Andrew Wiggins

[Bob Loblaw]

That would be sad if ROY of the year has a PER below 10. Has that ever happened?

I just noticed his PER was down to 9.32. I looked up ROY winners and the worst I could find was Jason Kidd at 15.1, but I didn't look back too far. Right now Wiggins is sitting between Anthony Bennett's 6.9 and Kwame Brown's 11.2 in the list of worst PERs by a #1 pick in the last 25 years.

 

[Pioneer10]

I just noticed his PER was down to 9.32. I looked up ROY winners and the worst I could find was Jason Kidd at 15.1, but I didn't look back too far. Right now Wiggins is sitting between Anthony Bennett's 6.9 and Kwame Brown's 11.2 in the list of worst PERs by a #1 pick in the last 25 years.

His PER may get worse: 2-8 tonight for 5 points. Not sure what has happened, teams seems have to have scouted him out. Of course, that means he's going to explode against us

 

[TyGuy]

I just noticed his PER was down to 9.32. I looked up ROY winners and the worst I could find was Jason Kidd at 15.1, but I didn't look back too far. Right now Wiggins is sitting between Anthony Bennett's 6.9 and Kwame Brown's 11.2 in the list of worst PERs by a #1 pick in the last 25 years.

Mike Miller won it with a PER of 13.2. I'm not really a huge fan of PER though. It has it's uses because it shows big time production on a per minute basis, but it isn't this be all stat that people make it out to be.

Like, comparing players (especially role players) based on PER is just ludicrous. You certainly don't build a basketball team by stacking guys with awesome PER's.

In the case of Andrew Wiggins I would be absolutely shocked if he becomes a superstar. I guess it is possible that he could make an all star team or two, but the dream of him being the next big thing should probably be over.

I do think he could be a very valuable player to a really good team though if he is put in the correct role. I think he will be a pretty good defender, but he needs to learn to take more efficient shots. He has an extremely low b-ball IQ as far as i'm concerned. He is very predictable with that spin move, and will use it in a lot of circumstances where it doesn't make sense and the possession ends up in a turnover.

He also is a really poor rebounder and not really much of a playmaker, you combine that with his lack of scoring prowess and it is a recipe for an extremely shitty PER. @RchfldCavRaised compared Wiggins to a taller/longer Ben Mclemore. That is a pretty good comparison. Ben struggles with the exact same things, but has found a way to be a contributor by becoming a more efficient scorer/shooter. He also sports a pretty shit PER because he doesn't rebound or get a lot of assists and isn't a go to scorer.

I don't think Wiggins will be as good of a shooter as Ben, but he can certainly become a better defender, and a very passable shooter. He really needs to do better work on the glass though. His athleticism is not even close to being fully maximized.

 

[Pioneer10]

I agree with the weakness with PER: As a quick and dirty way to compare players particularly superstars it's passable. Certainly with a #1 pick you are expecting a guy who is going to be a star where PER becomes more useful. Not a guy with worse numbers then Mike Miller.

It's weird watching him: I feel he should be better then he is because he is so athletic

 

[Rich]

Before summer league I felt all 3 of the first three picks could be superstars. But after summer league doubt did creep into my mind about Wiggins reaching that level. I still think he has a chance, because he's got a ton of natural gifts, but not being able to adequately dribble a basketball for a wing player really limits their ceiling.

I think I can safely say I have no qualms about moving Wiggins and had we kept him I'd have been pretty upset we passed on Parker. Part of the Wiggins vs. Parker argument was that the gap between Wiggins and Parker on defense was greater than the gap between them on offense. And there were a lot of good statistics to back this up. But this was a good case of college stats not being very useful. From the opening tip of the NBA season you could see just how much more developed Parker's offensive game was. Way, way ahead of Wiggins.

 

[TyGuy]

I agree with the weakness with PER: As a quick and dirty way to compare players particularly superstars it's passable. Certainly with a #1 pick you are expecting a guy who is going to be a star where PER becomes more useful. Not a guy with worse numbers then Mike Miller.

It's weird watching him: I feel he should be better then he is because he is so athletic

Superstars always have great PER's because there is no such thing as a superstar that doesn't stuff the stat sheet. So yeah, it does a much better job at comparing superstars; particularly two stars that play the same position and have a similar role on the team. Role players I think it is next to useless though.

