Racial Tension in the U.S.

[KI4MVP]

But, the last sentence you stated; "Police brutality happens against all races," I think this is what is lost by many who don't really understand what "Black Lives Matters" means.

that sentence was going to be part of a larger post, I shortened it and forgot to take that out.

 

[gourimoko]

Merely pointing out how many rules they broke of their own and how badly they handled the situation. There was also no one in the Hawks organization for them to fire for the scouting report.

I get what you're saying Max... I don't blame Ferry at all for what happened.

Someone, in some organization somewhere, that will be left unnamed for the moment, someone there should've gotten the axe for writing down something so stupid - whether that person was publicly named or not.

As far as the Hawks go, yes, the handled the entire situation as horribly as you could imagine.

 

[spydy13]

I get what you're saying Max... I don't blame Ferry at all for what happened.

Someone, in some organization somewhere, that will be left unnamed for the moment, someone there should've gotten the axe for writing down something so stupid - whether that person was publicly named or not.

As far as the Hawks go, yes, the handled the entire situation as horribly as you could imagine.

I don't think he should have gotten fired, but he did deserve some heat, imo, for not vetting the report. I mean if he's n charge of presenting the owners with the information on who they should spend their money on then he should have at least read the shit that had been prepared for him.

A somewhat similar thing happened during the year when I was working at my high school. The diocese and conservative parents had pushed a speaker on the school that talked about the importance of chastity, which was met by students/faculty as "whatever" except for a pamphlet he had us pass out that promoted "pray away the gay" kinds of ideas. A group of gay students demanded an apology, which the principal did soon after. The person in charge of this event was the head of campus ministry, who had never read through the thing, caught quite a bit of heat and was eventually demoted to being just a teacher the following year. Despite not being the ones that said it handing out the materials gave a tacit level of approval, even though everyone hurt by the situation knew that the leadership didn't feel that way.

In my mind, that (in addition to the minority owner looking for any reason to get rid of Ferry) was why Ferry ended up taking the hit.

 

[AlohaCav]

That video is hard to watch.

 

[pr26]

Sadly this is going to end up being relevant in this thread. I lived in Chicago for a few years and consider it a second home, and this absolutely breaks my heart. Shot 16 times.....no doubt in my mind there will be some violence in the streets tonight, regardless of the charges.

 

[JSS2306]

Why walk toward police officers like that? You can't do that. That's an act of aggression and he was wailing his arms inside his hoody and his pants the entire time.

Each one of these cases has one thing in common: they are resisting arrest.

This is not a videogame and you cannot resist law enforcement. Get down on the ground and put your hands up and live to see another day. Nothing in the heat of the moment is worth losing your life because nobody knows you or your intentions.

 

[pr26]

Why walk toward police officers like that? You can't do that. That's an act of aggression and he was wailing his arms inside his hoody and his pants the entire time.

Each one of these cases has one thing in common: they are resisting arrest.

This is not a videogame and you cannot resist law enforcement. Get down on the ground and put your hands up and live to see another day. Nothing in the heat of the moment is worth losing your life because nobody knows you or your intentions.

1. He's clearly walking AWAY from the officer who shot him. Yes, he's not complying, but he's not "lunging".

2. If you think a human being deserves a 16 round execution because they simply resisted and didn't comply, I'd be happy to pack your bags and send you off North Korea or any other totalitarian police state where this is acceptable.

Edit:

3. I work near OSU campus and I work late most nights, so I see officers arresting resisting drunk/high college kids all the time. Do you think these white kids on campus are concerned about getting shot?

 

[Surge]

Yeah, he didn't deserve to get shot that many times. I always wondered why in a passive resistance like that they don't just kneecap a guy with a bean bag gun or rubber bullet.

But what do you do to get people to listen when a cop says to stop and put your hands up? I feel like MANY of these situations wouldn't escalate if people simply followed the polices commands.

 

[JSS2306]

1. He's clearly walking AWAY from the officer who shot him. Yes, he's not complying, but he's not "lunging".

2. If you think a human being deserves a 16 round execution because they simply resisted and didn't comply, I'd be happy to pack your bags and send you off North Korea or any other totalitarian police state where this is acceptable.

If I read one of the articles correctly the kid had a knife in his hand. I'm sorry you don't understand simple cause and effect.

People need to learn how to handle themselves in front of law enforcement. There's the proper way and then there's being armed and resisting which will inevitably get you shot almost every time.

I don't know the officer or why he shot so many times but I do know I saw an armed teen resisting arrest with body language that could be perceived as threatening. It's upsetting to see on video but we see it with both white and black members of society.

Just use a little common sense and avoid losing your life.

 

[gourimoko]

Yeah, he didn't deserve to get shot that many times. I always wondered why in a passive resistance like that they don't just kneecap a guy with a bean bag gun or rubber bullet.

Agreed.

But what do you do to get people to listen when a cop says to get stop and put your hands up? I feel like MANY of these situations wouldn't escalate if people simply followed the polices commands.

My understanding is that he was high on PCP.

Outside of that though, many of these instances are people who are actively breaking down, emotionally and mentally. They aren't thinking straight, and what's happening to them is beyond their ability to handle.

