Baron Davis and the amnesty clause.. Why?

[JAY1977]

I would think losing the biggest trading chip on the roster for nothing and having to pay him would discourage the front office from pulling the trigger on the amnesty. Save it for another year if needed then if no trade can be made. My concern right now is the TPE and if we can use it prior to losing it yet again ( hopefully for a draft pick somehow like the proposed Hamilton trade last year ).

 

[MD13]

CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
Most likely amnesty cut: Baron Davis

How likely to use amnesty this season? Jump ball

Other amnesty candidate: Antawn Jamison

Analysis: The Cavs dumping Davis has been widely regarded as one of the inevitabilities of the second amnesty wave in NBA history. Especially since the Cavs landed Kyrie Irving with the No. 1 overall pick in June and still have Ramon Sessions on the roster ... with Davis owed $13.9 million this season and $12.25 million of his $14.8 million salary in 2012-13 guaranteed even if he's waived by June 30, 2012.

Yet sources close to the situation insist, even more loudly than they did in our first extended amnesty discussion a few weeks ago, that the decision to dump Davis and hand the keys to Irving on Day 1 isn't nearly as automatic as outsiders presume. Sources told ESPN.com that the Cavs have tried to engage teams in Davis trade talks in recent weeks, while coach Byron Scott privately clings to the hope that the Cavs keep Davis to move him to 2-guard and put him in the same backcourt as Irving.

Sources with knowledge of Davis' thinking maintain that owner Dan Gilbert's fears that Davis will join Miami if he was released through amnesty and went unclaimed in the subsequent waiver process are unfounded, because Davis prefers at least three destinations (Knicks, Lakers, and Bobcats in a Charlotte reunion with former coach Paul Silas) to South Beach. But the Cavs are known to have little interest in cap space -- aiming to stockpile trade assets and future draft picks instead -- and are thus exploring every other option with Davis apart from amnesty.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7300507/nba-updated-amnesty-candidates-every-team

 

[Gordon Bombay]

if we're amnestying davis because f'n ramon sessions is on the team, we need to re-evaluate where we're heading as a franchise. i'd rather use it on gibson if we're forced into using it right away

 

[RonG]

I see Jamison as the correct amesty canidate. That Davis contract will be a huge asset next year as an expiering contract.

 

[mrbeaks]

Sources with knowledge of Davis' thinking maintain that owner Dan Gilbert's fears that Davis will join Miami if he was released through amnesty and went unclaimed in the subsequent waiver process are unfounded, because Davis prefers at least three destinations (Knicks, Lakers, and Bobcats in a Charlotte reunion with former coach Paul Silas) to South Beach.

What a ludicrous sentence! Any sources with knowledge of Dan Gilbert's fears, ESPN? Aside from Leon Rose, Maverick Carter or William Wesley? (Not that I have a hard time believing that Gilbert is paranoid about the entire league flocking to Miami.)

If he's okay with hacking it out in Cleveland for another (albeit shortened) season, I'd love to see Baron run with Kyrie. It's a much better option than throwing a nineteen-year-old PG in with a bunch of unpolished rookies and ineffective veterans. It might cost us a top pick next year, but you've got to commit to the development of your #1 pick from this year, and his confidence could take a serious hit if he's expected to carry a hefty chunk of the scoring load when he's not ready. If it makes cap sense, amnesty Jamison.

 

[sailfish]

I see Jamison as the correct amesty canidate. That Davis contract will be a huge asset next year as an expiering contract.

This irony in your post is Jamison is an expiring contract this year, so, theoretically, his contract is more valuable than Davis'. From that standpoint, it makes little sense to amnesty a potentially valuable expiring contract.

 

[RonG]

This irony in your post is Jamison is an expiring contract this year, so, theoretically, his contract is more valuable than Davis'. From that standpoint, it makes little sense to amnesty a potentially valuable expiring contract.

The huge tax penalties are in effect next season correct? That is my point

"Teams pay $1 for every $1 their salary is above the luxury-tax threshold in 2011-12 and 2012-13. Starting in 2012-13, teams pay an incremental tax that increases with every $5 million above the tax threshold ($1.50, $1.75, $2.50, $3.25, etc.). Teams that are repeat offenders (paying tax at least four out of the past five seasons) have a tax that is higher still — $1 more at each increment ($2.50, $2.75, $3.50, $4.25, etc.)."

 

[Randolphkeys]

You have to remember what motivates the source of your information.

What motivates most national journalists to write about amnesty casualties? They want higher readership, not accuracy. Throw some big names out there in an article, and fans from 30 other teams will read and dream of a guard update.

Most fans of the Cavs have said all along that trying Baron at the 2 guard along with Irving is the best situation for this season. Baron, even in a part time role, makes young players around him better. As long as he stays on the light side of the force and doesn't publicly make demands and undermine the coaching staff (he has a bad habit of doing just that), Baron should have a place on the Cavs... at least temporarily.

 

[Bill Walton.]

CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
Most likely amnesty cut: Baron Davis

How likely to use amnesty this season? Jump ball

Other amnesty candidate: Antawn Jamison

Analysis: The Cavs dumping Davis has been widely regarded as one of the inevitabilities of the second amnesty wave in NBA history. Especially since the Cavs landed Kyrie Irving with the No. 1 overall pick in June and still have Ramon Sessions on the roster ... with Davis owed $13.9 million this season and $12.25 million of his $14.8 million salary in 2012-13 guaranteed even if he's waived by June 30, 2012.

