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Brendan Haywood's Trade Exception

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How is his contract even allowed? It seems like putting in 10 mil fully unguaranteed on a crappy player is some sort of exploitative loophole that everyone would be doing.

I dont really follow or understand the salary cap stuff, but I just don't understand how something like this contract happens.
 
Are we 100% postive and confirmed that this large lump sum as a result of his amnesy/buyout is something that carries over to us and can be used in a trade that would benefit the receiving team cap relief wise next offseason? And if so, what about at this trade deadline or would his salary for trade purposes only by the 2 million at any point this season?

x2. Because Hoopshype is NEVER wrong. And I do not see it on their NBA Salary breakdown. It shows 2 million/2million/nothing

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/charlotte.htm
 
How is his contract even allowed? It seems like putting in 10 mil fully unguaranteed on a crappy player is some sort of exploitative loophole that everyone would be doing.

I dont really follow or understand the salary cap stuff, but I just don't understand how something like this contract happens.

We did it with Bynum. IMHO his contract was genius.
 
How is his contract even allowed? It seems like putting in 10 mil fully unguaranteed on a crappy player is some sort of exploitative loophole that everyone would be doing.

I dont really follow or understand the salary cap stuff, but I just don't understand how something like this contract happens.

Someone needs to research the rules of signing an amnestied player.

Edit: I looked up the rule. When you claim a player who was amnestied, your bid only covers the guaranteed years and you inherit the contract for non guaranteed years. So apparently his original contract had a non guarantee year. That got tacked back one when he was claimed. That's a pretty valuable piece. It lets a team over the cap actually be more valuable in a trade than a team with the equivalent amount of cap space.
 
How is his contract even allowed?

I believe it had something to do with a cross play between his previous contract and the Amnesty clause.

The amnesty only affected seasons with a full or partial guarantee. 2015-16 was completely non-guaranteed, so his old contract looked like this before Amnesty:
12-13 8,349,000
13-14 9,073,500
14-15 9,798,000
15-16 10,522,500 (no guarantee at all)

And then his contract looked like this after Charlotte won the amnesty claim:
12-13 1,886,312
13-14 2,050,000
14-15 2,213,688
15-16 10,522,500 (no guarantee at all)
 
Pretty much what everybody else has been saying around here:

http://www.thescore.com/nba/news/528214

It seemed like a pretty peripheral trade, one that wouldn't make much of a difference when the season got under way in 2014.

And it won't. Not much, anyway.

But the draft-night trade between the Charlotte Hornets and the Cleveland Cavaliers could be an important one for the future of both teams, thanks to the uniqueness of the two contracts that were exchanged.

In the deal, Cleveland sent Alonzo Gee to the Hornets for Brendan Haywood and the No. 45 overall pick, a pick the Cavaliers then used on Stanford forward Dwight Powell, who joins Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and Tristan Thompson as the fourth Canadian on the roster.

On the surface, this looked like the Hornets paying the Cavaliers the No. 45 pick to take on Haywood's $2.2 million cap hit for this season.

That's surely how the Hornets saw it. Gee as a fully non-guaranteed contract for 2014-15, meaning they can waive him and have effectively cleared Haywood's salary from their books. For a team that stands to have roughly $20 million in cap space, that extra wiggle room beneath the cap could be the difference between a second-tier free agent and a third tier one. For example, it could be the difference between landing Lance Stephenson or settling for Swaggy P.

The deal is much more important for the Cavs, however. Powell could be a nice player, but he alone probably wouldn't be worth absorbing Haywood for, especially considering the Cavs also hope to be free agent players.

Instead, it's the 2015-16 year on Haywood's contract that is the real asset Cleveland acquired. Due to the language of the collective bargaining agreement, when the Hornets put an Amnexty claim on Haywood after he was waived by the Dallas Mavericks, the Hornets had Haywood under contract at the amount of their bid (the $2.2 million figure), except for the final year on his deal.

Haywood has a 2015-16 salary on the books at $10.5 million, except it's entirely non-guaranteed. That means the Cavs could waive it without paying him a cent or losing any 2015 cap space, or, far more importantly, use him as what is essentially a giant trade exception. In short, they could use that $10.5 million contract for the purposes of salary matching in a trade next summer, and the team acquiring him could waive him without paying a dime.


That's an enormous asset to have in the warchest. It cost the Cavs some cap space in the interim, but it landed them Powell and gave them what should be a major weapon for adding a star next summer. It's a shrewd move by new general manager David Griffin.
 
Funny how none of our beat reporters mention this but a collaborative effort of RCF posters figured this out before media outlets even really caught on. Good work fellow RCFers...
 