This is what happened in at least 3 different situations this year, including the young lady who committed suicide.

The point is that, police need to find ways to deescalate situations rather than simply resorting to maximum force 100% of the time. The additional point is that police need to be more mindful of race as a factor in prejudice, even among oneself. The guy who shot this assailant 16 times was apparently a known racist who had no problem wearing his views on his sleeve.

 

[David.]

^^ i see someone walking away, not towards.

anyways

no, the mobs like in the OP are not entirely representative. No, its not all black people getting more angry and building mobs under guise of movement towards police brutality, but there sure is alot of that happening.

we literally just watched a video of BLM members converge to fabricate witness reports 'that a few people who were probably on their own team and refused to take off their masks', turned into 'white supremacists who shouldnt have been there and should have let them continue to punch them, without protecting themselves, after being chased by literally, a mob.' Oh, and then 'kill and rape white babies' for good measure.

no, its not representative of the entire movement.

cops are not representative of all white people.


most, if not all but few, people who are very vocal in my day to day communicate some divisive things because they havent sat down and figured otu the exact language in a calculated fashion. That is one reason why I have a problem with the movement.


then the standard stuff like misrepresentation of facts being very, very largely used to support a claim (which simply damages its credibility. there is no arguing this) that further stir a brewing pot of acid and the behavior and actions that follow the claims are carried out in a particular fashion (less commonly, but still a more than decent amount).

I dont like cops that I have to interact with.


I also dont like my friends posting shit on their facebook insinuating my people are killing them for no reason. Like dude, I was with you on your birthday. Wtf.

 

[JSS2306]

The point is that, police need to find ways to deescalate situations rather than simply resorting to maximum force 100% of the time. The additional point is that police need to be more mindful of race as a factor in prejudice, even among oneself. The guy who shot this assailant 16 times was apparently a known racist who had no problem wearing his views on his sleeve.

Where's the link to this racism charge? Is it a reliable source or like one of those "he held his hands up and said don't shoot" sources?

It's also important to know the context of the shooting. Why were the police called? The police cruiser was pulling up on already parked police cars. How long did this stand off take? What was said? How many times was he warned?

It doesn't matter if you are walking away from police while armed. If you are considered a threat they can take you out for not cooperating. How many chances did he get before shots were fired? These are important questions to ask.

 

[gourimoko]

cops are not representative of all white people.

I dont like cops that I have to interact with.

I also dont like my friends posting shit on their facebook insinuating my people are killing them for no reason. Like dude, I was with you on your birthday. Wtf.

Dave, when did the grouping of "cop" become synonymous with the grouping of "white?"

I don't think the term "White" belongs anywhere in this conversation, whatsoever.

With respect to police brutality it's police vs everyone. With respect to BLM specifically, it's police+gov't vs blacks.

Nowhere in there is there the singular condition of White people. That's one of the reasons it's so confusing to me.

 

[pr26]

If I read one of the articles correctly the kid had a knife in his hand. I'm sorry you don't understand simple cause and effect.

People need to learn how to handle themselves in front of law enforcement. There's the proper way and then there's being armed and resisting which will inevitably get you shot almost every time.

I don't know the officer or why he shot so many times but I do know I saw an armed teen resisting arrest with body language that could be perceived as threatening. It's upsetting to see on video but we see it with both white and black members of society.

Just use a little common sense and avoid losing your life.

The bolded is a good question. We have a black teen with a knife who is clearly under the influence (PCP was something I heard batted around, not sure) who is walking away from officers who are ordering him to comply. Would a tazer work in this situation? If the officers thought his posture was agressive even though he was clearly walking away, why not a non-lethal shot to immobilize? Nope, instead we watch a person in position of power empty a clip into an immobilized body.....why do you think that happened?

Typically a kill shot is used for someone reaching for a gun, is that something we reasonably see from the video? If the policeman did their jobs correctly, why is the local Burger King coming out and saying that the Chicago PD officers deleted their security cam footage?

You don't know why he shot many times? I bet I could hazard a guess....

 

[JSS2306]

The bolded is a good question. We have a black teen with a knife who is clearly under the influence (PCP was something I heard batted around, not sure) who is walking away from officers who are ordering him to comply. Would a tazer work in this situation? If the officers thought his posture was agressive even though he was clearly walking away, why not a non-lethal shot to immobilize? Nope, instead we watch a person in position of power empty a clip into an immobilized body.....why do you think that happened?

Typically a kill shot is used for someone reaching for a gun, is that something we reasonably see from the video? If the policeman did their jobs correctly, why is the local Burger King coming out and saying that the Chicago PD officers deleted their security cam footage?

You don't know why he shot many times? I bet I could hazard a guess....

This man was on PCP and tasered twice and peppered sprayed to no effect. He was later detained but also not armed at the time of the incident.


Guns are used on almost any armed citizen (no matter if it's an ice pick, a knife, or any other weapon that could cause bodily harm or death) in the event they are a threat to themselves or those around them. I think being high on PCP and brandishing a knife fits that bill. I don't like that people are shot and it invokes emotion when seen on video but it's the way it is.