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lol. seriously?

going all in for dwight fucking howard is not at all relevant to pursuing anderson varejao. i mean....i have no idea whatsoever how you could legitimately bring that up wrt: varejao/houston.

I'm busy for the next few days, but you really don't have any reason to be this confrontational about Varejao trade scenarios. I pointed out which young assets are liquid in the NBA. Now time will tell if OKC is willing to put some assets on the line and make a run for the West this year. Good front courts need depth. That will not change, either for the Cavs or OKC.
 
The only way we're getting that Toronto pick is by taking back Perkins.
 
We'll get some time to see if Perkins can still be a Dwight stopper but if not, the Thunder might want to get Perkins out of there.

They aren't going to get much post scoring regardless of whether or not they make a deal for Andy, but I don't see why they wouldn't want an upgrade over Perkins. Their defense as a whole is inconsistent and their bigs' PnR defense is atrocious. Andy would fix that while still being better than Perkins on offense.
Is Varejao a "Dwight stopper" any more than Perkins?

AV being an upgrade over Perkins is debatable when you take into consideration durability and age, both of which favor Perk. Their contracts are pretty similar, with AV being owed like $1-2M more over the next 3 years. Not only that, but they are massively rolling the dice. Essentially, they would be replacing two durable guys in Harden and Perk with two of the most injury prone players at their respective positions in Martin and AV. That is a hell of a lot of risk for not a whole lot of upside.

And finally, they already have a far more affordable, slightly worse version of AV in Nick Collison. He is tremendously underrated.

I'm busy for the next few days, but you really don't have any reason to be this confrontational about Varejao trade scenarios. I pointed out which young assets are liquid in the NBA. Now time will tell if OKC is willing to put some assets on the line and make a run for the West this year. Good front courts need depth. That will not change, either for the Cavs or OKC.
I'm not being confrontational. You suggested the Rockets, which is silly itself for aforementioned reasons; then used their targeting of Howard as some sort of justification for them also targeting AV which is just absurd.

OKC already has depth. Again, their front-court already struggles enough offensively....trading for AV is likely pointless.

As an aside, I kind of find it funny that the reigning WC Champs and team with the brightest future in the league would trade their starting C and second (or third..) most important player.

edit: aside pt 2, but I remember when I was one of the few here pushing for the Cavs to trade AV for Harden. ah, those were the days....
 
The only way we're getting that Toronto pick is by taking back Perkins.

Which I don't think is out of the question actually. OKC snagged Perk to be exactly what Andy is... An elite defender to anchor the middle spot, and Perk turned into an infeffectual.

By relieving them of Perks salary and giving them Andy, I'd push for the Toronto pick and PJ3.
 
Is Varejao a "Dwight stopper" any more than Perkins?

AV being an upgrade over Perkins is debatable when you take into consideration durability and age, both of which favor Perk. Their contracts are pretty similar, with AV being owed like $1-2M more over the next 3 years. Not only that, but they are massively rolling the dice. Essentially, they would be replacing two durable guys in Harden and Perk with two of the most injury prone players at their respective positions in Martin and AV. That is a hell of a lot of risk for not a whole lot of upside.

And finally, they already have a far more affordable, slightly worse version of AV in Nick Collison. He is tremendously underrated.

I'm not being confrontational. You suggested the Rockets, which is silly itself for aforementioned reasons; then used their targeting of Howard as some sort of justification for them also targeting AV which is just absurd.

OKC already has depth. Again, their front-court already struggles enough offensively....trading for AV is likely pointless.

As an aside, I kind of find it funny that the reigning WC Champs and team with the brightest future in the league would trade their starting C and second (or third..) most important player.

edit: aside pt 2, but I remember when I was one of the few here pushing for the Cavs to trade AV for Harden. ah, those were the days....

First of ally you must be thinking of old Perk, not new Perk. He has seriously digressed, which everyone saw in the playoffs.

Second, Andy's deal is a full year shorter (third year is team option), so it saves them $9million plus luxury tax.

Third, did you really call Nick Collisin a "slightly less good Anderson Varejao"?
 
First of ally you must be thinking of old Perk, not new Perk. He has seriously digressed, which everyone saw in the playoffs.

Second, Andy's deal is a full year shorter (third year is team option), so it saves them $9million plus luxury tax.

Third, did you really call Nick Collisin a "slightly less good Anderson Varejao"?
Meh, one (shortened) season. Not going to toss him aside quite yet.

Yes, I realize that (though I think it is partially guaranteed). But I was under the impression that the trade would be made for the sake of winning, not cutting costs.

Third, yes. APM superstar, good at taking charges, great pick and roll defense, high energy big mostly suited for PF but can play some C, mostly useless on offense but will hit the occasional wide open jumpshot, solid on the offensive glass, etc. Sounds a lot like Varejao, except...slightly worse. With the lack of objectivity wrt: AV here comparing him to Collison probably wasn't the best idea, however.
 
