Brendan Haywood's Trade Exception

[supermario21]

I don't think New Orleans is going to be dumping Eric Gordon now without giving Alvin Gentry a year to see how things go. I expect them to make a big leap.

 

[supermario21]

Does Wade really kill flexibility if he comes here for a minimum or the mini MLE? You can add an infinite amount of players basically at the minimum, none of whom would be better than Wade.

 

[nikolajz1]

Wade kills flexibility for not much benefit. 33, busted up knees, big salary, needs controlled minutes, will need to give assets for him. Not what we need, extremely against it.

Regardless if Wade comes or not we have no flexibility for the next 5 years. Might as well get Lebron best friend who put up very solid numbers last season on the team. I mean all three of Wade, Kyrie, and Love can't be hurt at the same time next year. Lebron + one of those this season beats the Warriors.

 

[Randolphkeys]

New Orleans is definitely a team who will be looking to move a big contract to gain some roster flexibility. I'd say Gordon, Anderson or Evans could all be in the mix to get dumped for Haywood. It depends on what other assets are included and if other teams eyeing up a top free agent might offer. The Haywood trade chip shouldn't be used right away: A team will get desperate eventually.

 

[ajz20]

New Orleans is definitely a team who will be looking to move a big contract to gain some roster flexibility. I'd say Gordon, Anderson or Evans could all be in the mix to get dumped for Haywood. It depends on what other assets are included and if other teams eyeing up a top free agent might offer. The Haywood trade chip shouldn't be used right away: A team will get desperate eventually.

True, but he must be waived bu Aug 2 for the contract not to be gaurenteed so that would mean the end of the next month is as along as we can wait.

 

[spydy13]

Does Wade really kill flexibility if he comes here for a minimum or the mini MLE? You can add an infinite amount of players basically at the minimum, none of whom would be better than Wade.

Never coming here for either of those things. He would be traded for.

 

[Randolphkeys]

True, but he must be waived bu Aug 2 for the contract not to be gaurenteed so that would mean the end of the next month is as along as we can wait.

I'm 100% sure a trade happens before that, I'm just saying the Cavaliers have the luxury of waiting a week or two for offers to get better.

 

[TwoPistols]

What's the logic for Denver giving up Wilson Chandler? Are they actually blowing it up? They got rid of Mozgov because they were gifted two first round picks. They've got Gallinari coming back, Lawson, and Faried. I think they want to compete with that core and their upcoming youth. No sense in giving up a quality player like Chandler. Shaw was miserable and no one wanted to play for him. They are much better than last year's record indicates. Anyways...

This would be my near dream scenario. Acquire Wilson Chandler, MLE Mo Williams, and vet min. Matt Barnes. We need wing depth - guys who can defend and score. Chandler and Barnes both can do that. Mo gives you another scorer in the backcourt.

 

[RedBlackAttack]

You didn't want LeBron back here either if I recall correctly.

Never been a Wade "fan" but I can't deny he's a really good player and still is. I'd take him. EDIT: Keep in mind this will never actually occur.

I didn't want LeBron back initially, but that's a separate issue. Well, I guess not totally separate because it also plays into my not being a "win at all costs" guy. But, LeBron coming back was always going to happen. I just assumed it would occur later in his career, not after just four years apart and I thought Cavs fans were setting themselves up for a second heartbreak by begging him to return. I was wrong, obviously.

Wade playing in Cleveland? It just seems absurd.

Meanwhile, I just put this here...

Dwyane Wade's dad wearing a Cavs shirt while publicly speaking at a church.

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015...es-dad-is-wearing-a-cleveland-cavaliers-shirt


Ah-oh. lol

 

[kovanovich]

What's the logic for Denver giving up Wilson Chandler? Are they actually blowing it up? They got rid of Mozgov because they were gifted two first round picks. They've got Gallinari coming back, Lawson, and Faried. I think they want to compete with that core and their upcoming youth. No sense in giving up a quality player like Chandler. Shaw was miserable and no one wanted to play for him. They are much better than last year's record indicates. Anyways...

This would be my near dream scenario. Acquire Wilson Chandler, MLE Mo Williams, and vet min. Matt Barnes. We need wing depth - guys who can defend and score. Chandler and Barnes both can do that. Mo gives you another scorer in the backcourt.

I don't think anyone has given much of an answer as to why Denver would trade Wilson Chandler. I'm not really clear what their plan is.

I guess the thinking is Denver will draft a wing at 7, who would ultimately replace Chandler anyway. Then they would get to add pick 24.

The fact of the matter is that Chandler is a decent player but he doesn't really move the needle much. If they know now they aren't going to resign him, they may as well flip him for something of value. Admittedly, this sort of deal may be more attractive to Denver at the trade deadline once it's clear they are no longer in contention, but the Cavs need to trade Haywood by early August. Unless the Cavs dump him on a team with cap room to generate a trade exception, as someone suggested. Probably unlikely it plays out that way though.