I believe it had something to do with a cross play between his previous contract and the Amnesty clause.

The amnesty only affected seasons with a full or partial guarantee. 2015-16 was completely non-guaranteed, so his old contract looked like this before Amnesty:
12-13 8,349,000
13-14 9,073,500
14-15 9,798,000
15-16 10,522,500 (no guarantee at all)

And then his contract looked like this after Charlotte won the amnesty claim:
12-13 1,886,312
13-14 2,050,000
14-15 2,213,688
15-16 10,522,500 (no guarantee at all)

Your description matches Larry Coon (Q68 in http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm), who writes the following. My comments in parens:

"When a team (here: Charlotte) is awarded a player (Haywood) via a partial waiver claim, it pays the following portion of the player's salary:

* The amount of their bid, spread across all remaining guaranteed seasons of the player's contract (all seasons with any protection at all), in proportion to the total salary in each season (Charlotte bid around 2M/year for Haywood and paid it for two years)

* 100% of the player's salary in non-guaranteed seasons (In other words, $10M non-guaranteed for Haywood in 2015-2016)

--

MirORich: no local reporter has come out and confirmed the above, but the trade hasn't been made official yet and, well, our local reporters have other things to write about like Wiggins. I don't see any reason that Haywood's salary would count as anything other than 2M this season. I don't see any language in Coon that would change the contract specifications that Douglar listed for an amnestied player who is traded. Edit: looks like you found a good source in the meantime.

KeyzerSozee: none of the contract sites are 100% perfect, but sham sports is often better than hoopshype. there are some other good ones, too.
 
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So do we just hold onto Haywood until next summer or would he be appealing now?
 
Re: Brendan Haywood Traded to Cleveland

We don't really need to "gut the team."

Our core consists of Kyrie Irving, Andrew Wiggins, Dion Waiters, Anderson Varejao, and Anthony Bennett.

Five players.

To sign two ~$20M contracts, we'd need to part ways with only Varejao from that list.

Yes, there would be significant movement, but our core would remain intact. We'd lose Karasev, but we could potentially keep Zeller (I haven't gone over the numbers post-draft, as I'm not sure who is staying or what their salaries are guaranteed for). But prior to the draft, it was entirely possible to do this only "losing" Varejao, Jack, Tristan, and Karasev as players with guaranteed money for next season.

We've been trying to trade Andy for years. Jack and Thompson should be traded regardless of what we do later. Karasev would be nice to keep, but doing so brings us below $19M for each offer.

So I'm not in agreement with the premise of your argument. We wouldn't be gutting the team. We'd just be using all the assets we've acquired smartly, while keeping almost all the core pieces intact.
Removing depth is gutting the team. Keeping a sixth or seventh man doesn't count.

And then we get subjected to the whims of Melon or LeBron, who will sign shorter deals and use those as leverage the force changes THEY want.

The Cavs tried letting the inmates run the asylum when LeBron was last here. Griffin and Blatt clearly do not believe in that. What sense is there in going beck?

Build the right way and don't be tempted to sell your soul for fast returns, better known as the Enron way. Trying to clear space for two max deals is backwards. We've got space for a bigger signing IF that guy buys in. If not, keep the Griffin's plan and don't sell your soul.
 
So do we just hold onto Haywood until next summer or would he be appealing now?

His contract could be valuable to any other team like us who has a hard time getting prime free agents to come to their city and need to acquire talent via the trade market.

I could see it also having value for a team over the cap. They trade for him now at 2 million. Next summer, when they are maxed out and need to supplement their core, they have a 10 million dollar chip to package with non essential players and draft picks to acquire a large salaried player that can actually help them.

So I could see us holding on to him at minimal cap space hit this year to take advantage of the dynamic next summer, when we are over the cap but can pair his contract with a valuable young player(which we have tons of) and draft picks.

But, he could definitely get moved this summer too.

If we keep him, does he actually practice with us? Is there some sorts of inactive/stay away from the team list we can put him on?
 
If we keep him, does he actually practice with us? Is there some sorts of inactive/stay away from the team list we can put him on?

If we keep him, he would take up one of the 15 roster spots. So, that would be the cost of hanging on to his contract. Plenty of teams have found ways to ask or tell players (Bynum, Royce White, players recovering from injury) to spend time on their own. If he's healthy enough to practice, they could probably use him for that purpose if not more.
 
Re: Brendan Haywood Traded to Cleveland

I agree.. but if I had to keep either Karasev or Zeller, I'd probably keep Zeller.

Sadly, we don't even know what we have in Karasev because Mike Brown refuses to play rookies.
 

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