Freddie Kitchens: vaguely employed

[Triple-S]

View: https://twitter.com/RyInCBus/status/1085955847988088834


This....explains a lot.

 

[AZ_]

I’ve never heard of defensive pass game coordinator. Sounds like a resume stuffer.

Yesterday you thought there were two run game coordinators.

Now you’ve learned enough to know it’s just a resume stuffer.

Your takes are almost criminally terrible.

 

[Sebastian]

Yesterday you thought there were two run game coordinators.

Now you’ve learned enough to know it’s just a resume stuffer.

Your takes are almost criminally terrible.

Hardly necessary.

Head Coach: Freddie Kitchens
Special Assistant to the Head Coach: Jody Wright

Offensive Coordinator: Todd Monken
Quarterbacks: Ryan Lindley
Running Backs/Run Game Coordinator: Stump Mitchell
Wide Receivers: Adam Henry
Tight Ends: John Lilly
Offensive Line/Associate Head Coach: James Campen
Assistant Offensive Line: TBD
Quality Control: Tyler Tettelton
Quality Control: Jim Dray

Defensive Coordinator: Steve Wilks
Defensive Line: Tosh Lupoi
Assistant Defensive Line: John Parrella
Linebackers/Defensive Run Game Coordinator: Al Holcomb
Secondary/Defensive Pass Game Coordinator: Joe Whitt Jr.
Senior Defensive Specialist: Chris Jones
Quality Control: TBD
Quality Control: TBD

Special Teams Coordinator: Mike Priefer
Assistant Special Teams: TBD

Great or Greatest Staff?

 

[FrontPageNews]

Yesterday you thought there were two run game coordinators.

Now you’ve learned enough to know it’s just a resume stuffer.

Your takes are almost criminally terrible.

Well when two people are hired to be run coordinators then yeah.

 

[CBBI]

Well when two people are hired to be run coordinators then yeah.

Ok look...

You’re getting confused/hung up on wording.

Stump Mitchell is the offensive run game coordinator.

Al Holcomb is the defensive run game coordinator.

Two completely different and separate roles that in no way overlap.

 

[FrontPageNews]

Ok look...

You’re getting confused/hung up on wording.

Stump Mitchell is the offensive run game coordinator.

Al Holcomb is the defensive run game coordinator.

Two completely different and separate roles that in no way overlap.

Yes but at the time when he was hired it was just announced as run game coordinator. It didn’t come out until later when they said defensive run game coordinator. Which is when I made my orignal comment about 2 run game coordinators. Which absolutely is nothing more than a resume stuffer. Just like AHC

 

[CBBI]

Yes but at the time when he was hired it was just announced as run game coordinator. It didn’t come out until later when they said defensive run game coordinator. Which is when I made my orignal comment about 2 run game coordinators. Which absolutely is nothing more than a resume stuffer. Just like AHC

I get that.

But at some point this becomes a common sense thing, right?

The guy who has worked his whole career on the defensive side of the ball would be the defensive run game coordinator and the guy who has worked his whole career on the offensive side of the ball would be the offensive run game coordinator, not that they would be working the same job?

 

[J_J]

Never would have thought Kitchens brought such a great staff. I feared it would be his weakness but it ended up being a strength to this franchise.

Such diverse, open-minded, intellectual staff.

Can September come soon enough?

 

[MoFlo]

View: https://twitter.com/jake_burns18/status/1086249297904107521?s=19

 

[AZ_]

Yes but at the time when he was hired it was just announced as run game coordinator. It didn’t come out until later when they said defensive run game coordinator. Which is when I made my orignal comment about 2 run game coordinators. Which absolutely is nothing more than a resume stuffer. Just like AHC

So you thought the Linebacker Coach was going to also be the offensive running game coordinator?

No, that’s much better, our mistake.

 

[Cavsfan1985]

The best part about this staff is it seems like a group that will work well together, and is a nice blend of pro and college experience. I feel like Kitchens really does want to learn and keep growing and this staff shows it. It is filled with a bunch of professionals and people who have an eye for detail. That’s what this team and organization needs. It also meshes with Dorsey and the belief you add talent through the draft and develop them. This team seems to be set up to cont to draft well, and develop our own players, and play the FA system the right way and no over pay.