Is Varejao a "Dwight stopper" any more than Perkins?

AV being an upgrade over Perkins is debatable when you take into consideration durability and age, both of which favor Perk. Their contracts are pretty similar, with AV being owed like $1-2M more over the next 3 years. Not only that, but they are massively rolling the dice. Essentially, they would be replacing two durable guys in Harden and Perk with two of the most injury prone players at their respective positions in Martin and AV. That is a hell of a lot of risk for not a whole lot of upside.

And finally, they already have a far more affordable, slightly worse version of AV in Nick Collison. He is tremendously underrated.

Did you watch the Thunder last year? Varejao is a definite upgrade over Perkins and he's actually not owed more money since his last year is only partially guaranteed.

I also never said Varejao would be a Dwight stopper, but that's literally the only thing left on Perkins' resume since he lacks any sort of mobility after his knee injury, and is awful on the pick and roll both offensively and defensively. If Perkins can't stop Dwight, what good is he? He missed 50+ games the year before last, and while he was pretty durable prior to that but he's still no ironman.

I'm glad you mentioned Collison because he's a perfect example of why Varejao would be such a great fit there. The Thunder were a significantly better team last year when they went with Collison/Ibaka or Collison/Durant. Adding Varejao to the mix would fix a lot of their problems because he has the same game as Collison except better.
 
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the thunder are like us when we had lbj. If we had picks did or would we have drafted them or traded them for a proven player?? Gms love varejao game more than casual fans do. Also is the rockets are in the playoff hunt at deadline maybe we could pry there pick from them
 
Houston certainly does become a viable potential trade partner now that they have Harden. The main knock against the potential for a trade before was Houstons priority on getting a star. now they believe they have that in harden so a proven veteran who is willing to start,back or do whateve the team needs and play at a high level becomes appealing.

The rockets still have a few picks and quite a few up and coming young talent to make a trade viable. An Asik Anderson back court would be the most fundamentally sound in the league and give the rockets two guys who can screen catch and finish.
 
I think Varejao can help the Thunder in terms of front court mobility on both ends, if he's taking some of Perk's minutes.

On defense he can chase Bosh around, who will be playing center (I actually can't recall his personal success versus Bosh, but if it's Andy versus Perk he's obviously better). But there is some redundancy there with Collison.

Offensively Andy as an individual is not overrated. But in an offense he has a lot of value in his tendency to be mobile and time his runs to be in the right place at the right time for a easy layups and openings for an easy assist. He also has a tendency to share the ball, not think shot first, which on a team with Kevin Durant and some other quality talent should help an offense run more efficiently. Basketball IQ, feel for the game, can somewhat make up for what Andy doesn't have in low post moves and shooting touch on that end of the floor.

Kyrie's chemistry with Andy last year should not be ignored in just how valuable Andy can be. Around guys who know how to play, his value gets higher and higher. His chemistry with LeBron was pretty obvious too. He might have played really well with Harden had he not left, and I'm curious how many on the Thunder he'd develop some of that same quality of understanding how things flow on the court. They're not the best passing team, but Andy might increase their overall ball movement and help them find a few more easy buckets per game.

Whoever gets Andy will be lucky to have him for reasons that go beyond just good defense. He's good for a basketball team. The way he plays helps teams win. That is the goal. Let's not just sell him as a good or great defender, he does a lot more than that. He's worth a lot to a basketball team, so whoever wants him will have to make a great offer. It's hard to see that coming from OKC imo.

Related though.. does anybody know how the Cavs had Perry Jones rated? (I don't have much of an opinion on him, just curious since our guard positions look set already). Not that I think they'd necessarily want to do that.
 
They keep Andy and Perk because of Dwight. Andy would be fantastic on that team, and I think like others that he would replace Collison.

You also have to imagine Grant saying something like, "Hey Sam, you know who knows Lebron's game better than anyone else..."

For the Thunder you get Andy for Dwight and Lebron, both of whom you will see in the playoffs if everything goes right.
 
For the Thunder you get Andy for Dwight and Lebron, both of whom you will see in the playoffs if everything goes right.

I have a vague recollection of Dwight doing whatever he wanted against Andy in the playoffs some years back. Am I thinking of somebody else?
 
I would easily swap Andy + 2nd rounder for that Raptors pick, even if it meant taking on Perkins. Even if that pick doesn't hit this year, it will be valuable for the next two seasons. I know Perk sucks, but we have been waiting for an opportunity like this. Im not sure they do this deal without us taking back Perk.
 
I have a vague recollection of Dwight doing whatever he wanted against Andy in the playoffs some years back. Am I thinking of somebody else?

Andy had a hard time in 2009 against Dwight in the ECF. Since then he has gotten a lot better guarding the bigger guys because he has to. I have seen him really bother Dwight since.
 

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