What is concerning about Wiggins is he barely ever applies his athletic gifts. Shawn Marion didn't have a ton of ball skills, but he used his athletic prowess to be a demon on the boards, in transition, and his off the ball cuts. His ball handling ability and his low ball iq are totally hindering his performance and potential. Those are two things players really struggle to improve on.

Andrew Wiggins should not be this shitty of a rebounder; particularly since he struggles in quite a few other aspects of the game.

 

[catfish]

I am about ready to given the final verdict on the trade as a W for the CAVS. Bennett basically stinks. Wiggins could be a superstar but at this point with each game that comes and goes it is becomining less and less likely. Lebron and Durant were stars right away. Some people like to point to Anthony Davis and say that he wasnt a star in his first year and then exploded on the scene last year. His rookie PER was 21.7. As much as people complain about Dion, Wiggins will never be able to beat his man off the dribble like Dion secondary to lack of handle and I think Dion is a better shooter than Wiggins. Maybe Twolves picked the wrong guy.

 

[TyGuy]

I am about ready to given the final verdict on the trade as a W for the CAVS. Bennett basically stinks. Wiggins could be a superstar but at this point with each game that comes and goes it is becomining less and less likely. Lebron and Durant were stars right away. Some people like to point to Anthony Davis and say that he wasnt a star in his first year and then exploded on the scene last year. His rookie PER was 21.7. As much as people complain about Dion, Wiggins will never be able to beat his man off the dribble like Dion secondary to lack of handle and I think Dion is a better shooter than Wiggins. Maybe Twolves picked the wrong guy.

Long term I would much rather have Wiggins in that starting two guard role. He is very content being a role player it seems. I think he will develop to be a very good defender and possibly a good shooter if someone can sit him down and explain where the best shots on the floor come from. We really needs length, athleticism, and shooting out of a starting two guard, and a guy that doesn't have delusions of grandeur.

Wiggins I think has potential to be an excellent player on a good team as a low usage offensive player that focuses on defense, making open shots, and moving without the ball.

 

[catfish]

Long term I would much rather have Wiggins in that starting two guard role. He is very content being a role player it seems. I think he will develop to be a very good defender and possibly a good shooter if someone can sit him down and explain where the best shots on the floor come from. We really needs length, athleticism, and shooting out of a starting two guard, and a guy that doesn't have delusions of grandeur.

Wiggins I think has potential to be an excellent player on a good team as a low usage offensive player that focuses on defense, making open shots, and moving without the ball.

How do you know he can make open shots and when does he move without the ball? The interesting thing is your telling us his upside is a 3 and D guy-basically a second rounder for the first pick in what Chad Ford was telling us for years was an historic draft.

 

[TyGuy]

How do you know he can make open shots and when does he move without the ball? The interesting thing is your telling us his upside is a 3 and D guy-basically a second rounder for the first pick in what Chad Ford was telling us for years was an historic draft.

Yeah, i'm not taking his draft position into consideration at all. I don't think he is anywhere near superstar material. His ball handling and IQ are hugely limiting factors. I think the form on his jump shot is pretty decent, but he needs to learn to take more threes rather than shitty long two's(which i think make up the bulk of his field goal attempts). Just because he isn't living up to his draft position doesn't mean he can't be a very useful player to a very good team.

 

[catfish]

Lets hope the CAVS drafted this guy because Minn told us to. Otherwise both franchises look like fools.

 

[catfish]

That being said Parker did have a bad knee injury in high school and the big guy is just an injury waiting to happen and he is a little light.

 

[crowned1]

Well, Cavs still can't pick 1st picks do they -_-
He's not doing anything on the court, he just disappears and basicly standing still, not cutting, no offball movement.
Maybe it's the Wolves offense? maybe he would have looked better with a more fluid offense?

 

[Hydroponic3385]

Well, Cavs still can't pick 1st picks do they -_-

1) Nice grammar
2) Yeah, Kyrie was a terrible pick

 

[crowned1]

1) Nice grammar
2) Yeah, Kyrie was a terrible pick

Thank you.
Kyrie was the only option.