It is just so fun to see the Browns make the right moves and finally be on the right track. If Baker stays healthy and keeps growing we finally might have got over the hump. So excited for the future for once.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

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This....explains a lot.

You know...Arians has a point.

A problem with how analytics are often applied is that something that is true for a group as a whole may not be true for each member of a group in every situation. Maybe league-wide analytics tell you that it makes sense to go for it on 4th and 2 from your own 39. But if your team happens to be a poor running team, you're playing a good run defense, and you've been getting stuffed all day, the "odds" maybe are not what the analytics say they are. Or maybe it's a day where the left side of your OL has been on a roll, the defense lost it's run-stuffing DT in the first quarter, and you think you can get that 2 yards even if the "analytics" tell you the odds are less than 50%. There are any number of variables specific to the teams at issue, the weather, the players, etc., that make what the analytics tell you of little use.

I think what Arians is saying if that you have to look at all those variables when making a decision, and while the analytics may be good for challenging general assumptions that are flawed, they may not be a lot of good in particular situations.

 

[Cassity14]

You know...Arians has a point.

A problem with how analytics are often applied is that something that is true for a group as a whole may not be true for each member of a group in every situation. Maybe league-wide analytics tell you that it makes sense to go for it on 4th and 2 from your own 39. But if your team happens to be a poor running team, you're playing a good run defense, and you've been getting stuffed all day, the "odds" maybe are not what the analytics say they are. Or maybe it's a day where the left side of your OL has been on a roll, the defense lost it's run-stuffing DT in the first quarter, and you think you can get that 2 yards even if the "analytics" tell you the odds are less than 50%. There are any number of variables specific to the teams at issue, the weather, the players, etc., that make what the analytics tell you of little use.

I think what Arians is saying if that you have to look at all those variables when making a decision, and while the analytics may be good for challenging general assumptions that are flawed, they may not be a lot of good in particular situations.

I get what you're saying.

I don't think having more information available and figuring out how to make use of it is ever a bad thing unless the person with the information is inept. For the sake of this discussion and because these are supposed to be the best football coaches in the world, I'm going to assume the person using the information isn't totally inept.

What I hear Arians saying is, "I don't know what that stuff is, how it works, or how to apply it to my practice."

Maybe I"m misunderstanding his point, but if that's what he's saying, I would view that as a major red flag. Why would you ever want less data available to you whether you regardless of how much of a factor it plays in each individual decision?

 

[Lee]

I get that.

But at some point this becomes a common sense thing, right?

The guy who has worked his whole career on the defensive side of the ball would be the defensive run game coordinator and the guy who has worked his whole career on the offensive side of the ball would be the offensive run game coordinator, not that they would be working the same job?

I have always wondered if a truly great offensive coach could be a truly great defensive coach too. I mean if you spend your whole career trying to beat defenses, you will learn what defenses are hard to beat. Belicheck is a great offensive coach, and does it because he was a great defensive coach and works hard on how to fool and beat those defenses. So while we have a ton of experienced defensive coaches.

I wonder what will happen with Freddie's all voices matter style will do to our defense. Will he be in those defensive meetings and throw an offense at them that beats the defense and we change up some based on that? Kind of like preparing a witness for trial with a mock testimony Q and A.

I know a bit off topic from your point, but the more I learn on how Freddie runs things, the more it makes sense how innovative you can be on both sides of the ball with that style.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

You know...Arians has a point.

A problem with how analytics are often applied is that something that is true for a group as a whole may not be true for each member of a group in every situation. Maybe league-wide analytics tell you that it makes sense to go for it on 4th and 2 from your own 39. But if your team happens to be a poor running team, you're playing a good run defense, and you've been getting stuffed all day, the "odds" maybe are not what the analytics say they are. Or maybe it's a day where the left side of your OL has been on a roll, the defense lost it's run-stuffing DT in the first quarter, and you think you can get that 2 yards even if the "analytics" tell you the odds are less than 50%. There are any number of variables specific to the teams at issue, the weather, the players, etc., that make what the analytics tell you of little use.

I think what Arians is saying if that you have to look at all those variables when making a decision, and while the analytics may be good for challenging general assumptions that are flawed, they may not be a lot of good in particular situations.

If there was only a mathematical system that crunched numbers to see if the strengths of your team match overall league trends for situational football that provided the optimal and most likely outcomes in those situations.