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I think he scored nearly all of his points after the Wolves were down 35 points :(
Wouldn't really take away much of this game. Losing Rubio has really hammered the Wolves

I think Wiggins was the leading scoring even before halftime. But yeah, the game was already over at that point. At least he showed up. I'm still iffy about Wiggins dribbling at times but his jumper should be smooth over the next few years. It has an incredible amount of arc, a decently high release point and a good follow-through. If Andrew busts his butt and works on it, that step-back jumper will be a solid go-to move for him.
 
Long time fan here,
I was just wondering for some time, what if we resigned deng for a 1 year deal and spencer hawes and took a chance for Love next year.
we would have a stretch 4/5 and a good SF/SG , Lebron could play as a PF/SF/SG since he's so versatile.
wouldn't it have been better? (1)Clear cap space next year and that's it.
(2)I look at Love right now and he's like helping cause he's playing as a Stretch PF and giving Lebron and Kyrie the space, but he's not hitting his shots and his defense is mediocore.
I think this move would have been better and we would have had a better bench aswell.
What do you guys think?
I'm not sure about resigning both of them if we had enough cap space including Lebron, but Hawes would be sufficient enough for 1 year.

(1)How would that have worked, exactly? Irving's extension would have kicked in, and on the books it'd be:

Irving: $14.8 mil
LeBron: $22 mil
Wiggins: 5.8 mil
Bennett: 6 mil
Dion: 5 mil
Mike Miller: 2.8 mil

Kevin would cost $20 on a 65mil cap...
So Irving, LeBron, Wiggins and Love gets you to 65 mil, would we just give up the rest of the roster, sign everyone we could to a vet min and roll with it? We'd have to let go of Thompson, Dion, Bennett, Varejao, (probably have to trade Mike Miller, it would be close)... We'd have a 4 man roster with 0 flexibility to adjust. That's a dangerous place to be. (And no, we definitely would not have had a better bench, it would have been abysmal.

(2) This has nothing to do with your previous argument. And simply put, judging a player based on a few games' worth of production is asinine. We have seen what Love can do as a shooter and playmaker for years, his career isn't going to be defined by the first few games in a 2014-15 season. Those shots will soon start dropping, and honestly there are going to be games LeBron shoots 4-16 and we're carried by Love's 34 points, or Kyrie's game off and Love carries us. That's the beauty of having 3 players who, at any point, can be the best player on the floor: It's redundancy in the system, which should lead to more consistent success.
 
(1)How would that have worked, exactly? Irving's extension would have kicked in, and on the books it'd be:

Irving: $14.8 mil
LeBron: $22 mil
Wiggins: 5.8 mil
Bennett: 6 mil
Dion: 5 mil
Mike Miller: 2.8 mil

Kevin would cost $20 on a 65mil cap...
So Irving, LeBron, Wiggins and Love gets you to 65 mil, would we just give up the rest of the roster, sign everyone we could to a vet min and roll with it? We'd have to let go of Thompson, Dion, Bennett, Varejao, (probably have to trade Mike Miller, it would be close)... We'd have a 4 man roster with 0 flexibility to adjust. That's a dangerous place to be. (And no, we definitely would not have had a better bench, it would have been abysmal.

(2) This has nothing to do with your previous argument. And simply put, judging a player based on a few games' worth of production is asinine. We have seen what Love can do as a shooter and playmaker for years, his career isn't going to be defined by the first few games in a 2014-15 season. Those shots will soon start dropping, and honestly there are going to be games LeBron shoots 4-16 and we're carried by Love's 34 points, or Kyrie's game off and Love carries us. That's the beauty of having 3 players who, at any point, can be the best player on the floor: It's redundancy in the system, which should lead to more consistent success.

Thanks for clearing that up,
I was just pondering, I don't have specific cap numbers right now.
Isn't a team like the Cavs would be able to go over the cap limit? wasn't it done before?
Also, Would you take Marc gasol over K love and keep wiggins? (is that possible?)
If Lebron really wanted he could have signed a new contract on 2015 for few mil less :p
 
If Minny can get some wins, Wiggins might actually have a shot at ROY.
 
Thanks for clearing that up,
I was just pondering, I don't have specific cap numbers right now.
Isn't a team like the Cavs would be able to go over the cap limit? wasn't it done before?
Also, Would you take Marc gasol over K love and keep wiggins? (is that possible?)
If Lebron really wanted he could have signed a new contract on 2015 for few mil less :p

The only way a team can go over the cap is to re-sign it's own players. The Cavs will be over the cap next season because of Kyrie's contract increase, and they will be signing Love to a bigger deal as well. However, those contracts need to be decided upon before you can sign another team's free agents. That's why, to sign Love in the offseason, we would actually need to have the cap space to do so. By trading for him, we own his "Bird rights" and we can now sign him in excess of a traditional cap.

