Brandon Weeden: GTFO!!

[JSS2306]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

Man... when I saw the Ravens deal Boldin I thought they were fucking insane.

They were.

Since I can remember following and rooting for this team I cannot think of a single wide out who was first string worthy. Josh Gordon may or may not be that receiver but I haven't seen enough on the field to even validate that yet. His off the field behavior is enough to have me worried. At least we made the attempt at Braylon but he ended up being garbage.

When you have a receiver who can go after a ball (whether it's thrown poorly or not) and make a play that is when you have talent. We don't even have a receiver who can get separation let alone go for jump balls. We have not had that in at least 10 years plus and a guy like Boldin can change the dynamic of a game. I think this year we are going to to finally come to terms with the truth and that truth is we don't have a lot of talent on the offensive side of the ball. We never have. Pat Shurmur is responsible for a shit ton of horrible game management decisions, not denying that, but he is not responsible for the entire offensive scheme. He probably saw what most coaches see in this offense, a lack of talent. The point is I can't completely admit that Weeden was ever set up to succeed. If you watched the game then you would know there was very little separation from their corners and our receiving core.

I dislike Weeden for a multitude of reasons but the very most important reason is that he is immobile and his entire mentality is finding an open reciever that he just doesn't have. He plays scared. Frankly, I don't think he has the accuracy to throw into double coverage and if someone isn't completely wide open then he simply can't make a proper decision. When I say he's immobile, I'm saying he's less mobile than perhaps any quarterback I've ever seen. He's literally playing street football predicated on his "big arm". His arm hasn't shown me a single time that he can throw accurately in a tight window on big plays. He gets picked. He's overthinking and if you're overthinking after 17 games then you are going to be continuously overthinking. If he was halfway mobile he would have avoided at least 3 of those sacks. This guy doesn't even roll out under pressure as he is too busy staring down some receiver who is being humped by CB's as soon as that ball is hiked.

Weeden is target practice for any defense in this league.

 

[Selby]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

You guys can argue stats all day long when trying to determine if Weeden is going to be our franchise QB. After watching last year and the game on Sunday, it is plain as day to me the guy just flat out doesn't have it.

 

[RealKingofCleve]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

Neither of these statements are entirely true.

I think the bottom line is there were bigger and better opportunities to be had for the Browns and for whatever reason they just didn't capitalize on them.

 

[godfather]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

I don't even really care about RG3 anymore. For all I know he'll always be hurt, and won't have much of career ahead of him either way. I don't even know why we bring him up. We could have had a lot of different QBs throughout the years, but 100 times out of 100 we always choose the wrong one. Take your pick, just last year alone Luck(couldn't have had), RG3 (might have been able to have), Wilson (could have had), and Tannenhill (could have had) are all way better than Weeden. I'm not even saying I like all those QB's mention, just that they all have one thing in common. They're BETTER than Weeden.

The Browns seem to purposely make a mockery out of the position. In fact, I don't think anyone could try do worse than what they have the last 20 years with that position.

 

[JSS2306]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

Neither of these statements are entirely true.

I disagree. If Chip felt like he had a modern day quarterback with some sort of receiving core that could implement his offense then he would have strongly considered the Browns job. Nobody wants to take a job under new management with limited resources. The fact is, he had other teams with better chips which could not only exploit his style of offense but could capitalize on it so that it would prolong his career in this league. He proved that this week.

You're completely foolish if you think otherwise.

He didn't not take this job because it's Cleveland. He's looking out for his future just as any player/coach would...

 

[Soda]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

I just love the hindsight 20/20.

 

[MalTalm]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

I disagree. If Chip felt like he had a modern day quarterback with some sort of receiving core that could implement his offense then he would have strongly considered the Browns job. Nobody wants to take a job under new management with limited resources. The fact is, he had other teams with better chips which could not only exploit his style of offense but could capitalize on it so that it would prolong his career in this league. He proved that this week.

You're completely foolish if you think otherwise.

He didn't not take this job because it's Cleveland. He's looking out for his future just as any player/coach would...

You remember this situation very differently than I do.

I remember Chip deciding to stay in Oregon, the Browns moved on to hire Chud, and then news leaked of the NCAA penalties coming down on Oregon, so Chip fled to Philly, the one place left he interviewed which still had a coaching vacancy.

