Andrew Wiggins

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Unbelievable how everybody just buries their head in the sand and blindly smashes the disagree button with the data staring them straight in the face.

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[Cement]

So, if I'm the T-wolves, I'm pretty concerned that Wiggins is pretty much the same player with the same strengths and same holes in his game (and hell the same stats) as he was when he first entered the league (especially with that extension about to kick in). He's still primarily a great athlete, volume scorer, needs to improve his shot, drifts, and doesn't do anything else to help the team win.

It's pretty eerie how similar this season's stats are to his rookie year.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wiggian01.html

 

[OptimusPrime]

He's trying to be a superstar, and that's not what he was ever going to be. He doesn't have the handle or the vision for that. He should be focusing on playing great defense, running the floor, and hitting open catch and shoot jumpers. His natural athleticism will buy him a few buckets other ways, and by doing that, he could be a fringe all star. Of course, this is what I said before he was drafted too. But if he thinks he's going to be Kobe Bryant, then it probably won't be until he moves on to another team and is the clear third guy on a super team somewhere that he figures out he isn't.

 

[blommen]

The biggest disappointment for me about Wiggins is honestly still his defense. Coming out of college that was supposed to be his biggest strength, that he was going to be an instant defensive pressence on the floor, and it just. has. not. happened. He's a way better scorer than I imagined he would be but, as others have said, that is still not what you want from him, especially with a scorer like Towns on his team (who should have been a great defensive player by now as well).

 

[Rich]

For 3 years this was the right pick because the other two couldn't stay healthy. That still may end up being the case.

But god it would look so terrible right now to have chosen him with EMbiid out there.

 

[Cavatt]

For 3 years this was the right pick because the other two couldn't stay healthy. That still may end up being the case.

But god it would look so terrible right now to have chosen him with EMbiid out there.

Embiid not being healthy is just about the worst thing that happened to the Cavs. Anthony Bennet is the worst.

 

[OptimusPrime]

Embiid not being healthy is just about the worst thing that happened to the Cavs. Anthony Bennet is the worst.

If Embiid was healthy, I would like to think that the Cavs wouldn't have been stupid enough to trade him for Kevin Love. In which case, does LeBron even come back? If I get a healthy Embiid for 15 years, I don't know if I give a fuck if he does come back.

 

[Cavatt]

If Embiid was healthy, I would like to think that the Cavs wouldn't have been stupid enough to trade him for Kevin Love. In which case, does LeBron even come back? If I get a healthy Embiid for 15 years, I don't know if I give a fuck if he does come back.

Maybe you are right and maybe there is no championship. I dunno. I wanted Stephen Adams or Giannis for the #1 in 2013. Either one would have given us a major edge over GS. We could have drafted Drummond instead of Dion and traded him to Minnesota for Kevin too. If you could do a hindsight draft we would have the sickest team ever assembled.

 

[Pioneer10]

Maybe you are right and maybe there is no championship. I dunno. I wanted Stephen Adams or Giannis for the #1 in 2013. Either one would have given us a major edge over GS. We could have drafted Drummond instead of Dion and traded him to Minnesota for Kevin too. If you could do a hindsight draft we would have the sickest team ever assembled.

The thought of Giannis with Lebron especially Lebron w/ Korver jumper (Kebron? Jebron?) is like an instant orgasm.

That being said it would have been nice just to have Oladipo

 

[Pioneer10]

If Embiid was healthy, I would like to think that the Cavs wouldn't have been stupid enough to trade him for Kevin Love. In which case, does LeBron even come back? If I get a healthy Embiid for 15 years, I don't know if I give a fuck if he does come back.

A healthy Embiid when we already had Kyrie and it would have been an easy decision for Lebron to come back home. That's like going back to join a team with a young Isiah and a young Hakeem.

 

[TyGuy]

Checking back in. Yeah, Andrew Wiggins still stinks. We made out like bandits with that trade.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Checking back in. Yeah, Andrew Wiggins still stinks. We made out like bandits with that trade.

Trade value doesn't work that way Ty. We paid much more than it was needed for a potential rental it's not close. Wiggins was still a very very highly touted prospect and is still going by his "potential and physical tools" around the league when you consider the contract that he got was based on his potential and not his current production per se.

I know these are different times with GSW around, but look at what the 1 year all-stars/superstars rentals and disgruntled stars are going for around the league... All we had in mind was that championship run and we thought Kevin Love was going to be the missing piece, but he wasn't. We had to overpay for role players at the dead line in order to be considered top 2 with GSW and even so we were short of a championship because of untimely injuries.

 

[Cavatt]

Trade value doesn't work that way Ty. We paid much more than it was needed for a potential rental it's not close. Wiggins was still a very very highly touted prospect and is still going by his "potential and physical tools" around the league when you consider the contract that he got was based on his potential and not his current production per se.

I know these are different times with GSW around, but look at what the 1 year all-stars/superstars rentals and disgruntled stars are going for around the league... All we had in mind was that championship run and we thought Kevin Love was going to be the missing piece, but he wasn't. We had to overpay for role players at the dead line in order to be considered top 2 with GSW and even so we were short of a championship because of untimely injuries.

We should have gotten Dieng too or at least Young. I would have appreciated either.

 

[TyGuy]

Trade value doesn't work that way Ty. We paid much more than it was needed for a potential rental it's not close. Wiggins was still a very very highly touted prospect and is still going by his "potential and physical tools" around the league when you consider the contract that he got was based on his potential and not his current production per se.

I know these are different times with GSW around, but look at what the 1 year all-stars/superstars rentals and disgruntled stars are going for around the league... All we had in mind was that championship run and we thought Kevin Love was going to be the missing piece, but he wasn't. We had to overpay for role players at the dead line in order to be considered top 2 with GSW and even so we were short of a championship because of untimely injuries.

The guy was +15 in the most important cavs game ever that we won by 4 points. I'd say he was a missing piece because it sure as shit wasn't going to be Andrew making up that difference.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

The guy was +15 in a game we won by 4 points. I'd say he was a missing piece because it sure as shit wasn't going to be Andrew making up that difference.

How was he +15 in 2014-2015 ? I'm talking about the rush to acquire him going back to 2014-2015 off-season and that rush made us overpay just abit. FO thought our team was complete heading into the 2014-2015 and it clearly wasn't.
It's kinda weird thinking about it now... We had a lot of assets and we thought heading into the season with the BIG 3 surrounded by over the hill vets, no shooters, no defenders, no depth and with only one big man in Andy who wasn't a rim protector and injury prone. Even before he was injured we looked like shit.
I would have appreciated anoter asset coming in with Love to shore up some holes in the roster, or aquire players with the assets we had before heading into the season, or to just wait into the deadline with Love in mind.

FWIW, Wiggins consistently plays GSW like a damn superstar like how most atheltic wings/forwards do (see RJ and how he helped us against them)

It's revisionist history, but since you mentioned it, I just disagree with that notion and how we approached the all situation. We kinda got hosed in 2014-2015 by other teams because we were desperate and you just don't see it now by other teams because of the dominance of GSW.