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if you want to use the "innocent until proven guilty" argument, who decides if he's innocent? certainly not joe, and not really any of his superiors either.

rape allegations are one of those things where you snap call the police no matter what. the official police, not your boss slash "state certified police chief." you can believe he's innocent, but that isn't something for you to decide, that's for the police to decide.

not following up or being more involved while the act continues to take place IS enabling.

he certainly isn't the only one who deserves blame. but he was the first person with authority that became aware of the situation and he didn't do what any human being with morals would do - alert the damn police.

a man is dying, he is losing his life to cancer, and there are people in this world, on this board that think he deserves it? for shame. there are very few people who you can make an argument for that deserve death, and joepa while having made a mistake does not even get close to entering the category of deserving death. you can argue all you want, but when push comes to shove joepa wasnt the one that was raping kids, and a whole lot of people are missing that right now.
saying you have no sympathy != saying he deserves it

hell, even saying you "hope the cunt rots" != saying he deserves it (tho it's obv closer, but this was only said by 1 person anyway)
 
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If you see a theft at work do you call the cops or report it to security... i believe you would call security or promptly find yourself without a job.

Joe reported the information and sent a witness directly to the university chief of police . Campus police are full fledged officers sworn to uphold the law.

The Penn State police force comprises 46 armed officers. According to state law, these have both the power and the duty "to prevent crime, investigate criminal acts … and carry the offender before the proper alderman, justice of the peace, magistrate or bail commissioner." The department's website further lists among its core values "Accountability—University Police employees accept responsibility for their decisions and for the foreseeable consequences of our actions and inaction, as well as setting an example for others."


In the Penn State case, the campus police investigated allegations of child sex abuse by Jerry Sandusky in 1998, but closed the case after a district attorney declined to press charges. Future child abuse allegations against Sandusky were never reported to the campus police

so to your argument Sanduskey was determined innocent by the district attorney and campus police for the first allegations

Representatives of Penn State's campus police and State College police said Wednesday they have no record of having received any report from a Penn State assistant football coach about his having witnessed an alleged rape of a boy by former coach Jerry Sandusky.

This is all on Gary Schultz hands not Joe Paterno. It was a Criminal matter not a football matter and if the Witness wasnt even filing a report whats the Onus on Joe who isnt even sure what happened. Schultz issued a campus ban on the individual but it was not enforced nor was his campus office taken away. Second mile organizations as aware of allegation but did nothing.

The Information that did come to Joe came to him as a government University employee who had a legal obligation to follow the procedures set forth by his employer.

Joe very well could of done things force the issue. contated outside sources but it could of very well backfired on him
 
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If you see a theft at work do you call the cops or report it to security... i believe you would call security or promptly find yourself without a job.

Joe reported the information and sent a witness directly to the university chief of police . Campus police are full fledged officers sworn to uphold the law.

The Penn State police force comprises 46 armed officers. According to state law, these have both the power and the duty "to prevent crime, investigate criminal acts … and carry the offender before the proper alderman, justice of the peace, magistrate or bail commissioner." The department's website further lists among its core values "Accountability—University Police employees accept responsibility for their decisions and for the foreseeable consequences of our actions and inaction, as well as setting an example for others."


In the Penn State case, the campus police investigated allegations of child sex abuse by Jerry Sandusky in 1998, but closed the case after a district attorney declined to press charges. Future child abuse allegations against Sandusky were never reported to the campus police

so to your argument Sanduskey was determined innocent by the district attorney and campus police for the first allegations

Representatives of Penn State's campus police and State College police said Wednesday they have no record of having received any report from a Penn State assistant football coach about his having witnessed an alleged rape of a boy by former coach Jerry Sandusky.

This is all on Gary Schultz hands not Joe Paterno. It was a Criminal matter not a football matter and if the Witness wasnt even filing a report whats the Onus on Joe who isnt even sure what happened. Schultz issued a campus ban on the individual but it was not enforced nor was his campus office taken away. Second mile organizations as aware of allegation but did nothing.