There were some convoluted scenarios which could have brought KLove in next season while keeping our core in place, but ultimately it would have relied on two things:
1. Another team not making a competitive offer for Love to Minnesota this season. (Unlikely)
2. Minnesota willing to help us for minimal return in a sign-and-trade. (Possible, but risky)

Also, keep in mind Love would have had other suitors. Now, you could still say that will be true this summer, but with one very important distinction: Because we own his bird rights, he'd have to leave money on the table to go elsewhere. So he could choose to stay in the East and compete for championships for the most money, or he can take less money to play for a different team. Simply put, we've managed to give ourselves significant leverage in locking a 25 year old top three PF up for the next 5 years.

Also, had we waited a year to sign Love in the offseason, we would have had to sacrifice a year of contention to hold on to a 19 year old phenom... the risk starts to outweigh the reward. We can daydream all day over "best possible scenarios," but our FO has managed to take a wealthy supply of assets and turn it into the best roster on paper in the NBA. We should have a highly competitive roster (potentially greatest in the NBA) for a minimum of the next 5 years, something that has never been true for a Cleveland Cavaliers squad.

Instead of squabbling in the traditional Cleveland "Yeah, but what if..." scenarios, it would be a better use to enjoy the product they have put on the floor, because it may end up being an historic roster. Just my opinion.
 
Wiggins played bad against the Mavs,
If he can't dominate on a fast paced game then it's bad.
Also for now he barely grabs any rebound and assists.. that's weird.
 
Look, Andrew Wiggins is a rookie and rookies aren't good at defense. But even though that point has been beaten to death there are those who continue to insist Wiggins would have been the Cavs best defender.

And yet, the Wolves just had about as bad of a two game stretch defensively that I've ever seen. 139 points given up to New Orleans followed up by 131 given up to Dallas. I'm wondering what the most points given up by a team is in two consecutive games in league history is, because that's the most I've ever seen.

EDIT: I meant to say modern history. I know that games used to be much higher scoring before the defensive revolution of the early 90s.
 
He reminds me so much of VC. Loves the mid range post game and the pull up jumper.

One concern I'd have about him if I was with the TWolves fans is that unlike Vince, he doesn't attack the basket with ferocity like a young VC. Still get goosebumps remembering VC during those early years. He's younger then VC then coming into the league so maybe it will develop: right now he's way too much in love with that pull up jumper. Need to use those young legs and start putting some people on a poster otherwise he's going to get labeled as soft.
 
He reminds me so much of VC. Loves the mid range post game and the pull up jumper.

One concern I'd have about him if I was with the TWolves fans is that unlike Vince, he doesn't attack the basket with ferocity like a young VC. Still get goosebumps remembering VC during those early years. He's younger then VC then coming into the league so maybe it will develop: right now he's way too much in love with that pull up jumper. Need to use those young legs and start putting some people on a poster otherwise he's going to get labeled as soft.

Their offense without Rubio is atrocious, He can't play without ball movement, there are not enogu pick and rolls and too many players are standing still.
it's also bad for Bennet.
 
Andrew Wiggins scored a career high 29 points, seemed smooth and had some nice defensive plays to boot.

Wiggins seems to be gaining more confidence. Despite the team being short-handed, dealing with injuries and being awful (thus easier to defend), he's starting to come out his shell more. Good player.

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l4fxde6z7s
 
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What was the line on Wiggins beating Love to 29 points? The highest point total from a rookie in the league so far, and he's only scratching the surface of his talent. That step back jumper is already pretty, he's explosive to the hole, and he's even starting to score off of post ups.

This trade is going to be painful until Love starts knocking down his perimeter shots.
 
Look, Andrew Wiggins is a rookie and rookies aren't good at defense. But even though that point has been beaten to death there are those who continue to insist Wiggins would have been the Cavs best defender.

And yet, the Wolves just had about as bad of a two game stretch defensively that I've ever seen. 139 points given up to New Orleans followed up by 131 given up to Dallas. I'm wondering what the most points given up by a team is in two consecutive games in league history is, because that's the most I've ever seen.

EDIT: I meant to say modern history. I know that games used to be much higher scoring before the defensive revolution of the early 90s.

You say a lot of stuff backing it up with stats pulled from box scores and such. I wouldn't say he would be our best defender, but he would be a very active defender. I wouldn't say he is a savvy defender, but I would say he is a very instinctual natural defender, who has a huge upside in that department. The guys is clearly going to be a defensive stud, and is already looking very good disrupting the offense and getting in passing lanes while staying in front of his man.

Looking at total points scored in 2 games and making a conclusion on a single player's defense has got to be one of the worst methods I have ever heard of. Is Love a better defender because we haven't given up 139? Gimme a break.
 

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