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IWantAKouki said:
Hijacking this thread...

Was thinking about getting a cheap Chromebook for web browsing, playing music, and remoting in to my work PC.

Would it be better to just buy a used laptop?
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I purchased my wife a Chromebook for christmas last year, mainly for web browsing and doing some work at home. For the most part she likes it but it doesn't use the android app store. It uses Chrome OS so it has it's own app store, which isn't very populated yet. She has to do a lot of PDF editing for her job and it really doesn't have a good program to accomplish this. I'm honestly unsure if you'd be able to remote into your PC at work or not.
 
Ren said:
I purchased my wife a Chromebook for christmas last year, mainly for web browsing and doing some work at home. For the most part she likes it but it doesn't use the android app store. It uses Chrome OS so it has it's own app store, which isn't very populated yet. She has to do a lot of PDF editing for her job and it really doesn't have a good program to accomplish this. I'm honestly unsure if you'd be able to remote into your PC at work or not.
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i believe it was just this week that Chrome OS can use android apps now

thanks for the mobo help too btw

im contemplating doing a new build around an i5 and use my current parts (ssd, gpu, ram etc) until i can afford a high end gpu and psu so i can crossfire eventually. just dickin around on PCPP for now, i dont game enough to necessitate an upgrade
 
Ok so im trying to install windows 7 onto this machine i just built and i keep getting different errors. Im installing from USB and im using the same Win7 file ive used on 4 different builds so i know its good.

i keep getting "the file or directory \windows\sysWOW64\as=SA is corrupt and unreadable. Please run the Chkdsk utility." except is usually a different file that is corrupt each time it fails. Im trying to install on a 1TB totally blank hard drive, maybe the HDD is just defective?

gonna try using ChkDsk now and see what happens
OK I can't use ChkDsk because windows isnt installed

edit- partitioned 100GB portion and gonna try installing to that, fingers crossed here
edit2- Ok the partition did the trick it looks like
 
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so now every time i boot this bastard i get a hard drive failure warning. mother fucker. now the computer is basically unresponsive on the desktop so i cant even mess with chkdsk or anything really...

its a Hitachi HUA721010KLA330 1TB 7200 RPM, i guess its a no-name brand (not hitachi so much as the model type) but its got great reviews on amazon.
 
got me a 2TB HDD, the program SteamMover is super legit. one click movement of games between drives
 
Well i went ahead with the order! fucking pumped. just need a new case to hold it (stupid me going microATX originally) and just gonna use my current gear in it until i get the 970 later.

according to PCPP, the regular price for the processor and mobo separately is $356 and i got em for $270..sweet!
 
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AuxiliaryPie said:
Well i went ahead with the order! fucking pumped. just need a new case to hold it (stupid me going microATX originally) and just gonna use my current gear in it until i get the 970 later.

according to PCPP, the regular price for the processor and mobo separately is $356 and i got em for $270..sweet!
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That is a pretty sweet deal on that mobo, cpu combo. Is new egg running a special on this? I feel like my i7 860 is getting long in the tooth, but it still keeps rocking. I really wish more cores was the norm. You can go for a 6 or 8 core processor, but you have to pay out of the ass.

It just feels like they haven't made significant progress on the desktop cpu market in the past 4 or so years.

Also, the geforce 970 is an amazing deal. I just don't know if the 980 is worth it when you consider the extreme value of the 970.
 
TyGuy said:
That is a pretty sweet deal on that mobo, cpu combo. Is new egg running a special on this? I feel like my i7 860 is getting long in the tooth, but it still keeps rocking. I really wish more cores was the norm. You can go for a 6 or 8 core processor, but you have to pay out of the ass.

It just feels like they haven't made significant progress on the desktop cpu market in the past 4 or so years.

Also, the geforce 970 is an amazing deal. I just don't know if the 980 is worth it when you consider the extreme value of the 970.
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TyGuy, your CPU is rock-solid.. No need to upgrade. You should look at finding bottlenecks in performance and improving those (SSD, RAID controller, GPU, fresh installation of Windows, etc).

