons...he has missed over 100 games due to injury.

I'm not sure that's a very good comparison. Rodman was a young 30 compared to how Andy will be next year with all his wear and tear. Andy has already started showing signs of physical decline.

 

[RenoIII]

Re: Anderson Varejao is our untouchable

Rodman was only in his 6th season when he was 30...he missed a grand total of ZERO games due to injury at that point.

Andy is 29 and has already played 8 seasons...he has missed over 100 games due to injury.

I'm not sure that's a very good comparison. Rodman was a young 30 compared to how Andy will be next year with all his wear and tear. Andy has already started showing signs of physical decline.

6 years or 8? what does it matter? Rodman played more minutes before the age of 30. Calling Rodman a young 30 is just rediclous when comparing AV

Rodmans 1st 6 years 13935 minutes played

AV 1st 8 years including this year 10869 mp

 

[Triumph36]

Re: Anderson Varejao is our untouchable

I see signs of physical decline in Varejao. He isnt as nearly as bouncy or mobile as he used to be and cant run the floor anymore. He has picked up a lot of tricks via experience and he gives the same effort.

The Cavaliers need to sell high.

not nearly as bouncy? hello?! he is leading the league in offensive rebound rate!! as. good. as. ever.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Re: Anderson Varejao is our untouchable

Love Andy and what he brings and I think a lot of fans would be really angry if we deal him but if you get a package you can't refuse then he's got to go. Other than getting a young all star in the making Andy's here for awhile.

That's my point. He's more valuable to us in the near future than anything that would be offered to us. Andy would be very valuable to a playoff team, but they don't own unprotected lottery picks. (OK, the Clippers own the T'wolves, but that ain't happening.)


Maybe we could collect money again, and get Andy a Rascal Scooter!

 

[Tornicade]

Re: Anderson Varejao is our untouchable

The complete lack of lift. They cant switch him out onto PGs like they used to and how Chicago does Taj Gibson. He doesnt run the floor anymore. He used to have a pretty good first step when facing up. That's gone. He's using a lot of Z old tricks to get to rebounds.

theres been quite a few games where they have and can and it worked. AV's defensive assignment changes recently has more to do with forcing his guards to play defense than andy's abilities

The first 8 or 9 games though andy was guarding out of position more times than ever before for longer stretches to keep the defense from breaking down.

 

[KI4MVP]

Re: Anderson Varejao is our untouchable

The only untouchable on this team is 2KI. When you're rebuilding you don't throw the untouchable tag on a role player. That's setting yourself up for failure.

As for making the playoffs next year:
C: Andy (if not traded)
PF: TT
SF: Middle Of The Road Free Agent/Gee/Rookie
SG: Middle Of The Road Free Agent/Rookie
PG: KI

we are more than just 1 year away from the playoffs.

which eastern conference are you watching? At 7-10 we are just 1/2 a game out of the 7 seed in the east. Bogut is out indefinitely with a fractured ankle, Boston is looking really old and has stated a willingness to trade their stars, the Knicks have been mediocre and are counting on a guy with a bad back to turn their season around. that's our competition for the 7 and 8 seeds. We most certainly have a decent shot at the playoffs this year as long as we stay reasonably healthy.

 

[Maximus]

Re: Anderson Varejao is our untouchable

6 years or 8? what does it matter? Rodman played more minutes before the age of 30.

Again, what matters is that Andy has had more wear and tear. Rodman was injury free before the age of 30...he played every available game. Before the age of 29, Andy has missed over 100 games for dislocated shoulder that required a very complicated surgery, a couple high ankle sprains, a fractured face, patella tendinitis, wrist injury and last year he suffered a complete tear of his midfoot tendon while running down the court in a non contact drill. That's what I mean when I say Andy will be an old 30 compared to Rodman.

 

[BigErieCavsFan]

Re: Anderson Varejao is our untouchable

Let me make this clear. I want to build a winner as bad as the next guy. I'm pretty sure the Cavs will be a playoff team next season. (Hell, we might this season, and we're not even trying to.)

Anderson is a unique big man that has improved over the years, and has an all-hustle attitude that's contagious. He is now a borderline All-Star.
If we trade him, we will never get equal, or better value. If that is the objective. I would need an unprotected lottery pick to trade Andy at the minimum. And I don't see anybody doing that.

