Anderson Varejao

[QuadrupleDouble]

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Andy would look good on almost any team, but I do think he and Noah together would be redundant

 

[Zone]

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No offense Frank, but those are probably the only two teams that do not improve much because of AV. I love Andy, but lets remember that part of the reason he looks so good is because of the team he plays with.

Agree. Can any of the metrics guys on this board provide a convincing rationale that playing with guys like Jamison doesn't inflate Andy's rebounding production?

 

[Douglar]

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Andy isn't as spry as he was when he was 21, but I'm not as concerned about that as some people. Even when he was 21 people had doubts if he was athletic enough to compete in the NBA. It's the reason he dropped to the second round. Andy's game was never about superior athleticism or leaping. Andy's game is about good lateral mobility, quickly reading the floor, and getting to the right spot first. Lateral mobility usually lasts longer than a lot of other physical skills. If Andy can avoid serious injury, he could an effective player for another 5-6 years. My concern is that he's not been so great at avoiding major injuries. That's why I'd be willing to look at trade offers. But it would be foolish to force a trade this year just for the sake of a trade. Andy will still have good trade value next year. I just wish they would limit Andy's minutes a little more right now.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

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Hopefully we can agree that Andy would improve most ant team he plays on. He improves the Cavs right now. But if you can't trade him for anything more than a late 1st or 2nd round pick, why do it? You don't find impact players there.

I'm so sick of hearing about the OKC model for building a contender. The fact is they got lucky when Seattle drafted Westbrook at number 4. Consistently drafting high guarantees nothing. OKC was the only exception I can think of. I hasn't helped MN or the Clips.
Two seasons out of the playoffs is long enough. Losing builds a bad atmosphere.

 

[Lee]

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alright, usually I try to refrain from being the grammar police, but I have seen this too many times in the past few days.

It's our not are. Our team is great. Players are great. Our shows common possession while are is plural for is

I've seen it from multiple posters and at a greater clip in the past few days so I just thought I would throw it out there as it seems to be in a lot of threads

Our you ok? This is not like you. Where did are normal QD go?

 

[Derek]

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Yes, Andy's rebounding is helped by playing with a weaker rebounding PF like Jamison. But the same could be said the top two rebounders in the league as well.

Howard plays with Ryan Anderson
Love plays with Milicic

It's just how things go. The Cavs are an above average rebounding team despite having Jamison and giving minutes to Hollins on a semi-regular basis. I think that can be heavily attributed to Varejao.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

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Don't know why Andy's athleticism is being brought up. With age he has become more skilled over the years. He doesn't need to be playing 100 miles an hour to be productive.

 

[Jon]

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Here's some stats to toss in to the discussion:

Andy's per36 numbers this year, show that his blocks are down (0.8) from last year (1.2) when he seemed to really be trying to transition from a flopper to a blocker - but that just gets him back to typical for the rest of his career.

His steal rate is up, scoring rate up, FTA's up, ORB up, DRB up, AST up. His Turnover rate is also up which could be related to him being used more offensively, or to all the passes heaved at his knees.

Of course somebody on a team has to grab rebounds - a board that Andy snags is a board that Jamison won't, the question is do they grab their share as a team?

They Cavs are currently 13th in DRB% in the league, and 7th in ORB% so indeed we're above average in both categories - and way up over last season.

In addition offensive rebounds are all about beating the opponent to the boards. We averaged 10.4 per game as a team last year shooting 43.4%. We're at 12.2 per game this season with 43.1% shooting.

Summary:

Statistically speaking Anderson is having a career year. There's no evidence of a performance drop off. Whatever he's getting by on, is working.

Saying that, I don't think anyone on the board has a problem with selling high ... as they saying goes, we're just haggling over the price.

 

[mds]

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Anderson is the silver bullet Gilbert should put in LeBrons figurative tiny head.

He should gift Varejao to Orlando or Chicago

Andy and Dwight Howard is the most disgusting defensive tandem in years. Howard plays up and down, Andy plays side to side.

Andy and Noah would also be a great tandem.

It's funny how Andy, that one piece could make all of the difference in the world to either of those teams.

Hell Maybe Dwight would stay in Orlando, even better.


Three team trades guys, fire away.......

Couldn't play those guys together on either of those teams. Offensive production would be terrible. Dwight needs a shooter next to him and so does Noah. That said, he'd be great off the bench for either team. Trouble is, Orlando doesn't have a single player I'd want and Chicago wouldn't give up any that I do.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

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Couldn't play those guys together on either of those teams. Offensive production would be terrible. Dwight needs a shooter next to him and so does Noah. That said, he'd be great off the bench for either team. Trouble is, Orlando doesn't have a single player I'd want and Chicago wouldn't give up any that I do.

Very true, I half heartedly threw that out there, I know it's not a serious possibility but it's funny how all of these supposed contenders don't realize that if they had Anderson, their shot at winning it all improves significantly. We have all seen what a guy like Leon Powe can do in a finals game. Speaking of Anderson and finals games, I'll never forget when Andy tried to win that finals game by taking a sweeping running hookshot, I was ready to bust a cap.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

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Noah and Varejao would be a trainwreck together. Wouldn't work at all.

 

[czvo]

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Dennis Rodman was a freak of nature and an outlier when it comes to the longevity of big men. I really don't see him as a reasonable comparison.

Plus, in his 9th, 10th, and 11th years in the league, he played 49, 64, and 55 games respectively.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

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Dennis Rodman was a freak of nature and an outlier when it comes to the longevity of big men. I really don't see him as a reasonable comparison.

Plus, in his 9th, 10th, and 11th years in the league, he played 49, 64, and 55 games respectively.

Good post.

Plus he was more versatile than Andy when it came to defending wing players. Rodman on the Pistons played the majority of his time at SF. How many players in the league can say they have taken turns guarding Michael Jordan, Karl Malone, Hakeem, and Shaq at one point in their careers? And thats no disrespect to Andy. Because we have seen in the past how he can switch to guarding a PG without being a liability. But Rodman is whole other beast in that department.

 

[BigErieCavsFan]

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I know Andy isn't quite Rodman, but he is one of the closest players I can think of from a defensive/hustle/rebound POV...

 

[czvo]

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Good post.

Plus he was more versatile than Andy when it came to defending wing players. Rodman on the Pistons played the majority of his time at SF. How many players in the league can say they have taken turns guarding Michael Jordan, Karl Malone, Hakeem, and Shaq at one point in their careers? And thats no disrespect to Andy. Because we have seen in the past how he can switch to guarding a PG without being a liability. But Rodman is whole other beast in that department.

And just to add a little more... Rodman is a Hall-of-Famer. As much as I like Andy, come on now.