There has been no improvements in the desktop market because we've reached the limits of our present technological capability. We can't get our CPUs to run much faster due to issues of cross-talk, thermal dissipation, and electromigration at such small scales. So instead, we've been trying, for the last several years, to instead change how programs are written. Instead of making applications run faster for a single task, we try to instead get programmers to think about parallelization; or, breaking up that task into multiple pieces that can be run concurrently.

The next major leap is with 3D chip design and optical wiring. GPUs can get much faster though, we've not even neared their limits. But our current CISC based architecture is in need of some advancement.
 
gourimoko said:
TyGuy, your CPU is rock-solid.. No need to upgrade. You should look at finding bottlenecks in performance and improving those (SSD, RAID controller, GPU, fresh installation of Windows, etc).

There has been no improvements in the desktop market because we've reached the limits of our present technological capability. We can't get our CPUs to run much faster due to issues of cross-talk, thermal dissipation, and electromigration at such small scales. So instead, we've been trying, for the last several years, to instead change how programs are written. Instead of making applications run faster for a single task, we try to instead get programmers to think about parallelization; or, breaking up that task into multiple pieces that can be run concurrently.

The next major leap is with 3D chip design and optical wiring. GPUs can get much faster though, we've not even neared their limits. But our current CISC based architecture is in need of some advancement.
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Yeah, I have been using a 256 gb ssd for almost two years now. I'm still rocking a GeForce 480 which is still quite powerful, but I have to hook it up to a nuclear power plant to get it working.

I was thinking about dropping a 970 in my machine, but I feel like games like bf4 I'm actually cpu limited in larger scale matches. Even though there hasn't been much improvement on the cpu front, that seems to be one of the very small instances where my cpu might be holding me back.

They are looking to correct cpu overhead through dx 12 and apparently they have done well with their dx 11 drivers as well. They seem to realize that cpu s aren't progressing as well as gpu s abd they need to find other ways to keep improving performance, like you said, through software.
 
TyGuy said:
Yeah, I have been using a 256 gb ssd for almost two years now. I'm still rocking a GeForce 480 which is still quite powerful, but I have to hook it up to a nuclear power plant to get it working.

I was thinking about dropping a 970 in my machine, but I feel like games like bf4 I'm actually cpu limited in larger scale matches. Even though there hasn't been much improvement on the cpu front, that seems to be one of the very small instances where my cpu might be holding me back.
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Is your CPU overclockable? I doubt you're cpu-bound in most instances given your chip. What is your CPU utilization in-game? Log it and report back. If it's over 50% with HT off that's an issue. If it's over 30% with HT on, then that's an issue as well.

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They are looking to correct cpu overhead through dx 12 and apparently they have done well with their dx 11 drivers as well. They seem to realize that cpu s aren't progressing as well as gpu s abd they need to find other ways to keep improving performance, like you said, through software.
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Fuck DirectX.
 
gourimoko said:
Is your CPU overclockable? I doubt you're cpu-bound in most instances given your chip. What is your CPU utilization in-game? Log it and report back. If it's over 50% with HT off that's an issue. If it's over 30% with HT on, then that's an issue as well.



Fuck DirectX.
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I over clocked my cpu to 3.5 ghz. That's about as far as I can push it with my heatsink. After that it required a decent amount more power, and my heatsink can't keep up.

I'll see about testing some instances, most games run amazingly well. Bf4 will drop around 30 ish on heavily populated servers on certain maps.

My gf s 3930 k system with a GeForce 660 runs a decent amount smoother. I tend to think that her hexacore chip is the difference maker, and not as much the GeForce 660.

I'll see if I can run an overlay, and see what it is telling me as far as gpu and cpu usage is concerned.

As far as your dx comment, well, I would run open gl in my games if I was given the option.
 
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according to HWCompare, the 970 is 46% faster and 150% better at AA than my 7850 lol

my body is ready

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($235.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.98 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($85.24 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.92 @ Amazon)
Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($77.09 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB ACX Video Card ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair Graphite Series 230T Grey ATX Mid Tower Case ($53.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1102.19
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-27 11:53 EDT-0400
 
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