The Information that did come to Joe came to him as a government University employee who had a legal obligation to follow the procedures set forth by his employer.

Joe very well could of done things force the issue. contated outside sources but it could of very well backfired on him

There is a HR standard ( I forget what it is called) that they teach you in management classes that if you witness a sexual harrasment or are told about and notify your superiors and they do nothing that you can also get fired as well for not following up on the matter. It would be the same thing that if you knew about a crime and told someone else (who may be in on the crime) and they do nothing then you are also at fault and can lose your job as well.
 
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Don't bother arguing with Tornicade. He clearly doesn't understand basic human decency.
 
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I'm honestly not sure how I feel about this.

I most certainly feel bad for his wife, his children, and anybody else who is in his life that loved him & he loved. That's 100% certain.

But... for those of you who are so quick to say that "everybody makes mistakes", etc.. Just curious, how would you feel had it been your son, your brother, anybody close to you.. and you knew that he knew something was going on & did nothing about it? Before I get blasted, I realize he went to his superiors. However, as soon as he knew they did nothing about it (seeing as how Sandusky was still on his staff, I'm sure he would've heard had they done something), he should have immediately gone to the real police.

Just wondering how you guys would feel had Sandusky raped somebody close to you & you knew Paterno didn't go to the police & make sure they knew about it..

You're so quick to judge somebody's opinion, but don't think of it from all angles.

Yes, Sandusky is the real villain here, but by not reporting it to the proper authorities, Paterno is at fault too... no doubt about that.

Let's not act like his mistakes are normal mistakes that should be forgotten about.

Question: If Paterno didn't have his coaching legacy, and this happened, how would you feel then?

Of course, my opinion nor anybody's here matters, and he will be judged accordingly, but that's another conversation for another time.

As I said, I absolutely feel saddened for his family & anybody close, but in all honesty, I have no feelings either way of his impending passing. And I absolutely don't feel I'm a bad guy for that or that I should be judged for that.
 
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If it was my brother I would be wondering why the Man who witnessed it didnt file a policce report. and i probably wouldnt hold the middle man who did what he was supposed to as responsible.

I would be asking why the atorney general didnt file charges in 99. I would be asking second mile why they didnt shut down their owner and boss when they found out about it. I wold be asking the other two witnessses from another company didnt say anything when the police never came back on the door.


and i would appreciate Joe paternas cooperation and willingness to cooperate to help convict the slime that covered it all up
 
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ENabling? enabling? he went tot he campus police and reported it. He did what he was supposed to..

Pretty awkward time to be debating this topic.

But, you keep on repeating that line in bold print and I think it's 100% bullshit.

I guess Paterno did all he needed to do from a job requirement or rules standpoint at the time. But, he should clearly have done more. A child was raped. More children were raped because the witness, Paterno, Curley, Shultz and Spanier never called the police. This happened in 2002! We now know many more victims were raped after that fact....I'm positive that there are dozens more that will never be reported.

If I was Paterno, I would have speed dialed the office of my superiors, reported it, and said let's call the police to either A) clear our associate of 30 years name, or B) get him in custody. The #1 priority in that first 24 hours would have been to find that child and find out what happened! Instead, children continued to unecessarily get raped for YEARS. JoePa's responsibility doesn't stop at just saying he reported it. He's Joe Freaking Paterno...he IS PennState. This was HIS lockerroom and his assistant coach. He should have questioned his superiors and demanded the authorities get called. The witness was pretty clear that when he walked in he heard a slapping sound and sexual moaning from the showers, then he SAW this monster sodomizing what he thought was a 10 year old child. I don't know why the witness called his father and then contacted JoePa first...the witness screwed up too. They were all at fault here....JoPa included.

Paterno TESTIFIED TO A GRAND JURY that he was told Sandusky was doing something sexual to a child. Did JoPa do the legal minimum of what he was required to do...maybe. Personally I think Jopa was complicite. I think JoPa broke the law. You can't just wash your hands and say "I told my boss, that's all i was required to do". He was morally obligated to ask his fucking boss "Did you call the police? Did you locate the boy? Why the fuck not? We MUST find out who the child was from Sandusky, so we can clear Sandusky or arrest him. Call the authorities or I will."
Instead it was buried and dozens of more kids were raped due to JoPa's and other's inactions.