Plus, the Cavs have shown they can execute a trade with Denver, and maybe that's part of the thinking.

@Randolphkeys -- I hope the Cavs don't panic and take the first decent offer they get for Haywood, but if the 24 pick is included in the deal, they pretty much have to have the deal negotiated before the draft. I mean, maybe if the Cavs take a conventional/orthodox pick (e.g. top remaining player on the Chad Ford big board), some teams won't much care who it is, but some will be pickier.

 

[Jordan]

Why does everyone assume Wade will sign for a cheap contract? The entire reason for him being in the discussion is Miami does not want to pay him the expensive contract he wants.

He is a great player, and I would take him for sure, but he sure as hell won't be coming cheap.

 

[HighRoller74]

Why does everyone assume Wade will sign for a cheap contract? The entire reason for him being in the discussion is Miami does not want to pay him the expensive contract he wants.

He is a great player, and I would take him for sure, but he sure as hell won't be coming cheap.

At this point, I think it's more feeling disrespected, than anything else.

We all agree he took a "wink, wink" deal with the Heat with the basic understanding that they'd do right by him. And now they seem to be backing away from doing right by him. I personally think he's using us for leverage, but at the same time, the Cavs are the 1 team I could see him coming here to take Less money, specifically as a FU to Riley and Ariason.

 

[spydy13]

I don't think anyone has given much of an answer as to why Denver would trade Wilson Chandler. I'm not really clear what their plan is.

I guess the thinking is Denver will draft a wing at 7, who would ultimately replace Chandler anyway. Then they would get to add pick 24.

The fact of the matter is that Chandler is a decent player but he doesn't really move the needle much. If they know now they aren't going to resign him, they may as well flip him for something of value. Admittedly, this sort of deal may be more attractive to Denver at the trade deadline once it's clear they are no longer in contention, but the Cavs need to trade Haywood by early August. Unless the Cavs dump him on a team with cap room to generate a trade exception, as someone suggested. Probably unlikely it plays out that way though.

Plus, the Cavs have shown they can execute a trade with Denver, and maybe that's part of the thinking.

@Randolphkeys -- I hope the Cavs don't panic and take the first decent offer they get for Haywood, but if the 24 pick is included in the deal, they pretty much have to have the deal negotiated before the draft. I mean, maybe if the Cavs take a conventional/orthodox pick (e.g. top remaining player on the Chad Ford big board), some teams won't much care who it is, but some will be pickier.

The thought is that actually want to rebuild, and will move the pieces they don't want to build around --reportedly everyone not named Gallo or Nurkic--- for the highest possible price. It started last year with Mozzy and Afflalo, and most expect it to continue with a new staff in town. Mike Malone has even said that he doesn't expect everyone to be back.

That being said, you're right that they will wait for the best possible deal. They would probably take salary relief for Faried since I think he will be the hardest to move, but both Chandler and Lawson are desirable players that could fetch more than we can offer (obviously we would have no interest in Lawson, but the point still stands).

 

[kovanovich]

The thought is that actually want to rebuild, and will move the pieces they don't want to build around --reportedly everyone not named Gallo or Nurkic--- for the highest possible price. It started last year with Mozzy and Afflalo, and most expect it to continue with a new staff in town. Mike Malone has even said that he doesn't expect everyone to be back.

That being said, you're right that they will wait for the best possible deal. They would probably take salary relief for Faried since I think he will be the hardest to move, but both Chandler and Lawson are desirable players that could fetch more than we can offer (obviously we would have no interest in Lawson, but the point still stands).

It's hard to predict the market that will emerge for a given player, but I tihnk the going rate for a player like Chander is a late first and an expiring. Cavs are doing one better by providing a non-guaranteed contract, plus Denver gets the pick immediately.

By comparison, last season Boston traded Jeff Green for expiring contracts and a first rounder that won't vest till 2018 at the earliest, plus even then it is protected.

My point was that it can be hard for a franchise to signal to its fanbase that it is giving up before the season even starts. Makes marketing the team harder. But at the February trade deadline next season it will be clear this Denver team can't make the playoffs, so trading Chandler at that point becomes much easier, politically speaking.

 

[spydy13]

It's hard to predict the market that will emerge for a given player, but I tihnk the going rate for a player like Chander is a late first and an expiring. Cavs are doing one better by providing a non-guaranteed contract, plus Denver gets the pick immediately.

By comparison, last season Boston traded Jeff Green for expiring contracts and a first rounder that won't vest till 2018 at the earliest, plus even then it is protected.

My point was that it can be hard for a franchise to signal to its fanbase that it is giving up before the season even starts. Makes marketing the team harder. But at the February trade deadline next season it will be clear this Denver team can't make the playoffs, so trading Chandler at that point becomes much easier, politically speaking.

Yeah, that's a fair point. I think they would also want to wait though to see if a team gets desperate like we did for Moz.