Yet sources close to the situation insist, even more loudly than they did in our first extended amnesty discussion a few weeks ago, that the decision to dump Davis and hand the keys to Irving on Day 1 isn't nearly as automatic as outsiders presume. Sources told ESPN.com that the Cavs have tried to engage teams in Davis trade talks in recent weeks, while coach Byron Scott privately clings to the hope that the Cavs keep Davis to move him to 2-guard and put him in the same backcourt as Irving.

Sources with knowledge of Davis' thinking maintain that owner Dan Gilbert's fears that Davis will join Miami if he was released through amnesty and went unclaimed in the subsequent waiver process are unfounded, because Davis prefers at least three destinations (Knicks, Lakers, and Bobcats in a Charlotte reunion with former coach Paul Silas) to South Beach. But the Cavs are known to have little interest in cap space -- aiming to stockpile trade assets and future draft picks instead -- and are thus exploring every other option with Davis apart from amnesty.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7300507/nba-updated-amnesty-candidates-every-team

I love how Dan Gilbert's first thought is, about making sure Miami doesn't get help.. Now that's a rivalry

 

[ron harper 04]

i doubt we amnesty davis ..

i love the guy, that being said dont think for a moment that his knee is 100% healthy

baron is almost done with his nba career

 

[KI4MVP]

Yes, I am of the understanding that you can only use the amnesty provision on players who have signed a contract or were traded to your team on or before 12/09/11.

Teams can use the amnesty throughout the new CBA but have to designate if they want to use it before the start of the perspective season, so we couldn't amnesty Baron Davis midseason.

Then again nothing is final, but it sounds like this is how teams believe it will work as of now.

I missed the part about having to be on the team before the new CBA, I thought it was just having signed your contract before the new CBA. This along with the amnesty having to be used before the season starts both simplify the decision process. There simply doesn't appear to be much motivation to amnesty Davis this year aside from there being another player amnestied that we need to get under the cap to bid on.

 

[Phills14]

CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
Most likely amnesty cut: Baron Davis

How likely to use amnesty this season? Jump ball

Other amnesty candidate: Antawn Jamison

Analysis: The Cavs dumping Davis has been widely regarded as one of the inevitabilities of the second amnesty wave in NBA history. Especially since the Cavs landed Kyrie Irving with the No. 1 overall pick in June and still have Ramon Sessions on the roster ... with Davis owed $13.9 million this season and $12.25 million of his $14.8 million salary in 2012-13 guaranteed even if he's waived by June 30, 2012.

Yet sources close to the situation insist, even more loudly than they did in our first extended amnesty discussion a few weeks ago, that the decision to dump Davis and hand the keys to Irving on Day 1 isn't nearly as automatic as outsiders presume. Sources told ESPN.com that the Cavs have tried to engage teams in Davis trade talks in recent weeks, while coach Byron Scott privately clings to the hope that the Cavs keep Davis to move him to 2-guard and put him in the same backcourt as Irving.

Sources with knowledge of Davis' thinking maintain that owner Dan Gilbert's fears that Davis will join Miami if he was released through amnesty and went unclaimed in the subsequent waiver process are unfounded, because Davis prefers at least three destinations (Knicks, Lakers, and Bobcats in a Charlotte reunion with former coach Paul Silas) to South Beach. But the Cavs are known to have little interest in cap space -- aiming to stockpile trade assets and future draft picks instead -- and are thus exploring every other option with Davis apart from amnesty.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7300507/nba-updated-amnesty-candidates-every-team

Basically what ESPN is saying is: Baron makes a lot of money so he should be cut regardless of any other factors and Dan Gilbert is so childish and vindictive that he would rather pay $30 million dollars than allow Lebron to have a teammate that is 5 years past his prime. That's great 'journalism'

 

[MD13]

Basically what ESPN is saying is: Baron makes a lot of money so he should be cut regardless of any other factors and Dan Gilbert is so childish and vindictive that he would rather pay $30 million dollars than allow Lebron to have a teammate that is 5 years past his prime. That's great 'journalism'

Yeah, I don't really agree with most of Ford/Stein's take on it, but I do appreciate the last sentence:

But the Cavs are known to have little interest in cap space -- aiming to stockpile trade assets and future draft picks instead -- and are thus exploring every other option with Davis apart from amnesty.

Exactly what our front office needs to be doing right now imo. Now if we could just start looking for trades for andy as well...

 

[mofire]

Go ahead and go to Miami if we amnesty him he wouldn't fit with them because he is not a great shooter, and frankly the Heat need a pure shooter at the point guard position that can nock down the three consistently.

 

[sailfish]

The huge tax penalties are in effect next season correct? That is my point

No, the increased luxury tax goes into effect in two years, for the 2013-14 season.
Assuming a salary cap of $58 million, the Cavaliers are in good shape financially with our committed salaries:

2011-12: $55.5 million
2012-13: $31.2 million
2013-14: $9.1 million

There's no need to make a panic move with the amnesty this offseason, as we're projected to be below the salary cap & luxury tax threshold anyways.