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Baron Davis and the amnesty clause.. Why?

Discussion in 'Cavs Talk' started by RTrees, Dec 1, 2011.

  1. RTrees

    RTrees Banned

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    I know this has been touched on in multiple different threads so it deserves to be addressed in one place..

    I can not understand why the Cavs would use the amnesty clause on Baron Davis when his talent and effect on a team (which we should all be witnesses to) make him legitimate trade bait.

    I still think the Lakers could use a boost in creators and a boost at the PG spot to get more out of everybody. Then the lockdown Mike Brown defense can attempt to get their multidimensional talent over the hump. If other teams need to be involved, so be it.

    He can help other teams too. I feel like the current Baron Davis would do more for the Knicks than does the current Chauncey Billups. Am I crazy?

    I assume we can at least get some late picks in some sort of swap. Maybe get a guy who expires sooner, which financially would be almost the equivalent of amnestying BD if the Cavs need to save money.

    What we have to gain from amnestying Baron is nothing more than saving money. Not our owner's biggest priority right now. I would say a higher priority for the Cavs is acquiring draft picks. So we if we're going to part with him at all, I'd hope the Cavs go the trade route.

    I'm also fine with him staying. It's basketball.
     
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  2. daddywags

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    A lot must have changed in just a few months if we've gone from a point where LA had to give us an unrestricted lottery pick to take Davis off their hands to where we can expect to get a pick or picks if we trade him elsewhere. Might happen, I suppose, but he might also turn back into the overweight malcontent he was just a short while ago, too.
     
  3. warddj86

    warddj86 I think I got my swagger back!!!

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    That's what we said when we heard he was coming....immature, unmotivated, unshapely.....he went out and beat the Knicks in the Garden, beat the Heat at the Q (which I went to courtesy of RCF, thanks btw) and overall, boosted the team to a halfway respectable finish in the season. You know what, what if he doesn't come back overweight? What if he is motivated to help Kyrie? What if he decides that Byron is right, and the best way to use Baron is to play him for/with Kyrie as a learning experience for our, hopefully, future All-Star PG?
     
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  4. Numbers Guy

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    He has 28 million over this season and next (assuming he picks up his PO) its easy to understand why one would want to rid themselves of this contract. However, if he has a good attitude.. no reason to amnesty him since we will not be getting any FA's of that caliber with the cap space he leaves us..
     
  5. Douglar

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    NBA pundits keep bringing up Baron because they are just looking for over played players on every team without really thinking it through.

    The only reason to use the amnesty clause is if you need cap space fast or you need to get out from under the luxury tax.

    I just don't see the Cavs needing to do either of those things in the next two years, unless they want to bid on other amnesty waived players this season. If that happens, they waive Jamison, not Baron.
     
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  6. Douglar

    Douglar Intentionally Grounded Staff Member Moderator

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    The Cavs would still have to pay most of that money if they amnesty waive him. And they would lose a tradable contract in the process.

    The only reason to do an amnesty waive is if it gets the team under the salary cap or out of luxury tax.

    If the Cavs need cap space this season, they would waive Jamison, and it would likely be after the trade deadline.
    On the outside chance that the Cavs need to get out of luxury tax next season, they might waive Baron, but once again it will likely be after the 2013 trade deadline.
     
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  7. RchfldCavRaised

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    It has to happen at the beginning of the respective season.

    I hope, if anyone, they amnesty Antawn Jamison
     
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  8. Douglar

    Douglar Intentionally Grounded Staff Member Moderator

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    Did not know that--
     
  9. chrisrich91

    chrisrich91 Rising Back Up

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    Really? Where'd you hear this?

    I was under the impression that you could do it anytime you wanted, as long as the contract was from before the lockout...
     
  10. MNCavsfan

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    The only reason I could see it happening is if we think we need it to stay out of luxury tax after using the TPE.
     
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  11. Dr. Gymbo

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    It did?

    I agree with you though. I'd rather hang on to him and save him as a trade chip and jettison Sessions instead. The only circumstance that I would use the amnesty at all would be if we had to take on another expensive contract via the TPE.
     
  12. sailfish

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    Agree with this.
    IF Baron is of the right mindset, as he was last year, then he is not only an asset on the court, but he is a tradeable asset going forward.

    There is no rush to use the amnesty this year. We could save it and use it to clear cap space in a year when we might try to be players in free agency.(Yeah, right)

    The only way I can see the Cavaliers using the amnesty on Davis this year is if they acquire another high priced player using the TPE. Otherwise, I think they save it.

    The TPE is unique because it gives us the ability to help another team clear cap space, if they want to sign a free agent, like Nene, Tyson Chandler, Caron Butler, David West, or DeAndre Jordan. Whether we use the TPE could have a direct impact on whether we use the amnesty on Baron Davis. Stay tuned...
     
  13. KI4MVP

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    There's really not much point in amnestying either of them (Davis or Jamison).

    The TPE being extended pretty much eliminates the need to amnesty davis because amnestying him now doesn't get us enough under the cap to go after any max free agents and the TPE basically works like cap space for trades. If we aren't letting him go to upgrade the team, we don't have the luxury tax to deal with, we have a way to make a trade without freeing up cap space, and we still have to pay most of his salary, why would we amnesty him.

    As for Jamison. It makes zero sense to amnesty him. Before the trade deadline he's a trade asset. After the trade deadline we've already paid most of his salary and he's' about to expire, so what's the point. And I think amnesty may make it easier to get something of value for Jamison since his contract expires. Another team who plans to amnesty a longer contract would give up assets to trade that contract for an expiring contract that they would then amnesty instead. Cutting a longer year contract to a 1 year contract that they then amnesty could save them $10-20 million. For example, if Utah wants to amnesty Al Jefferson, they could instead trade him for Jamison and then amnesty Jamison instead. That would save them at least $10 million.

    What seems to make sense (unless we go over the luxury tax) is to wait until next off season and then amnesty Davis. Depending on what happens this year, doing it then could put us well under the salary cap.

    Davis and Jamison are the two guys on our roster best suited to mentor our new draft picks.

    The only reasons I can see to use the amnesty this year is if we go over the luxury tax or if we need to get under the cap to go after a better player who was amnestied by another team.
     
  14. RchfldCavRaised

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    I thought teams could not amnesty players traded after the ratification of the new cba???

    Am I putting too much stock into twitter? I turned into a twitter stalker during the lockout, and now I seem to be a step ahead of the RCF board that I am used to learning from.

    (Looks around)

    Where am I, and what have you all done with Heath?
     
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  15. Believeland-OH

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    Yes, I am of the understanding that you can only use the amnesty provision on players who have signed a contract or were traded to your team on or before 12/09/11.

    Teams can use the amnesty throughout the new CBA but have to designate if they want to use it before the start of the perspective season, so we couldn't amnesty Baron Davis midseason.

    Then again nothing is final, but it sounds like this is how teams believe it will work as of now.
     
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