Saying Kelly picked Philly over Cleveland is an impossible assumption to make, since that choice wasn't available when he made the leap.

 

[AZ_]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

I disagree. If Chip felt like he had a modern day quarterback with some sort of receiving core that could implement his offense then he would have strongly considered the Browns job. Nobody wants to take a job under new management with limited resources. The fact is, he had other teams with better chips which could not only exploit his style of offense but could capitalize on it so that it would prolong his career in this league. He proved that this week.

You're completely foolish if you think otherwise.

He didn't not take this job because it's Cleveland. He's looking out for his future just as any player/coach would...

Look, if he wanted a modern QB he could have went out and got Vick to play in Cleveland. He was a free agent and in no way tied to Philadelphia for the 2013 season.

If he didn't want new management and limited resources, he wouldn't have taken the Eagles job given their new management and finite cap space.

 

[JSS2306]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

You remember this situation very differently than I do.

I remember Chip deciding to stay in Oregon, the Browns moved on to hire Chud, and then news leaked of the NCAA penalties coming down on Oregon, so Chip fled to Philly, the one place left he interviewed which still had a coaching vacancy.

Saying Kelly picked Philly over Cleveland is an impossible assumption to make, since that choice wasn't available when he made the leap.

It wasn't available because he said no.

I remember Chip deciding to stay in Oregon, the Browns moved on to hire Chud, and then news leaked of the NCAA penalties coming down on Oregon, so Chip fled to Philly, the one place left he interviewed which still had a coaching vacancy.

So you're saying we passed on Chip Kelly after he decided to NOT be the head coach of the Browns or because we thought he wasn't the best person for the job?

Please. We jacked his penis off and he wouldn't make a commitment so we decided to be the offended and hired Chud instead because he stood us up. He interviewed with the Eagles right after we interviewed him and before we decided to hire Chud. He wouldn't commit. He was first choice and don't make me go back and find the 100 plus plain dealer articles that dealt with this exact situation. Don't be that guy. We obviously didn't exactly woe him to our side... to say the least.

http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/index.ssf/2013/01/chip_kelly_leaves_browns_looki.html

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/01/chip_kelly_was_too_big_a_gambl.html

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/01/cleveland_browns_joe_banner_in.html

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130102/chip-kelly-browns/

Revisionist history...

He denied us which is why Joe Banner labeled him, " too much of a gamble". Then we hired Chud... another coach with no NFL head coaching experience.

Ridiculous and if this regime in fact decided to not hire Chip for any reason they in fact look like complete assholes with no sense of direction according to last weeks games.

Horrible, awful, Weeden like decision made by our guys if that were even remotely true. It's lose lose any way you want to look at it.

 

[MalTalm]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

It wasn't available because he said no.




So you're saying we passed on Chip Kelly after he decided to NOT be the head coach of the Browns or because we thought he wasn't the best person for the job?

Please. We jacked his penis off and he wouldn't make a commitment so we decided to be the offended and hired Chud instead because he stood us up. He interviewed with the Eagles right after we interviewed him and before we decided to hire Chud. He wouldn't commit. He was first choice and don't make me go back and find the 100 plus plain dealer articles that dealt with this exact situation. Don't be that guy. We obviously didn't exactly woe him to our side... to say the least.

http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/index.ssf/2013/01/chip_kelly_leaves_browns_looki.html

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/01/chip_kelly_was_too_big_a_gambl.html

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/01/cleveland_browns_joe_banner_in.html

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130102/chip-kelly-browns/

Revisionist history...

He denied us which is why Joe Banner labeled him, " too much of a gamble". Then we hired Chud... another coach with no NFL head coaching experience.

Ridiculous and if this regime in fact decided to not hire Chip for any reason they in fact look like complete assholes with no sense of direction according to last weeks games.

Horrible, awful, Weeden like decision made by our guys if that were even remotely true. It's lose lose any way you want to look at it.

Revisionist history? You need to take a look back at that time line. After interviewing with the Browns and the Eagles, he said no to both teams, and returned to Oregon.

Jan 7 http://espn.go.com/college-football...ly-spurns-nfl-return-oregon-ducks-sources-say

The Browns then hire Chud, and we no longer have a coaching vacancy.