He will be 30 years old next season. He still has plenty of energy to play for me. Add one rookie starting next year. Sign 2 middle of the road free agents. Playoffs here we come. (Waiting for another super star to show up could be a long wait.)

Jamison, Sessions, Parker, see ya later. Keep Andy.

I only read the OP's post (haven't seen the next 3 pages yet), and it's pretty fucking sad that I'm the only one who has thanked it. I'm sure I will have something to say again soon...

 

[dano_24_26]

Re: Anderson Varejao is our untouchable

I just don't see him as the same player when we're trying to make a true run in a couple years from now. And his value isn't going to get much higher.

 

[BigErieCavsFan]

Re: Anderson Varejao is our untouchable

Why would we not get "fair value" for him? Every GM in the NBA knows what he brings every night.

I guess it depend on what you consider fair value, but the OP's view is where I stand and I don't see any GM (or at least a GM in a situation to to give it) giving enough up.

 

[BigErieCavsFan]

Re: Anderson Varejao is our untouchable

The complete lack of lift. They cant switch him out onto PGs like they used to and how Chicago does Taj Gibson. He doesnt run the floor anymore. He used to have a pretty good first step when facing up. That's gone. He's using a lot of Z old tricks to get to rebounds.

Was I dreaming last night when he actually "HUNG" in the air to finish a "SLAM"? Sure, he was only 2 feet off the ground, but I swear to god I seen some hang time...

 

[MD13]

Re: Anderson Varejao is our untouchable

not nearly as bouncy? hello?! he is leading the league in offensive rebound rate!! as. good. as. ever.

Agree with MYoung on this one. He's never been a big shot blocker, but now he has a hard time getting up high enough to contest a lot of the shots he used to bother. He has been amazing on the boards because of his good hands, non-stop effort, and a good sense of where the ball is gonna bounce, but it's been pretty clear at least to me that he's not quite as quick and can't jump quite as high as before.

The one thing I do hope is that he's still not fully recovered from his ankle surgery, and he may be able to improve physically from where he's at now. Still, as much as I love him, we've gotta trade him if a good offer comes around.

 

[*L-Train*]

Re: Anderson Varejao is our untouchable

That's my point. He's more valuable to us in the near future than anything that would be offered to us. Andy would be very valuable to a playoff team, but they don't own unprotected lottery picks. (OK, the Clippers own the T'wolves, but that ain't happening.)


Maybe we could collect money again, and get Andy a Rascal Scooter!

and how exactly will that help us long-term?

folks let's be realistic here looking at this roster (from a young talent standpoint), this is still a very bad team. it will take at least another 2-3 years in the lottery to get the pieces they need in order to contend in the future (assuming they draft well). Andy will be 32/33 years old by then, looking at his injury history and playing style i just don't see how he's still gonna be a starter then.

Andy's one of my favorite players but in my opinion we would waste his prime by keeping him around, and it would even decrease the chances of becoming a good team long-term by losing out on the elite talent of the draft. i know there are examples of great players getting picked in the 10-15 range and even later but the bottom line is our chances of getting an all-star caliber player will be much better picking in the top 5 than somewhere around 12-15. you might not like it but the only thing Andy will achieve for us this year is losing out on a top 5 draft pick

comparing it to a similar situation let's look at OKC. in 2007 they drafted Kevin Durant and traded 30/31 year old Ray Allen although he came of a career year for the 5th pick in the draft (i realize Andy probably doesn't have the same value Allen had back then but he should still land us a lottery pick). did that make them worse short-term? yes but looking back at the 08' draft it was the right decision. by keeping Ray Allen they would have drafted at least 5 spots later and all of a sudden we're talking about Jerryd Bayless/DJ Augustin instead of Russell Westbrook...

don't get me wrong i'm not saying we should trade Andy to the first team that makes us a solid offer (it will take a good offer not a godfather offer) but untouchable really? the only player on this team that should be untouchable is Kyrie Irving

 

[BigErieCavsFan]

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Agree with MYoung on this one. He's never been a big shot blocker

Maybe I'm dreaming again, but I swear I seen a couple of very nice blocks in the beginning of the game last nite, that he again seemed to be almost be "hanging" to get to...

 

[MD13]

Re: Anderson Varejao is our untouchable

Maybe I'm dreaming again, but I swear I seen a couple of very nice blocks in the beginning of the game last nite, that he again seemed to be almost "hanging" to get to...

He blocked those shots on the way up. I don't think I've seen him block a shot above the rim all year