There's a massive difference between doing what you "are required to do" from an NCAA standpoint and what you SHOULD do as a human being. JoPa may get a pass on the first part, buy he failed miserably at the second with regards to this whole scandal. That's where JoPa really let me and many fans down.

I'm not going to piss on his grave, he did many incredible things throughout his career. But he did make an awful mistake. When he passes I'll say a quick prayer for him, his wife, his family and all the victims from this scandal.
 
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Question: If Paterno didn't have his coaching legacy, and this happened, how would you feel then?

I honestly believe that JoePa's coaching legacy is why the finger is pointed at him.

If this happened at any other college with any other Joe Schmo I don't think the coach would have been fired. This has little to do with the coach it self as Tornicade pointed out above.

The reason everyone latched onto JoePa is because he is the face of the university. You think Penn State, you think Joe Pa. Fair or unfair JoePa had to answer for these "crimes" he committed. Sandusky had much less of a media following than JoePa did during that time. That is sick and embarrassing to me as an American.

You insinuate that if JoePa didn't have his coaching legacy I would feel less sympathy for him? I am arguing that if he didn't have his coaching legacy, he wouldn't have been touched. A few questions here and there, and then the media goes towards the real problem... Those who investigated this and swept it under the rug. For instance, the Attorney fucking General.
 
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ESPN Cleveland @ESPNCleveland
Former Penn St. head coach Joe Paterno passed away Sunday morning. He was 85

ESPN @espn
Joe Paterno passes away at age 85 -> es.pn/zN4Wps

R.I.P
 
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ESPN Cleveland is reporting? Gotta be more credible news sources that will break this story instead of Buckeye Nation and ESPN Cleveland.

Edit: I stand corrected
http://espn.go.com/college-football...tany-lions-coach-dies-85-2-month-cancer-fight

Joe Paterno has died at the age of 85 after experiencing serious complications from lung-cancer treatment.

The health of Paterno, who had fought the disease for two months, had grown progressively worse after he recently broke his pelvis in a fall at his home in State College, Pa.

"It is with great sadness that we announce that Joe Paterno passed away earlier today," said a statement from Paterno's family, released Sunday, shortly after 10 a.m. ET. "His loss leaves a void in our lives that will never be filled.

"He died as he lived. He fought hard until the end, stayed positive, thought only of others and constantly reminded everyone of how blessed his life had been.

"His ambitions were far reaching, but he never believed he had to leave this Happy Valley to achieve them. He was a man devoted to his family, his university, his players and his community."Paterno died at State College's Mount Nittany Medical Center, where he had been undergoing treatment.

Paterno remained connected to a ventilator into Sunday, individuals close to Paterno's family told The Washington Post.

The newspaper reported the family had communicated to the hospital his wishes not to be kept alive through extreme artificial means.

Paterno's cancer diagnosis was revealed Nov. 18, nine days after he lost his Penn State head coaching job in the fallout of sexual abuse charges against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.

Jay Paterno, one of Paterno's sons, thanked fans for their support Saturday.

"I appreciate the support & prayers. Joe is continuing to fight," Jay Paterno wrote on his own Twitter account.

Paterno won two national championships and a Division I-record 409 games over 46 seasons at Penn State and the family has donated millions of dollars to the school.

But his legacy was clouded in the wake of a sexual abuse scandal that has resulted in 52 counts of child molestation against Sandusky. Paterno had announced his retirement early on Nov. 9, but the Penn State board of trustees fired him and university president Graham Spanier about 12 hours later. That day, Paterno called the scandal "one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more."

In his first public statements since the scandal broke, Paterno recently told The Washington Post that he did not know how to deal with the situation when he received a report from a graduate assistant that his former defensive coordinator was accused of abusing a boy in the showers.