Jan 11 http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8833956/cleveland-browns-hire-rob-chudzinski-head-coach

Then Kelly does a 180 amid rumors of the NCAA infractions committee imposing penalties on Oregon

Jan 16 http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8849699/chip-kelly-bolts-oregon-ducks-coach-philadelphia-eagles

Had the Eagles filled their vacancy, and Cleveland sat on their hands, I'd bet there's a great chance Kelly's our coach. That's not how it played out, and instead Banner and Haslam were proactive about getting their HC locked up. 9 times out of 10, that's a much better way to go.

 

[Gimme Some Mo]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

FACT is, even if you support Brandon Weeden and don't put any blame on the guy at all.... He simply isn't a franchise QB. He is not a guy that can change a game and win it on his own. He isn't a guy that single-handedly makes you competitive in every game.... So what's the point? Why waste your time with someone like that when we are drafting in the top 8 every damn year?? Fix this already! TANKforTEDDY

 

[cdt]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

Absolutely I'm willing to go 2-14 to get Bridgewater. Enough is enough, no more 3rd or 4th best QB prospects that we always draft. No more journeyman on the last legs of their careers. No more guys that weren't good enough to start elsewhere. Just suck ass and get the god damn QB situation resolved. Like mentioned the Colts sucked and got Luck and will be fine for 13-16 years. They'll have had 2 QB's for approximately 25 years of football.

Think about that. Manning was there for about 13 or 14 years and that's about how long Luck figures to be there if he remains healthy as well. Insane to think we've had like 37 QB's roll through in 14 years. Just figure it out already and quit thrift shopping for these bargain basement great character can't get it done guys. Enough is enough, this team goes nowhere without a competent NFL QB to build around.

 

[MikeSobe]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

I just love the hindsight 20/20.

On this board it's still about 20/60.

 

[Phills14]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

Absolutely I'm willing to go 2-14 to get Bridgewater. Enough is enough, no more 3rd or 4th best QB prospects that we always draft. No more journeyman on the last legs of their careers. No more guys that weren't good enough to start elsewhere. Just suck ass and get the god damn QB situation resolved. Like mentioned the Colts sucked and got Luck and will be fine for 13-16 years. They'll have had 2 QB's for approximately 25 years of football.

Think about that. Manning was there for about 13 or 14 years and that's about how long Luck figures to be there if he remains healthy as well. Insane to think we've had like 37 QB's roll through in 14 years. Just figure it out already and quit thrift shopping for these bargain basement great character can't get it done guys. Enough is enough, this team goes nowhere without a competent NFL QB to build around.

I am here too. We need a bonafide franchise QB. We've swung and missed on Couch and settled for the best of what was left with Quinn and Weeden. Everyone else was a stop gap or a shot in the dark.

In very typical Browns fashion they will screw this up. The defense is really solid and Weeden is good enough to get the ball to Gordon and Richardson to win a few games. Jacksonville and Oakland are really bad and they clearly need QBs. It's going to be hard to finish worse than them IMO. I can really see the Browns getting the 3rd best QB in this draft (or worse).

 

[MGMT]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

Absolutely I'm willing to go 2-14 to get Bridgewater. Enough is enough, no more 3rd or 4th best QB prospects that we always draft. No more journeyman on the last legs of their careers. No more guys that weren't good enough to start elsewhere. Just suck ass and get the god damn QB situation resolved. Like mentioned the Colts sucked and got Luck and will be fine for 13-16 years. They'll have had 2 QB's for approximately 25 years of football.

Think about that. Manning was there for about 13 or 14 years and that's about how long Luck figures to be there if he remains healthy as well. Insane to think we've had like 37 QB's roll through in 14 years. Just figure it out already and quit thrift shopping for these bargain basement great character can't get it done guys. Enough is enough, this team goes nowhere without a competent NFL QB to build around.

Truth. This franchise is (or any for that matter) is worthless without an elite quarterback. Great/elite quarterbacks win superbowls not game managers. The days of Trent Dilfer being backed by a greatest defense of all time are over. We need a guy that can pick secondaries apart with his arm. Suck ass, get the quarterback, address the abortion of an interior offensive line and move forward. I'm absolutely sick of stop-gaps at the most important position in all of professional sports.