"I didn't know exactly how to handle it and I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was," he told The Post in an extensive two-day interview at his home. "So I backed away and turned it over to some other people, people I thought would have a little more expertise than I did. It didn't work out that way."

Police on Saturday night barricaded off the block where Paterno lives, and a police car was stationed about 50 yards from his home. A light was on in the living room but there was no activity inside. No one was outside, other than reporters and photographers stationed there.

About 200 students and townspeople gathered in State College at a statue of Paterno just outside a gate at Beaver Stadium.

Some brought candles, while others held up their smart phones to take photos of the scene. The mood was somber, with no chanting or shouting.

Jay Paterno tweeted, "Drove by students at the Joe statue. Just told my Dad about all the love & support--inspiring him."
 
Re: Breaking: Joe Paterno is in serious condition

I'm honestly not sure how I feel about this.

I most certainly feel bad for his wife, his children, and anybody else who is in his life that loved him & he loved. That's 100% certain.

But... for those of you who are so quick to say that "everybody makes mistakes", etc.. Just curious, how would you feel had it been your son, your brother, anybody close to you.. and you knew that he knew something was going on & did nothing about it? Before I get blasted, I realize he went to his superiors. However, as soon as he knew they did nothing about it (seeing as how Sandusky was still on his staff, I'm sure he would've heard had they done something), he should have immediately gone to the real police.

Just wondering how you guys would feel had Sandusky raped somebody close to you & you knew Paterno didn't go to the police & make sure they knew about it..

You're so quick to judge somebody's opinion, but don't think of it from all angles.

Yes, Sandusky is the real villain here, but by not reporting it to the proper authorities, Paterno is at fault too... no doubt about that.

Let's not act like his mistakes are normal mistakes that should be forgotten about.

Question: If Paterno didn't have his coaching legacy, and this happened, how would you feel then?

Of course, my opinion nor anybody's here matters, and he will be judged accordingly, but that's another conversation for another time.

As I said, I absolutely feel saddened for his family & anybody close, but in all honesty, I have no feelings either way of his impending passing. And I absolutely don't feel I'm a bad guy for that or that I should be judged for that.


But he did...he reported it, which is the action public education employees are instructed to make in that situation.
 
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ESPN Cleveland is reporting? Gotta be more credible news sources that will break this story instead of Buckeye Nation and ESPN Cleveland.

Edit: I stand corrected
http://espn.go.com/college-football...tany-lions-coach-dies-85-2-month-cancer-fight

I was also going to say this as well...

Pete Thamel @PeteThamelNYT 45m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Joe Paterno's family announces his death: "It is with great sadness that we announce that Joe Paterno passed away earlier today."
Retweeted by Adam Schefter
 
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All of his wrong doings are not for us to decide he will have to answer for those now. A man has lost his life and there are people in hear more heartless then anything I have ever seen.
 
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If you see a theft at work do you call the cops or report it to security... i believe you would call security or promptly find yourself without a job.
you've gotta be kidding me.
But he did...he reported it, which is the action public education employees are instructed to make in that situation.
plz see:

There's a massive difference between doing what you "are required to do" from an NCAA standpoint and what you SHOULD do as a human being. JoPa may get a pass on the first part, buy he failed miserably at the second with regards to this whole scandal. That's where JoPa really let me and many fans down.

All of his wrong doings are not for us to decide he will have to answer for those now. A man has lost his life and there are people in hear more heartless then anything I have ever seen.
lol ya, definitely more heartless than covering up for a rapist.

i really don't understand the paterno apologists. he was a football coach. it's a fucking game. big deal. when it came time to prove his true responsibility and moral compass, he sat idle on the sidelines while children were raped. the freakish cult at penn state is one thing, but for random people to actually be defending him? come on.
 
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If I was a police officer at State College, I think I'd be pretty offended to see some people (it hasn't happened in just this thread) classifying me as less than "real" police. The officers at State College aren't rent-a-cops. They are full fledged officers of the law, bound by the same duties, and held to the same standards as any other officer within a municipality in the State of Pennsylvania.
 

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